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The article was not promoted by Ian Rose 10:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

F.C. Porto in international club football[edit]

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Nominator(s): Parutakupiu (talk) 01:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After a very productive peer review that raised considerably the quality of this article, I believe it is ready to face the ultimate level of assessment. This started quite a while ago as a detailed list of competition results and stats, in the same way as similar pages for other clubs. One of these even reached FL status but was later delisted because the reviewers considered that it had potential and was better suited to become an FA, if more prose content was added; another page of the same kind was indeed succesfull in its FA candidacy. Based on these examples, I decided to invest in the addition of a strong textual content, which now constitutes my attempt to summarise nearly 60 years of participations of Portuguese giants F.C. Porto in international club football competitions. It provides a good understanding of how this club evolved from an anonymous team in Europe, with rare success within borders, to one of the most successful and title-winning teams in recent European and international club football history. Thanks in advance for all your comments! Parutakupiu (talk) 01:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Comment I have not yet gone through the whole article in detail, but first impressions are good. For a regular European participant like Porto the level of detail is about right, with a little more detail on the significant parts, and a little less on less significant seasons. Two points from my first quick readthrough:
    • The first time each competition is mentioned, it would be useful to give a brief explanation of what it is. Things like the European Cup being contested by the champions of each country, that the UEFA Cup replaced the Fairs Cup etc.
    • In the table of finals, the two legs of the 1987 Super Cup ought to be grouped togetherOldelpaso (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • First of all, thank you for your comments and earlier edits. I'm pleased that you acknowledged the adequate level of detail with which I described seasons more important that others not as productive. As for the items you raised, I will try to provide a short description of the competitions. As for the Super Cup legs being separated, it was a consequence of the chronological order I applied to the table, as the IC match was played between the first and second legs. Parutakupiu (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • One question: should I briefly describe the competitions right in the lead or only in the History section? Parutakupiu (talk) 17:58, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Only in history would be my preference. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some more:
    • A couple of the images are modern pictures of stadiums that looked very different in the 1980s when the events described took place. As a result some might regard them as misleading.
      • I believe only Basel's stadium is completely different from what it looked in 1984. The Ernst-Happel is basically the same (with modern seating) and the Tokyo stadium looks the same in 2004 (year of the picture) as it did 17 years before. Of course, I cannot reference that with free-licensed photos from those years, but if I were to remove images, I'd only take that of St. Jakob-Park. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Three late second-leg goals from Schalke 04 overturned a 4–2 lead which sealed Porto's elimination in the first round of the following season's UEFA Cup. I appreciate that this is an attempt to avoid having a number of sentences with a very similar structure, but it seems odd to hear about goals before we know what the competition is or who the opposition were.
      • Changed the sentence's structure to mention the competition and opponent first. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The home leg was played in a different venue because the Estádio das Antas pitch was being lowered - where?
    • eliminated in the first round after suffering their heaviest away defeat - just the heaviest away from home, or the heaviest anywhere?
      • I have to say I did not understand your doubt here, but even so I detailed as "heaviest defeat away from home for European competitions". Parutakupiu (talk) 23:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Presumably Porto's heaviest away defeat is more severe than their heaviest home defeat. If that is the case, it could simply be eliminated in the first round after suffering their heaviest defeat, as it is a record for any match home or away. Oldelpaso (talk) 08:35, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Oh, I understand now, thanks. Indeed, it was their heaviest defeat in any condition. Removed "away". Parutakupiu (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The final was held at the former St. Jakob Stadium in Basel, where the Italian supporters were the majority. The reference here says "In the stadium, we only had ten percent of supporters". Unless this is part of a longer paragraph, the number of Italian supporters is not mentioned, so strictly speaking the reference does not support that assertion.
      • Changed to "the Portuguese supporters were a minority". Parutakupiu (talk) 23:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Bayern took the lead in the 25th minute through a badly diverted throw-in ball that Ludwig Kögl headed past Porto's defense - awkward phrasing, and unreferenced. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Simplified to "Bayern took the lead in the 26th minute through Ludwig Kögl". Parutakupiu (talk) 23:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to support, provided prose and images reviewers are happy. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated. Parutakupiu (talk) 21:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "Since 1956, Porto won the UEFA Champions League twice". Since this is a running tally of sorts and not set in stone, shouldn't this be "Porto has won"?
  • Early years (1956–77): "In the first case, Porto were eliminated by the flip of a coin." Why was a coin flip needed? Was it some form of tie-breaker?
  • "failing European competition in 1974–75." Should it be "failing to reach European competition" or similar?
  • First final – Pedroto years: "Porto was eliminated on the second round...". "on" → "in"?
  • "In the 76th minute, Vermelhinho fixed the final score in 1–0". I don't understand what this means. Did he score the only goal?
  • First titles – Artur Jorge and Ivic years: Ref 7 should be moved to outside the parenthesis mark.
  • "After securing an 1–1 draw in Munich". "an" → "a".
  • Champions League regular: "ending a 18-year drought of league titles...". "a" → "an".
  • The last couple sentences of this section need a reference, which shouldn't be too hard to find for this material.
  • Return to glory – Mourinho years: "win-draw-loss" needs en dashes, just like the scores themselves do.
  • "which provided one the most lopsided results in European Cup and Champions League finals". Needs "of" after "one".Giants2008 (Talk) 01:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • All comments have been addressed. Parutakupiu (talk) 02:47, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Post-Mourinho transition and Ferreira years: "Domestically, Porto failed a fifth consecutive league title...". Should have "to win" after "failed", I'd imagine. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate comment -- as it's been open for six weeks without finding consensus to promote, and there have been no comments for over two weeks, I'm going to archive this nomination. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:13, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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