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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 22 February 2023 [1].

Frilled lizard[edit]

Nominator(s): LittleJerry (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about arguably the most recognizable lizard in the world. I used a fair amount of scientific peer reviewed articles that cover nearly all the most important facts about the species. It has gone through a good article review which included a spotcheck and image review. I think we're almost there. LittleJerry (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • Suggest adding alt text
  • Don't use fixed px size
I have to for the cladogram. Otherwise the images will be giant. LittleJerry (talk) 13:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Chlamydosaurus_kingii_engraving_by_Mr._Curtis_1827.jpg needs a US tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 13:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Jim[edit]

  • Its distinctive appearance has been used in media —perhaps depicted?
  • The specific name, kingii, is a Latinised form of King's last name. —perhaps The specific name, kingii, is a Latinised form of King?
  • Grey’s cartilages —not linked or explained
  • The frill displays a variation of colours from west to east —perhaps add across its range. I wondered momentarily why the colour depended on the lizard's orientation
  • soil draining — soil drainage?
  • do so while feeding or to escape from predators— Hunting, rather than feeding
  • The species has been featured on some coins. —bit vague, no indication even of which nation's currency
Fixed all. LittleJerry (talk) 22:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • "which is when spends" - missing word
  • "The species is cleared to be" - is "cleared" the right word there?
  • "analysis of the species across its range using" - using what? There seems to be at least one word missing here
  • Which variant of English is this article written in? I can see "center" (American) but also "behaviour" (British) (but also "behavior" as well)
  • "The colours of the frill varies" - the subject (colours) is plural, so the verb should be too
    • It now says "the colours of the frills varies", which is still incorrect..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 23:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Consumption of ants drops after early dry season fires but raises" => "Consumption of ants drops after early dry season fires but rises"
  • "it watches for potential prey from a tree and upon finding it, climbs down" => "it watches for potential prey from a tree and, upon finding it, climbs down"
  • "many "captive bred" lizard" => "many "captive bred" lizards"
  • "Frilled lizard may also" => "Frilled lizards may also"
  • "portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that raised when attacking" => "portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that rose when attacking"
  • Last image caption is not a complete sentence so it doesn't need a full stop -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed all. LittleJerry (talk) 19:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - nice one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild[edit]

Recusing to review.

  • "spending most of its time in the trees." Do we need "the"?
Removed. LittleJerry (talk)
  • "which is when it spends more time near or on the ground." Similarly, do we need "which is"?
Removed. LittleJerry (talk)
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Its distinctive appearance has been depicted in media." Almost every species has. Could you either elaborate or delete.
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "an expedition conducted by Captain Phillip Parker King from HMS Mermaid." "from" → 'in'.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a Latinised form of King". Lower case k.
That's a last name. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops.
  • "and weighs around 600 g (1.3 lb)." I think you mean 'and can weigh as much as 600 g (1.3 lb)' or similar.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "thick head". What does this mean? Broad? Thick skulled?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and long legs and a tail". If you have to have two "and"s (I don't think you do} could we have an additional comma?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The corners of its eyes". "its" referring to males, or all lizards?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "over four times the animal's torso in diameter." 'over four times the length of the animal's torso in diameter'?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • " the lower jaw and Grey’s cartilage." I am unsure about this, but should that be ' the lower jaw and the Grey’s cartilage'?
I don't see the need. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The underside and lateral sides are sprinkled with dark brown markings that merge to create bands on the tail." Just for males?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • " more carotenoids than yellow and white frills" → ' more carotenoids than those with yellow and white frills'.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the latter two also lacking pteridines." That's not grammatical. Do you mean 'the latter two are also lacking in pteridines' or perhaps 'the latter two also lack pteridines'?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Yellow colouration has been linked to greater steroid hormones." Does "greater" mean a larger quantity or stronger (more effective) steroid hormones or something else?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "as they can better spot prey from above." Perhaps 'as they can then better spot prey from above' or 'as this allows them to better spot prey from above.'
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • References: could you standardise your hyphenisation of ISBNs?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The naturalist in Australia". Upper case N; remove "limited". And did you actually refer to the 1897 edition? Or to the 2017 ebook.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "spending over 90% of its days up in the trees." Is it known where it spends its nights?
That's 24 hours. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then it is unclear.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "69 m (75 yd) per day versus 23 m (25 yd) for females". I suspect that an 'on average' and perhaps an 'in a study at [give location]' could be added.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "To keep balance" ? 'To keep their balance' or 'To keep balanced'?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Prominent prey include". 'íncludes'?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "upon finding it" → 'upon seeing it'? Find seems an odd word for a sit-and-wait predator.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Several species of nematode infest ..." Perhaps a paragraph break here?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "many "captive bred" lizards are likely to have been". Perhaps 'many lizards for sale advertised as "captive bred" are likely to have been' or similar?
Changed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "frilled lizards were eaten by some indigenous cultures". It may just be me, but can a "culture" eat something? Its members can, or something can form part of a culture's diet. You use the past tense: is it known when this consumption took place, and/or when it ceased?
Changed LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Schrire: add the ISBN (9780867842043).
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support

Nice piece of work. Just a couple of points which may be down to my complete ignorance of AusEng:

  • In Taxonomy you use "northwestern": is that how AusEng has it? (in BrEng it would be north-western)
  • In Relationship with humans you have "Archeological". Same question as in Br Eng it should be archaeological.

