Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jihad (song)

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 18:43, 15 May 2007.

---

Jihad (song)

I wish to nominate current Good Article "Jihad (song)" as a Featured Article Candidate, which is an album track by Californian heavy metal act Slayer. Editors suggestions have helped improve the article (can any of those contributors who wish to comment on this FAC and / or vote please make the fact clear they've been contributors to the article when commenting / voting?.. thanks), while copyedits from Wikipedians such as Tony have smoothened the article's prose. While the article seems short somewhat, I feel it's comprehensive in that it draws upon all the information currently available on the topic. The song is relatively unknown to heavy metal music audiences, and was never issued in single format. All feedback is welcomed and thanked for in advance. I hope the article proves to be a good read. LuciferMorgan 00:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment The text (describing Mumbai's CSF's reaction and aftermath) with the music sample is unneeded. Rather, a text describing the music sample would be better (a la Angel of Death).--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to comment. I have followed your recommendation and amended the description accordingly. LuciferMorgan 10:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Support. I had a pretty rough time searching for nitpicks after all this polishing.

• Not all reviews were so negative - I don't like "so". The entire sentence appears a bit unnecessary to me, since "received mixed reviews" is already explained earlier in the section.

The word "so" has been removed, though I kept the sentence since I feel it nicely introduces the fact there were negative reviews, and always the opportunity to explore this. LuciferMorgan 22:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• "MusicOMH.com's Ian Robinson also received complaints" - He didn't receive complaints.

I can't believe I added that. That's been fixed. LuciferMorgan 22:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• I prefer words such as "to" and "is" outside quotations.

Could you provide an example please? Thanks.

...remarked that the song "is predictably.... Michaelas¹⁰ 23:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Any other instances you spot feel free to point out. LuciferMorgan 23:04, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Use the full name of the September 11, 2001 attacks before the shortcut, not after it. Also choose whether you would like to use "9/11" or "September 11" in the rest of the article. Michaelas¹⁰ 22:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I've opted for 9/11 in the rest of the article. I think that's now been addressed. LuciferMorgan 22:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to read the article, and your vote of support. If you have any other suggestions for improvement, feel free to get in touch. I'd like it noted that Michaelas10 is a Slayer WikiProject member as I am though so that nobody feels foul play is occurring here. LuciferMorgan 22:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Support.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Support —Disclaimer as a Slayer wiki project member—
  • I'd like to see the lead expanded; eg the opening para currently of comprises three entirely unrelated statements. Maybe add text to develope the second sentence.

I've added text to develop the second sentence, though please copyedit it as it may be awkward at present. LuciferMorgan 02:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• • The third sentence in the lead and the first in the "Origins" section are near verbatim repeats. The second instance needs to be developed (is it unusual for Hanneman to be the primary author, does Araya often write lyrics etc).

I've now developed upon the sentence and added more context to the "Origins" section. LuciferMorgan 14:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• • As the article is realtively short (not a criticism), the block quotes seem to dominate the structure. For example the ""Angel of Death" comparisons" section comprises two paras cut by a block quote. The quote is near twice the length of either para. Ceoil 21:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your statement 110%, but I do not know how to address this. Do you have any suggestions? Any advice is greatly appreciated. LuciferMorgan 02:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll get onto these shortly in the coming days. Thanks for your comments. LuciferMorgan 00:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

On the last point, that's fair enough, it's a relatively obscure topic you've chosen to write about, and there are few sources to draw from. Nevertheless, you did a good job; there are a few minor ce issues left, but all easily fixed. Have switched to support. Ceoil 19:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, which is greatly appreciated. Your help and improvements to the article are also appreciated. The fact it's relatively obscure and there are few sources to draw upon is also a major problem with heavy metal music related articles, which is a shame really. If more sources come to light regarding this song in the future though, I fully intend to add their information to the article. LuciferMorgan 18:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the block quote is not properly formatted. It uses the {{cquotetxt}} template which is supposed to be used for pull-quotes. What you might want to do, and what may help keep the quote from dominating the section would be to only use a small part of the quote in the article text. Then, use the entire quote in a pull-quote; I tried this out at Rich Girl (Gwen Stefani song), and it seems to have worked okay. ShadowHalo 18:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion - I've tried it, and I feel the section looks better given your advice. Should you have any other improvement suggestions, never hesitate to get in touch. LuciferMorgan 19:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.