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The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 31 May 2020 [1].

Nashville Xpress[edit]

Nominator(s): NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a Minor League Baseball team that played two seasons in Nashville, Tennessee, on a temporary basis. It was uprooted from Charlotte, North Carolina, in conjunction with Major League Baseball expansion and played in Nashville until a permanent home could be found. The team shared Herschel Greer Stadium with the Nashville Sounds. While not unheard of, it is rare to find two baseball teams sharing a home ballpark. NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Usernameunique[edit]

  • Support: I reviewed this article a few days ago at the good-article stage, and had my say then. It was easily a good article at the time and, I think, equally deserving of featured status. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:37, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • File:NashvilleXpressLogo.png: who is believed to be the copyright holder? Same with File:NashvilleXpressCapLogo.png. And given that we're including two non-free logos rather than just one I'd expect each to have a stronger FUR
    • Presumably BallCorps, LLC, the current owners of the Southern League franchise once known as the Xpress. I've added this to each image's source. Regarding two non-free images, I've added to the "purpose of use" on each image. For what it's worth, it is standard across baseball team articles to include both team and cap logos in the infobox. NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:36, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:1984_Nashville_Larry_Schmittou.jpg: can you confirm there's no copyright notice anywhere in the program, and that the image is original to the program?
    • I checked when I scanned the image and again just now. Cover-to-cover, there is no copyright notice whatsoever. I don't know how one could prove any photograph to be original to any document. The best assurance I can give is that in my extensive Nashville Sounds collection, this is the only place I find this image. NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:36, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Is any attribution provided in the source? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • None whatsoever—no photographer, studio, date, copyright symbol of any kind, no title page, no copyright page, nothing. NatureBoyMD (talk) 13:20, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:NashvilleXpressJerseys.png: what is the source used to create this image? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Therapyisgood[edit]

Resolved comments from Therapyisgood (talk) 03:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  • In conjunction with the 1993 Major League Baseball expansion, George Shinn, owner of the Double-A Southern League's Charlotte Knights baseball team, was granted an expansion franchise in the Triple-A International League why was he granted a franchise?
  • This meant Shinn would need to relocate, or sell, his existing Southern League team. why?
  • and the city of Jackson, Tennessee, which had been rejected from receiving a Double-A expansion franchise. when?
  • The asking price was believed to be $3.6 million believed by whom?
  • uprooted by the Colorado Rockies National League expansion team. I'm not sure I understand this, how can a MLB uproot a Triple-A team?
    • Similar to how the Double-A Charlotte team had to leave upon the arrival of the Triple-A team, the Triple-A Denver team had to leave when the MLB Rockies moved into the Denver territory. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • the displaced franchise fast-approaching season. bit of WP:EDITORIALIZING
    • Dropped "displaced". Changed "fast-approaching" to "coming". NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • "Following months of unsuccessful litigation and appeals" how many months? Therapyisgood (talk) 00:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Unable to determine an exact number, I've removed "months of". NatureBoyMD (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In late January 1993, less than three months away from Opening Day, not sure why "opening day" is capitalized
  • The facility would have been inadequate for a Double-A team why?
    • Age and capacity were below Double-A requirements. Detail added. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The game was attended by just 1,715 people on a bitterly cold evening just is WP:EDITORIALIZING, I think "bitterly cold evening" is inappropriate too unless it's a quote from somewhere.
    • Dropped "just". "Bitterly cold" was a paraphrase from the citation; changed to "cold night". NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Southern League's 142-game season was split into two halves wherein the winners of each half from each of two divisions confusing
    • Changed to "The Southern League's 142-game season was split into two halves wherein the division winners from each half qualified for the postseason championship playoffs." NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Múñoz, who did not play in the game after having pitched six innings the night before, led the Southern League with 11 wins and 118 strikeouts.[23] Becker possessed a .280 batting average with 10 home runs and 42 runs batted in (RBI); he struck out in his only at bat off the bench. I think you could combine these two sentences with the conjunction "while"
  • The Xpress lost three key pieces violates NPOV, if someone described the pieces as "key" you can quote that but as it stands it's a POV violation.
  • All-Star don't think you have to capitalize all-star
  • These subtractions as well as late-season injuries to shortstop Denny Hocking, outfielders Marty Cordova and Mike McDonald, and others, caused Nashville to struggle in the second half according to whom? OR
    • Changed to "Despite winning the first-half, the Xpress struggled after the all-star break." (with reference) NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The team was unable to overcome its second-half difficulties. I'm not sure this sentence is needed at all.
  • served as its caretaker caretaker → owner
    • Schmittou was never its owner. Changed to "...while Larry Schmittou continued to operate the team in Nashville." NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The team had a new owner, but still lacked a city and stadium of its own not sure this sentence is necessary
    • I feel like it might be. The team having been sold did not mean it also had a place to play. After this sale, the new owner still had to look for a place to play or build. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • With the 1994 season soon to begin not sure this sentence is necessary
  • They improved as the season progressed citation needed, seems like WP:SYNTHESIS
  • Despite winning 27 of 40 games before being eliminated,[42] Nashville fell four-and-a-half games short short of what? Out of first place?
  • