Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hamilton, Ontario

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The article was promoted 16:57, 28 June 2007.

Hamilton, Ontario[edit]

This article has been greatly expanded and improved over the past year. It is listed as a Good Article. There have been two Peer Reviews – here and here – and all of the suggestions were incorporated into the article. The writing is solid, and the information is comprehensive without being overwhelming. ... discospinster _talk 12:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed the article mentions a Globe and Mail article called "Go West, Young Artist" a couple of times, but there is no citation or link to the actual article? heqs ·:. 16:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the citation [1] --maclean 06:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But it's still mentioned in the lead without citation, and seems like too much detail for the lead. Perhaps you can mention the arts more generically in the lead, without the specific, so the missing citation won't be so noticeable there? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems reasonably comprehensive and is well cited.--Analogue Kid 12:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support satifies all the criteria. Good work. Lemmington 19:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixes needed. There is a lot of WP:MOS work needed. Please review the info in the Manual of Style about the difference between hyphens, endashes, and emdashes. The article used hyphens instead of endashes to separate date ranges, and endashes where emdashes should be used. Also, pls see WP:MOSNUM regarding wikilinking of dates; there is no need or reason to link solo years, and they should be unlinked. I fixed this for you, but in the future, please be aware of footnote placement per WP:FN. The article is overcited to the point that it violates WP:NOT and looks like a blog or webpage. We don't need to link to the website of every business, place, and organization in the area. If we do need five cites after a sentence, perhaps you can combine them with the style used at Tourette syndrome, but I really don't think we need to link to every business site to reference the fact that they exist. By smalling the referencing list twice, it's impossible for anyone without 20-20 vision to see the footnotes. Publishers are not identified on most of the sources, so we can't determine if reliable sources are used (see WP:CITE/ES). Portals belong in See also, per WP:LAYOUT. Please see WP:MOS regarding the use of italics; it's not clear why you've italicized things like names of Historical societies and names of companies. Please see WP:CONTEXT regarding overlinking of common terms like acting. Also TV & film industry; an & in the lead is rather informal. Lots of work to be done here; please ping me to revisit when work is completed. I'm most concerned about the bloggish/advert quality of some of the text and links which make the article feel like a commercial or tour guide to the area. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed date links & portal placement --maclean 23:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed overlinking & dash usage. --maclean 05:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed italics --maclean 19:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed reference padding --maclean 04:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed bloggish/advert quality. Though I see you are on a wikibreak, that should address all your points. --maclean 03:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Oppose (but I appreciate that you respected my wikibreak :-) The article has been at FAC for over a week, but hasn't yet come up to standard. Most of the sources don't list publishers (see WP:CITE/ES) which are needed to evaluate reliability of sources. ~~Emdashes are still used to separate date ranges, WP:UNITS haven't been addressed (you might consider using {{convert}}, and~~ there are copyedit needs, example: In 2001, the new city of Hamilton was formed. The Regional Municipality of Hamilton-Wentworth and its six local municipalities; Ancaster, Dundas, Flamborough, Glanbrook, Hamilton and Stoney Creek amalgamated. (January 1st) Before amalgamation, the "old" City of Hamilton was made up of 100 neighbourhoods. Today in the new megacity, there are over 200 designated neighbourhoods. What is the January 1st in the middle of the sentence? When is "today" (As of ?) This is only an example of the kind of ce needs throughout. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I fixed several dashes; please have another look, because I don't think I got them all. Most of the sources still don't list publishers (see WP:CITE/ES for samples). There are still copyedit needs. For example, starting at the bottom:
      - This, coupled with growth in the Downtown condo market which is drawing people back to the Core, is having an impact on the cultural fabric of the City. The opening of the Downtown Arts Centre[59] on Rebecca Street has spurred further creative activities in the Core. The Community Centre for Media Arts[60] (CCMA) continues to operate in Downtown Hamilton. (Core doesn't seem to be defined anywhere in the article, and I'm not clear why the City or Downtown are capped.)
      - Hamilton is home to several post-secondary institutions which has led to numerous direct and indirect jobs in education and research. Should Keyboard Studio be capped?
      - The faculty and staff is comprised of highly regarded regional artists ... is sourced to the institution's own website; that kind of statement requires an independent source. Things like this still need to be addressed throughout; these are only samples. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fixed...next. Nhl4hamilton 04:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Copyedits. I cannot find any improper emdashes (nothing in any date ranges). --maclean 06:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - See my fixes. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fixed units. Used {{convert}} where possible, and WP:UNITS-style where not. and referneces--maclean 03:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns:

I removed the list of waterfalls but I suggest creating a separate article similar to List of city parks of Erie, Pennsylvania.
Please include information regarding utilities, like where their drinking water comes from and sewage goes.
~~I removed some of the reference padding, but have questions about a couple:~~
- The Redeemer College reference goes to their homepage but I don't see where it says 850 student enrollment. Same with Columbia International College and "largest private boarding university-preparatory school in Canada, with 1,200 students from 48 countries"
The "History" section has 4 paragraph on the city's origin (before 1846) but nothing between 1855 and 2001. Would be best to use Wikipedia:Summary style on this section with History of Hamilton, Ontario. And why is the opening of the Grand Lodge a "noteworthy event that shaped Hamilton's early years"? --maclean 04:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support I have made the changes to fix my own objections. I can support this now. --maclean 05:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixes needed "Citizens of Hamilton are represented by 3 tiers of Government. The federal representation consists of 5 members of parliament serving in the legislature of Canada." - I think it would be better to write numbers under ten in words. Also, some web sources are missing available publishing dates. Epbr123 23:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed numbers. --maclean 03:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.