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The article was promoted by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 7 July 2022 [1].

Mandrill[edit]

Nominator(s): LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the mandrill, arguably the most iconic looking primate and the most colorful mammal. After an extensive GA review by Mover of molehills, I think its showtime. LittleJerry (talk) 01:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

  • Suggest adding alt text
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 12:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The sandwiching article states that "Mul­ti­ple im­ages can be stag­gered right and left. How­ever, a­void sand­wich­ing text be­tween two im­ages that face each oth­er;" There's no problem with that there. LittleJerry (talk) 12:17, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately on my screen there is. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:12, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly is the problem? LittleJerry (talk) 12:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Colour alone is being used to convey important information. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thats how range maps work. buidhe? LittleJerry (talk) 13:12, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Mandrill_and_flower.jpg: where is that licensing coming from? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:37, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Same question on the amended version. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. buidhe? LittleJerry (talk) 13:11, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria what exactly is wrong with the image licensing and the map? What do you mean "where is that licensing coming from?" and what's wrong with the color of the map? LittleJerry (talk) 14:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For the map, because there are other shaded areas in other colours, the use of only colour to convey information presents a problem for users with vision problems. For the image licensing, the image description page includes a source link, but I do not see the licensing claimed at that link. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:15, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced flower image. BhagyaMani, could you remove the green stuff on Africa and make it uniformly white to contrast with the purple? LittleJerry (talk) 12:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I used the wikimedia map as base layer, which is coloured in white + green shades. It is not possible to change this coloration, I'm afraid. The darker green areas represent protected areas, I think. BhagyaMani (talk) 19:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
BhagyaMani can't you use File:BlankMap-World.png or File:World map blank black lines 4500px.gif? Zoom in on middle Africa like File:Distibución gorilla.png? LittleJerry (talk) 19:43, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is wrong with wikimedia map?? I used this as the reviewers for the red panda page agreed with this as base layer. BhagyaMani (talk) 04:26, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
BhagyaMani, because it has green on it. Our readers may be color blind or have vision problems so they may not be able tell between the green and the range map color. Its better to have one color for the (land) background and one for the animal range. LittleJerry (talk) 23:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for my late reply. Today only I had time to have a look at this : I cannot use a png as baselayer. But see this without any greens, just borders : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J1lAcu7Hma0deJx8L5DvQPTyhviIm5EA/view?usp=sharing -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thats okay. I already got a new map, but thanks anyway. LittleJerry (talk) 13:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Changed range map. LittleJerry (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jens[edit]

  • Etymology seems a bit incomplete. For example, according to [2] the name was first used by William Smith for the Chimpanzee but later transferred to this animal.
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • the latter meaning "baboon" – Is the meaning really restricted to baboon? This source [3] states "baboon or ape". Please check with other sources.
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • central Africa – capitalise?
Not nessacarily. LittleJerry (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But see Central Africa and Central Europe. Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:27, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's okay to use lower case for non-geopolitical articles. LittleJerry (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But "central Africa" and "Central Africa" have different meanings, see [4]. Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 17:56, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • and placed in the genus Papio. – is there an "it" missing?
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This divergence correlates with the split of two known mandrill SIVs – This is too technical and needs more explanation I think. You could spell out the abbreviation, and it is not the virus itself that split but virus species?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2.90 gb – Again, I would spell out the abbreviation.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • draft genome – What does "draft" mean here exactly?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Males have a 700–950 mm – suggest to change to cm which appears to be more standard?
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • red and blues hues – "blue"?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rear view of the animal is an important feature, but I miss a picture of it.
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 13:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The darker and more subdued coloring of female faces is caused by melanin – I think this could be misleading. It reads as if the female coloring is entirely due to melanin, which is not the case; melanin only makes it darker.
Thats what its saying. It already mentions where the red and blue colors come from and states that females are darker due to melanin. LittleJerry (talk) 13:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The rump skin of male mandrills also have melanin – But melanin is everywhere regardless (also in human skin, for example)?
Nope. Not on the face. LittleJerry (talk) 13:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That would surprise me. Do you have a source for the claim that it does not occur in the face? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes cite 33 states that males don't have melanin on the blue facial skin. LittleJerry (talk) 15:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both mandrills and drills are more arboreal than baboons. – This could do with more detail; how much time do they spent in trees? Are there percentages, case studies, or similar?
There's no information on that. The article already states that they sleep in trees. LittleJerry (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mandrills may associate or compete with other primates such as – Here, detail is lacking in my opinion. What does it mean "to associate", do they form groups?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • More later. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 09:58, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • to mark mark enclosure boundaries – word too much
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • ulterior benefit – I don't understand what "ulterior" adds here. Why is it needed?
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The blue facial skin is more consistant in brightness. – "consistent"?
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The blue facial skin is more consistant in brightness.[32][61] Blue skin is another sign of dominance; – why "another" when it was just mentioned in the previous sentence?
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • When a males loses dominance, these physiological changes are at least partially reversed.[32] The blue facial skin is more consistant in brightness.[32][61] Blue skin is another sign of dominance; and higher ranking males tend to have more contrast between red and blue facial coloring. – Information order is confusing and seemingly contradicting: 1) males may loose color, 2) but not in the face, 3) they loose it also in the face. Could be better formulated to show how this fits together.
I don't see the contradiction. It states the red coloration varies with dominance while blue is more consistent. LittleJerry (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Individuals may cooperative during hunting and share kills – cooperate?
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • nematode loa loa – upper case
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another 15-month long study of a 120 member group found that the mandrills had a home range of 8.6 km2 – how does that fit with the previous information that gives much larger home ranges? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Smaller group, smaller home range. LittleJerry (talk) 15:57, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • secondary sexual characteristics – link? (there is an article)
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 21:16, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about the mandrill in culture? Lion King comes to mind, but there must be influences on western African cultures too. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No information on that. Cherry-picking examples in popular culture will lead to listcruft. LittleJerry (talk) 21:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on prose, all comments addressed. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Tim riley[edit]

Place-marker. Comments to follow after close scrutiny of text, but one thing jumps out from a first canter through: "sexual dimorphic" should be "sexually dimorphic", as in our WP article on that subject. The adjective needs an adverb modifier. More anon. Tim riley talk 14:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found this a most interesting and informative article. A few small points on the prose:

  • Lead
  • Dominant males have more vibrant colors and fatter flanks and rumps – more and fatter than whom? Non-dominant males, presumably, but it isn't clear. The first part of the sentence is ambiguous: do you mean they have more colours that are vibrant or colours that are more vibrant?
It states "and have more success siring young" so its comparing them to less dominant males. The colors are more vibrant. LittleJerry (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Etymology
  • French naturalist Georges-Louis Buffon … Welsh naturalist Thomas Pennant – are their nationalities relevant? Likewise for Gessner, later.
They help distinguish between the different naturalists. LittleJerry (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Appearance
  • The mandrill has a heavyset body – heavyset is a new word to me. Is it an AmE term? Its meaning isn't obvious.
Changed. LittleJerry (talk) 17:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Behavior and life history
  • semi-captive females may survive into their early 20s – it would be helpful to have the unexpected term “semi-captive” explained briefly.
Its pretty self explanatory. Semi = "partly". They are semi-free ranging. LittleJerry (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also think that this may be difficult for readers; what about linking to wiktionary? Jens Lallensack (talk) 13:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 23:25, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Social structure
  • unaided wild primates – "unaided" is another unfamiliar term, in this context, and could do with explanation for the benefit of non-expert readers.
Unaided is also obvious. The source uses "unprovisioned". This is the best I can break it down. LittleJerry (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • a 120 member group – would benefit from a hyphen
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • an average travelling distance – as the article is so very obviously in AmE, the BrE "travelling" rather than "traveling" looks odd to me, but perhaps the former is an accepted American alternative.
  • leads to less social connections – grammatically you can't have less connections: you mean fewer.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reproduction and development
  • dominant males are also known as "fattened" males while subordinate males are known as "non-fatted" males – this seems strange. One might expect consistent fattened/non-fattened or fatted/non-fatted, but if the versions we here are the standard terms, that’s fine, of course.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those are my few minor observations. Tim riley talk 09:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tim riley, anymore? LittleJerry (talk) 23:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's my lot. I have no more comments. Tim riley talk 03:20, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Tim riley. is that a support? LittleJerry (talk) 23:04, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neither supporting nor opposing. Tim riley talk 07:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Funk[edit]

  • Marking my spot. FunkMonk (talk) 01:05, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Chimpanzees is duplinked.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the last photo really worth all the white space it creates by the references? Its pretty poor and doesn't add much.
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This[5] photo shows the shape and gait of the animal better than many of the current pictures, some of which are blurry and samey.
There's no room for it. It can't be in the description section, since I'll have three images of adult males in a row (including lead). LittleJerry (talk) 12:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The photo under ecology is pretty blurry and samey, do we even know if it shows a wild individual, which I assume is why it's there? Could be replaced by something better. FunkMonk (talk) 22:13, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced. LittleJerry (talk) 23:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to be "forest baboons" and placed them in the genus Papio." Add "like the baboons" or "the baboon genus Papio" to clarify this is the genus of all baboons.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The majority consensus is that mandrills belong to one subspecies (M. s. sphinx)" How does the source phrase this? If there are no subspecies, it's just monotypic, and no trinomial is needed?
"....while all mandrills are placed in a single subspecies (M. sphinx sphinx). I guess its like modern humans being Homo sapiens sapiens LittleJerry (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and are distinct haplogroups" They belong to distinct haplogroups, they are not.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to have also lead to the splitting" Led.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The blue ridges on males contrasts both" Contrast plural?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • These[6][7][8] are superior photos of babies, the one in the article barely shows the juvenile, and is very similar to the grooming photo.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would seem more relevant and interesting to show a male characteristically baring its fangs, instead of the poor photo under ecology, examples:[9][10][11]
Those images appear to show mandrills yawning. They don't communicate by showing their teeth like that. The skull image shows the teeth. LittleJerry (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 23:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Outside the breeding season, males are believed to lead a solitary life and all-male bachelor groups are not known to exist." This makes me wonder about all the photos we have of males with femals in zoos, seems they are kept together all yer around, but do we know how this affects their behaviour? At least male elephants are usually kept away from the females in zoos.
Doesn't say. LittleJerry (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "captive individuals at the Colchester Zoo, England learned to facepalm" Does it have any meaning for them?
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mandrills may also may grunt" Double may.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ovulating females are more likely to allow the brightest colored males near them and inspect their perineum" Who inspects who?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 23:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "hunting in Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea appears to have led to smaller group sizes" Hunting for meat, skins, or what? Could go further into human use.
For meat. It already states so earlier in the paragraph. LittleJerry (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and hunting for bushmeat" I see the intro specifies, then the article body should too.
It does. "Its total population is unknown but is suspected to have decreased by more than 30 percent over the last 24 years. Its main threats are habitat destruction and hunting for bushmeat." LittleJerry (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why does the common name need a citation in the infobox?
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • If fossils have not been found, as indicated by the article, how do we know this species appeared in the Early Pleistocene, as indicated by the taxobox?
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • " with which it shares the genus name Mandrillus" Or rather just the genus, seems odd to say they share it as a "name".
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The intro could give a better physical description, none of their distinct facial and posterior features are mentioned.
It already states "It is one of the most colorful mammals in the world, with red and blue skin on its face and posterior." LittleJerry (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley[edit]

Done. LittleJerry (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Various morphological and genetic studies". I would leave out "Various" as unnecessary and vague.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The current consensus". "Current" will become dated. Better "As of 2022, the consensus"
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some photos are too small to be useful and would be better enlarged. E.g. you could increase "Male and female mandrills" to upright=1.3
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is a chest gland. Can it be linked?
A gland on the chest? There is no link. LittleJerry (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "feed as high as the canopy." is tautologous. Does you mean they also feed in the canopy? If so, you should say so.
Its not a tautology, there are different levels to the rainforest and the canopy is the highest. LittleJerry (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mandrills may aggregate or compete with other primates" This is vague. Do you mean that they mix socially or fight with other primates? Presumably they could expel smaller species from feeding areas?
It doesn't say. Only that they can be found together and compete for foods. LittleJerry (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "unaided wild primates" What does unaided mean here? If it means primates which are not fed by humans I would leave it out as superfluous.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 18:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The supergroup would occasionally diverge" "split" would be a better word than "diverge"
That's the word used in the source. I'd rather be as different as possible. LittleJerry (talk) 18:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "try to monopolize access to respective females by mate guarding" What does "respective" mean here? receptive?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 18:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Interbirth periods last an average of 405 days" I do not get this. Do you mean that there is a year and 40 days between births, so each birth is on average 40 days later in the year than the previous one? If it is an average with some births after one year and some after two years it should be clarified.
I have no idea. The source states "Interbirth intervals (IBI) average 405 days (range 184–1159 days, N = 103)" LittleJerry (talk) 18:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is nothing in the article about fighting? Is dominance always established peacefully? Dudley Miles (talk) 16:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 18:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FunkMonk? Dudley Miles? LittleJerry (talk) 19:50, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass[edit]

I'll try to take care of this over the next couple days. Hog Farm Talk 03:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sources look reliable enough for what they're citing
  • One minor formatting question - I see both PLOS ONE and PLoS ONE are used - recommend standardizing with whichever is more proper
  • I saw spot checks were done at the thorough-looking GA review; so I only did a few, issues not noted. Hog Farm Talk 20:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. Fixed PLoS ONE. LittleJerry (talk) 20:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: : Anything more needed? LittleJerry (talk) 13:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild[edit]

Recusing to review.

  • Lead: "most colorful"; article: "brightest coloration". I suggest you pick one - or use both in both places if the sourcing supports this.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Females form the core of these groups, while adult males are solitary and only reunite with the larger groups during the breeding season. Dominant males have more vibrant colors and fatter flanks and rumps ...". Just checking that the "more vibrant colors and fatter flanks" is in comparison to females? The follow on from the female - male comparison seems to make that clear, but the terminating "and have more success siring young" makes me want to check.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are some naturalists labelled by nationality - Swiss, French - some by region - Welsh - some by ethnic/language group - German (there was no German nation in 1824) - and some not assigned such a label - Darwin, Linnaeus?
Darwin and Linneaeus are well known and need no introduction. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This only addresses one of my queries. What about the others. Re Darwin and Linneaeus, I see no reason why any of them need labelling other than by name, but if you are going to assign nationalities, regional identities, language groups or whatever - which I can live with, it's your article - you need to be consistent.
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "majority consensus". Delete "majority". (One can't have a minority consensus.)
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "split 800,000 years ago based on cytochrome-b sequences". Er, you mean cytochrome-b sequences were used to date the split, not what you wrote. And is there an associated error bar?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The rump skin of male mandrills also have melanin" is not grammatical.
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They may live in gallery forests". "may"? Is this not known for certain then.
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is "continuous forest"? Is there non-continuous forest?
The opposite of gallery forest. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Umm. The opposite of gallery forest is bare earth. Could we have a brief in line explanation.
Gallery forest are patches of forests surrounded by savannas and other habitats. That what continuous forests contrasts with. LittleJerry (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Leopards may prey on mandrills, as traces of mandrill have been found in their feces." Why "may"?
There is a possibly of scavenging. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Other potential predators include African rock pythons, crowned eagles and chimpanzees." Why "potential"?
The author suggests them but predation hasn't been recorded. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly 'it has been suggested that' or similar may convey this nuance better?
I don't see the improvement. LittleJerry (talk) 22:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in captivity, they used sticks to clean themselves". "used" → either 'use' or 'have been observed using'.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "71 less dominant and subadult males". Just checking that is correct and you don't mean '71 less dominant or subadult males'.
Correct. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "that would reunite after certain periods". How long is a "certain period"?
It just says they temporarly split. LittleJerry (talk) 21:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "may lead to support during conflicts ...". And, there again, it may not. Is this not known, or is it just an author playing guessing games?
The author uses that type of language. You can't know for sure. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well you can, but if we don't in this case then fair enough.
  • "captive alpha males to mark enclosure boundaries more frequently." More frequently than what? Or who, as the case may be.
Than other places. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be clarified in the article?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mandrills groom one another, even when there is no benefit to be gained from doing so." I assume that the groomed mandrill always benefits?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "give them more time to flee." Flee from what?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The recipients of grooming will try to maneuver the groomer to pick at more "risky" areas." Er, what does this mean? Risk of what?
See above LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "fattened" and "non-fatted" seems odd. You sure the source says that? I would expect either fattened and non-fattened os fatted and non-fatted.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and males are less able to sire offspring when their canines are under 30 mm". I suspect that "able" should be 'likely'.
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 20:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Receptive females have sexual swellings". Where?
Added. LittleJerry (talk)
  • "Infants are born around 640 g (23 oz)" → 'Infants when born weigh around 640 g (23 oz)'.
That's closer to how the source words it so I can't do that. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
'Infants are born weighing around 640 g'; 'When born infants typically weigh 640 g'; At birth, infant weight is around 640 g' ...
Changed. LittleJerry (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and mostly bare with some white hair". Do you mean 'and are mostly bare-skinned ...'?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Females may reach their adult size around seven years" → something like 'Females may reach their adult size when aged around seven years'. And, again, "may". Is this not known, or been observed, or calculated, or anything.
Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cites 26 and 77: pp errors.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • References: some books have publisher locations, some don't. Either is acceptable, but be consistent.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very prompt. Looking good. Several come backs above. If I haven't commented I am happy.

@FAC coordinators: : I think we're ready. LittleJerry (talk) 21:21, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: : 4 supports, a source review and a image review. LittleJerry (talk) 23:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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