If you're happy you have it right, then all well and good, but I am contractually obliged to check. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed both. LittleJerry (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Src rev[edit]

This version reviewed. Numbers in brackets denote the reference number as of this version.

Formatting:

  • (4) William Saville Kent: the version you link to is the 1897 1st ed, which requires an OLCC identifier. If on the other hand you used a modern reprint, then it will have a 13 digit ISBN but should be re-linked.
Fixed.
  • (5) Guyot, Porter et al: As above: too early for an ISBN, use the OCLC. Suggest using the {{orig-year=}} template.
No OCLC is given.
  • (28) DOI points to a landing page, not the journal itself.
Thats the doi given. If it does go to the article, then there's nothing I can do about it.
  • (30) Author: Shone is Shine.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (35) Might need to add the template {{dead-url=yes}}...
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spot checks:

  • (1) How does this support the temporal range?
By the numbers (99.7 to 0.012 Ma). LittleJerry (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (3b) passes.
  • (6) passes.
  • (8) How does this support the claim re. 10 million years?
See fig. 4 LittleJerry (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (13a) Supports the claims wrt the head and frill etc but can't see mention of the tail length (esp as it's the last of three cites).
It's supported by cite 7. LittleJerry (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (13b) passes.
  • (18b) passes.
  • (19a) passes.
  • (25a) passes.
  • (26) passes.
  • (30b) passes.
SN54129 13:51, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Serial Number 54129, finished. LittleJerry (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Serial Number 54129, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either pass or fail this source review. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yo Gog, it is true I walked away soas not to fail it with an unclear head. Obviously, much more useful to fail it with a clear head. It's mostly OK, but where answers were required, they were not wholly satisfactory. Viz formatting, OCLCs are available at Worldcat and an article isn't a landing page. For spotchecks, linking to Ma. at least would help the average reader and which of all the figs is fig 4? Thanks for the nod though. SN54129 13:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Serial Number 54129, I added the OCLC and Ma. Figure 4 is here. I removed the DOI, it won't link to the article and I don't know what you mean by "Viz formating" LittleJerry (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pass source review. Thanks LittleJerry & Gog. SN54129 15:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Funk[edit]

  • While this already has three supports, it could probably need one more review from a zoology editor, plus I was also asked to review earlier. Will have a look soon. FunkMonk (talk) 11:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • At first look, I think this article sorely needs a photo showing the entire body of this animal in profile and with the frill relaxed. Now there's one under Description approaching that, but here are some better ones:[2][3][4][5]
Added first. LittleJerry (talk) 17:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a bunch of duplinks which can be highlighted with the usual script.[6]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "revealed three lineages of recent divergence" Diverged when?
Removed. Not made clear. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • You use the scientific name in some captions for some reason, seems a bit arbitrary.
"Anatomy of the frill of the frilled lizard" doesn't sound right. Fixed other. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It split from its closest living relatives around 10 million years ago." Based on what evidence?
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The frilled lizard grows to a total length of around 90 cm (35 in) and a head-body length of 27 centimetres (11 in), and weigh up to 600 g (1.3 lb)." You start in singular, so should be "weighs".
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with males being larger than females" By how much?
Not made clear. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is the image under Behaviour and ecology "upright"? Makes it harder to see.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "was portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that rose when attacking." Probably worth mentioning this was a fictional feature without evidence.
Not stated in source. Its already implied. If it really did have a frill, there would be no point in mentioning it in a popular culture section on the frilled lizard. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It had a prominent role in The Rescuers Down Under, not sure if worth mentioning, but some of the other cultural mentions seem pretty marginal too.
They are mentioned in journal articles or books actually about the frilled lizard. I'm not cherrypicking a book about Disney for a cite on its appearance in that movie. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The following cladogram is based on Pyron and colleagues (2013)." No word on how it's related to these other species?
No. LittleJerry (talk) 14:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anything else on cultural significance to Aboriginals apart from just being food?
No. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The external links seem pretty random. Perhaps see if there is info there missing from the article and incorporate it instead.
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "is a diurnal and arboreal species" These terms could be explained.
Fixed, arboreal is already explained right after. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link termite at first instead of second mention.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Describe colouration in the intro.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - looking nice to me now. FunkMonk (talk) 14:32, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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