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The article was archived by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 12 January 2024 [1].

Luo Wenzao[edit]

Nominator(s): Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 09:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the first Catholic bishop of Chinese ethnicity, who was active during the 17th century. This is my first FAC. As no one have agreed to mentor me, I decide to be bold and give it ago. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 09:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • File:Luo_Wenzao_(Gregory_Lopez).jpg is tagged as potentially non-public domain
  • File:临汤若望〈耶穌方釘刑架像〉.png: possible to translate the information on the image description page? Looking to verify the tagging
  • File:Mgr_François_Pallu.jpg: when and where was this first published?
  • File:吳歷.jpg needs a US tag
  • File:Mandatum_seu_Edictum,_Charles_Maigrot.jpg is incorrectly tagged. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:47, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Nikkimaria, thanks for the image review. The entire "tagging" thing is new to me, as I just scrape whatever is there on Wikimedia Commons. I will try my best.
  • I will add the alt text soon.Alts added.
  • File:Luo_Wenzao_(Gregory_Lopez).jpg – I tried looking into BNF and I found it. Here is the link. The description is also given on the page. A part of the description says
Collectionneur : Gaignières, Roger de (1642-1715). Collectionneur
Référence bibliographique : Gaignières, 1420
Collection numérique : Collection Gaignières (histoire de France)
Description : Collection numérique : France-Chine
Rights  : Public domain
I think we just need to fix the commons "tagging"... and it will be all right? The rationale would be that it was collected somewhere between 1642 and 1715, implying that it was definitely published before 1928.
  • File:临汤若望〈耶穌方釘刑架像〉.png – I am not sure what you mean. Where do I find "the information on the image description page"? Its wikimedia commons page provides the following information:
Description 中文：临汤若望〈耶穌方釘刑架像〉(Copy of Johann Adam Schall von Bell's "Crucifixion of Jesus")
Date1 January 1664
Source《臨湯若望進呈圖像說》(The source is from a text called Copies and Analysis of the Images Presented by Johann Adam Schall von Bell)
Author 楊光先 (Yang Guangxian)
The text, which I translated as Copies and Analysis of the Images Presented by Johann Adam Schall von Bell, is in the public domain. Here is a copy of it at the Chinese Wikisource project. here is another 2000 reprint with a foreword that talks about how the book containing the text and figure was composed between 1664 and 1665, published around the time. There was another confirmed published copy at 1869 (see foreword p. 9).
  • File:Mgr_François_Pallu.jpg – If you look very closely to the image itself, it dates "1685" at the bottom right corner. If we can't use this, may I suggest File:Mgr François Pallu, évêque de Chine.jpg?
  • File:吳歷.jpg needs a US tag – I have looked into where it is from. It is from Collection of Figures of Qing Scholars [zh], 1928. The painter's name is Huang Xiaoquan (黄小泉), and his death date is not known. Huang Xiaoquan was hired to paint the figures, so arguably a work for hire. I am happy to err on the safe side and remove this image.
  • File:Mandatum_seu_Edictum,_Charles_Maigrot.jpg - We could find an alternative image here [2] from the Deutsche Digitale Bibliothek. The DDB one says it was published c. 1710, so definitely in public domain.
Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 07:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Essentially we need the image description page (which is the Wikimedia Commons page) to include tags indicating why the work is either freely licensed or in the public domain in both the US and in its country of origin, and also have sufficient information for us to be able to verify that the tagging is accurate. So for example File:Mgr_François_Pallu.jpg has a life+70 years tag which covers its status in France, and also has a published before 1928 tag meant to cover its status in the US. However, because there is no publication date provided, we can't verify it was published before 1928. ("Publication" has a particular meaning in US copyright law, and simply being an old image doesn't necessarily mean it satisfies that - an image could be old and never officially published). So for that image, if you can find any confirmed publication before 1928, then the image is fine.
@Nikkimaria: Understood. Please see updated response-- I think there was a slight edit conflict in the last few minutes. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 14:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Luo_Wenzao_(Gregory_Lopez).jpg: since the collector died in 1715, even if we assume it is unpublished, it would pass by the strictest "120 years since their creation" rule for unpublished images. Am I correct?
  • If it was indeed unpublished, you would be correct. What is the first publication that can be identified? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot identify a first publication. Can we just treat it as unpublished? Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 05:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Publication for File:临汤若望〈耶穌方釘刑架像〉.png confirmed before 1928.
  • Suggest copying the translation above to Commons. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Translation added to Commons. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 05:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Mgr_François_Pallu.jpg changed to File:Mgr François Pallu, évêque de Chine.jpg, hope the new one is in US public domain.
  • This one also needs info on pre-1928 publication. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I found a source here that says the painting was made in 1653, and that the work was re-canvased and placed in a new stretcher in the 19th century. Latest auction was 2019. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 05:45, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I intend to remove File:吳歷.jpg.
Done.Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 06:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Mandatum_seu_Edictum,_Charles_Maigrot.jpg: I intend to upload a different image from DDB.
See File:Maigrot, Mandatum.png. I confirm that it was made public under a CC0 licence (see here at the bottom).
Let me know if I got it right. Many thanks. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 14:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TheLonelyPather, as per the instructions at WP:FAC, please avoid using graphic templates like {{done}} as they are known to cause issues with loading time of FAC page. FrB.TG (talk) 10:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are very correct. Thanks for removing the graphic templates. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 11:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note[edit]

This has been open for more than three weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it attracts considerable movement towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:( Understood. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 00:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Petition to have this FAC archived. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 10:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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