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The article was promoted 21:24, 28 April 2007.

Climate of India[edit]

Peer review

This is how I found the article last month; it was moth-eaten, since unreverted vandals had been randomly removing references and words. Thanks to some great feedback by Dwaipayanc and Nichalp, it's been repaired and expanded. All comments on things like prose, regional balance, comprehensiveness, etc. welcome. Saravask 02:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Despite its position within a high-latitude belt at 55–75° S (as opposed to its current position between 5 and 35° N), latitudes now occupied by such places as Greenland and parts of the Antarctic Peninsula, it likely experienced a humid temperate climate with warm, frost-free weather, though with well-defined seasons. This sentence is tough to understand at one go. Can it be modified? The "it" - what does it stand for? India or Pangaea?
  • four major climatic groupings predominate, into which fall seven climatic zones.... But the image India climatic zone map shows six zones.
  • However, once the dry northeast monsoon begins in September, most precipitation falls in Tamil Nadu..'. Is the norteast monsoon called "dry"? AFAIK, the northeast monsoon passes through only some parts of India (eg Tamil Nadu) and brings rain from the Bay of Bengal. The rest of India does not receive the norteast monsoon, and that's why remains dry during the winter months.

More comments later. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for the comments.
  1. "[I]t" is India.
  2. I know the answer, since I traced that map. The original map merged the "semi-arid steppe" and "semi-arid" regions; meanwhile, they kept "arid" separate. The seven-zone classification is sourced from the LOC.
  3. It's a common misconception that all monsoons must be humid monsoons. It's also mistakenly though that all monsoons must be noticeable. All the maps I've seen (including this one) show the NE monsoon winds advancing towards all of India. Page 118 of Caviedes 2001 has an even better map that shows the NE monsoon wind arrows placed throughout India. It goes on to state on page 120 that "[a] fundamental distinction exists between summertime sea-to-land airflows that are humid monsoons, and monsoonlike flows that are dry."
Hope these help. Saravask 19:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's on the way, but needs a full copy-edit by someone who's unfamiliar with the text. Some turns of phrase can be rationalised. I presume it's in BrEng, not AmEng (watch "kilometER", etc). I've done the lead. Tony 23:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the warning. I've added {{copyedit}} to the article, which will hopefully rustle up some volunteers. Meanwhile, I'll see what I can do by removing redundant words and editing out my usage of American spelling and idioms. Saravask 23:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, I think the tag won't do anything (might antagonise reviewers here, though). Best to approach WPians individually; research the edit-history pages of related articles (esp. FAs) to find people who've done good work. Show them you're familiar with their work. In any case, this is worth doing to build a collaborative network for future nominations. Tony 01:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The top is image heavy. I suggest removing Uttaranchal, haystacks, one of the two images in =tropical dry=. The Haji Ali image does not add much meaningful value either. Will support once copyediting issues are resolved. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Object. TN (and most of south India by extension) gets most of the rainfall through NE monsoon. The north gets most of the rainfall from the SW monsoon. This disjoint weather system is one of the reasons why India is called a subcontinent. The article however gives a different impression with incorrect self-generated maps. You can verify this with any second-hand geography primer textbook. By the way, where are the Spring and Autumn seasons?
No mention about tsunami and the dramatic effect of sea (rather than hills and deserts) on climate. 3% share of world is not quite a vast coal reserve, is it? Acid rain in India is certainly original research. Thar Desert plays a role in attracting moisture-laden southwest summer monsoon winds - this if true must be a wonder of the world as it defies meteorological science. Deserts are the effects of climate change, not the causes. Indian agriculture does not quite depend on monsoons anymore despite rhetoric thanks to irrigation. Also on a lighter note, it would be nice to add a paragraph about the yet-unexplored surface tension phenomenon that made elephant idols appear to drink milk nationwide!

Anwar 18:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- A map with the NE Monsoon wind patterns could help here. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on the object by Anwar — "This disjoint weather system is one of the reasons why India is called a subcontinent." — this needs reference. Acid rain in India — please put citation needed tags if you feel necessary. The Thar dessert sentence has adequate inline citation. That Indian economy (and agriculture) is very much dependent on monsoon is evident in several sources, like this, this, this and BLACKLISTED LINK REMOVED. "elephant idols appear to drink milk nationwide"— I don't know much about this, but don't think it was a climatological phenomenon. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Further reply to Anwar's object— That the coal reserve is indeed vast has been referenced now. India has the fourth-largest coal reserves in the world.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on the object by Anwar''. Tsunami is nothing to do with climate conditions. North east monsoon has been incorporated now in the article. However his comments about significance of Thar desert to India's climate seems to be valid. That sentence seems to have been written based on references in some old books about Thar desert's role in India's monsoon. Reliable sources about Indian monsoon does not attach any significance to Thar desert.[1]

[2][3][4] Few months back,I raised this point in India article. --Indianstar 06:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support the Photos on this page a Amazing, Good Work on giving this page new life after it had become "moth-eaten" lol Max 06:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Good work and another POINT violation by Anwar. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Under "Sutropical humid", "Winter rainfall—and occasionally snowfall—is associated with..." Does subtropical humid region gets snowfall?--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support- Article is comprehensive. Pictures are wonderful. Article can mention more about North East Monsoon which brings rainfall to Tamilnadu, Andhra, Orissa and West Bengal [5]. Himalayan glaciers retreat causes flooding in Ganges,Indus and Brahmaputra[6] [7] whereas article mentions only about Brahmaputra.--Indianstar 03:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Thanks for the references. The northeast monsoon coverage has been updated. The effect of Himalayan glacier retreat on Indian major rivers has also been updated. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support • A great comprehensive and illustrated article.--Wolf talk | हिन्दी | বাংলা 15:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A great article, with 87 references it's validity cannot be questioned. Mayank Abhishek 07:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Well done--Blacksun 09:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The pictures, graphs and amount of refrences are top-notch! A pretty deserving article. Felixboy 12:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support; an excellent article, although I'm not sure whether Image:Hajiali.jpg really helps the article; it is so obviously edited, and further more, I can't tell whether the sky actually is clear (the image shows very obvious artifacts in the sky which resemble clouds. Why not use this Indian sunset instead? Laïka 11:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Thanks for the suggestion. The image has been replaced. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Excellent work by Saravask. The maps are perfect, referenced, and among the best works in Wikipedia. The statistics section nicely portray numerical difference between the climate of the various sectors of the vast country. Seems to be comprehensive. The FAC helped improve whatever deficiency the article had. Language may not be brilliant, but pretty well written. Uses reliable sources and is verifiable. Complies with Manual of style. So, an emphatic support. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, excellent and in-depth information is disseminated in a very accessible manner. My only gripe - the images are way too good. I kept sifting through them rather than reading the article :P --soum (0_o) 07:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support- Umhhh... No problem with the content and citation but the page needs to be properly wikified. Sushant gupta 11:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article has followed WP:MoS. Could you please specify where the article needs wikification?--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support-Nice photos, maps, and properly cited text and covering all the essential topics, this article has all the components of becoming a FA. Amartyabag TALK2ME 10:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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