Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Defense of the Ancients/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 15:06, 14 August 2007.

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Defense of the Ancients

This was until a week or so ago an incredibly crufty article, but after merging it and DotA Allstars together I think it's a solid article. The GA reviewer didn't leave any further suggestions upon passing, so no doubt there will be some things I will have to fix, so note them and I will jump on it. David Fuchs ^(talk) 20:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose, because none of the references are to reliable sources. It may be that nothing resembling a reliable source has ever commented on this very minor piece of gaming culture, in which case (with no reflection on the people who have worked on the article) it should never become an FA. The Land 21:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. Various problems:
  • "The original Defense of the Ancients map was not incredibly popular" -- incredibly popular is vague
  • "making the map open" -- should have a link to open source somewhere here
  • "controls a single hero" -- hero should be capitalized here, as it is a unit, correct?
  • "traditional Real-time strategy games" -> "traditional real-time strategy games"
  • "DotA experienced a slow buildup of popularity over time, especially with the release of Allstars" -- is this sourced? What does this even mean?
  • "some cases replaced Counter-strike" -> "some cases replaced Counter-Strike"
  • The article states that DotA Allstars is the most popular variation, but the sourced reference for this is weak ("is arguably the most popular") and doesn't seem to say how they came to this conclusion. --- RockMFR 20:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the grammar errors and removed the weasel words. As for the popularity of Allstars, there's no good source that states it, although it is true (on US Battle.net servers, it is literally the only version of DotA played.); instead, a rewrote it with a bit that is supported by the sources in the last section. David Fuchs ^(talk) 19:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose I would like to see a longer article. Maybe the history can be longer or a new section can be added. Also I'm a little concerned about the lack of external links and references. -ScotchMB 02:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Expanding the history, frankly, isn't an option. There aren't any good sources , especially before allstars, because back then it was just a custom map like any other. As for external links, there were international dota leagues, other stuff like that, however I chucked all but the official sites since the others were linkspam or fan sites. What more would you want in the external? Unfortunately, its not like answers.com or some other resource exists for DotA info, which is why adding to the article was hard: most places just copied Wikipedia's info. David Fuchs ^(talk) 18:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.