Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Everything That Happens Will Happen Today/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 14:25, 23 September 2010 [1].

Everything That Happens Will Happen Today[edit]

Nominator(s): —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I put a lot of work into it and it appears to pass all FAC criteria and is consistent with other featured album articles. This article has been GA for over a year and any changes that would be made to it at this point would be relatively minor. I will watch this discussion and make any necessary changes. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—There is a redirect linked that points back to this article, One Fine Day; ~~and a dead external link to http://www.peterchilvers.com/news.php .~~ Ucucha 19:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done I removed the link (it wasn't strictly necessary as a source anyway) and the redirect is from two templates, not the article itself. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Then please fix the templates. Ucucha 19:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I did it. Ucucha 22:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Media licensing review:
- File:David Byrne and Brian Eno - Everything That Happens Will Happen Today deluxe.jpg fails WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8 as multiple non-free images of the album are used where one would suffice and the image is decorative — its removal would not affect readers' understanding of the article.
  - Not done This is an alternate cover which is significantly different from the standard one and whose differences cannot be explained simply with words, consequently, it has a rationale for use and is actually demanded per WP:ALBUM. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - For what it's worth, I agree. Unless the appearance of the alternative cover is in some way significant, it should not be used- even more so in this case, when all the image seems to serve to illustrate is how much you get, which could easily be replaced with text. J Milburn (talk) 13:10, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - WP:ALBUM, a WikiProject, yields to WP:NFCC, a policy. Please explain how readers' understanding of the article is augmented by the image. Stifle (talk) 11:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Purpose Although it does illustrate what you get, it also serves the purpose of showing how this alternate version of the album expands on the suburban design of the album art, which is discussed in the article's body as well. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        DNFCC DNFCC was declined —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- File:David Byrne and Brian Eno - Life Is Long.ogg and File:David Byrne and Brian Eno - Strange Overtones.ogg cannot both be used per WP:NFCC#3a; one must be removed.
  - Not done The two audio samples explain different aspects of the album: one is about lyrical themes of humanity versus technology, the other demonstrates the Gospel influence on the album. There are presently 75 FA-Class Album articles and 35 of them have two or more audio samples because these samples are uniquely relevant to explanations that text alone cannot give: 1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?), Achtung Baby, Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire), Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Body Count (album), By the Way, Californication (album), Christ Illusion, The Dark Side of the Moon, Diorama (album), Disintegration (The Cure album), Dookie, Doolittle (album), Dream Days at the Hotel Existence, Freak Out!, In Rainbows, In Utero (album), Internationalist (album), Kid A, Lions (album), Love. Angel. Music. Baby., Loveless (album), Mother's Milk, No Line on the Horizon, Odyssey Number Five, One Hot Minute, Rock Steady (album), Rumours, The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman, Slay Tracks (1933–1969), Spiderland, Supernature (Goldfrapp album), Surfer Rosa, Thriller (album), and Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd album). The most recent featured album article (as far as I'm aware)--Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/No Line on the Horizon/archive3--passed with no problem having two non-free audio samples. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Would it not be possible to have both of these issues illustrated with a single sample? J Milburn (talk) 13:11, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Samples One thing that is nice about these two samples is that one illustrates electronic music with Gospel lyrical themes, whereas the other has a Gospel sound to the music. They are discussing similar aspects of the album, but not identical ones. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Byrnetour.jpg violates WP:NFCC#8 as its removal would not damage readers' understanding of this article. (Its use in Songs of David Byrne and Brian Eno Tour is not disputed.)
  - Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose pending resolution of the above. Stifle (talk) 14:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think it would be a good idea to change the History section title since it's not really the "history" of the album. A more appropriate title for the section would be "Background," don't you think? Burningview ✉ 14:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources comments: I have been through the first 50 or so, and found numerous issues. It will take a long time to get through the rest, so perhaps you would look at these meantime. Brianboulton (talk) 22:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Refs 2, 7: Surely this is a primary source?
- Yes These are primary sources, but the former is a press release for the album (any third-party source would be simply repeating it) and the latter are the album's liner notes; it's hard to imagine any third-party source replicating it or expanding on it.
Newspaper titles, e.g. Phoenix New Times should be italicised. Check for others.
- Done There might still be some, of course, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 11: I think the publisher should be recorded as "Yahoo Music Worldwide". Also 41 and perhaps others
- Done There are no other sources by this publisher. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 17: Typo (Phonix)
- Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 20 lacks a publisher
- Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 24: link is dead
- Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 34: "page not found". Same applies to 35 and 36
- Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 38: Why is "Beliefnet" a reliable source?
- Response As stated in Beliefnet, the site contains non-forum content that is written by professionals and is owned by larger media companies (formerly Fox Entertainment Group), so they are a credible source for that content, but not (e.g.) for message board posts. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 45, 46 and 49: What makes "Leo Abrahams" a reliable encyclopedic source?
- Response Abrahams worked on the album. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 50: lacks publisher
- Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 51: Format is odd. Annuals are not journals, so "volume=" is inappropriate. The editors, reither than the organisation, should be in the "author" slot.
- Done Please let me know if this is correct. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: In the absence of any reponses to the above, it does not seem seem worth my continuing with the long job of checking out the remaining 100-odd. Is this FAC still alive? Brianboulton (talk) 14:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I will work on this today. Thanks for your input. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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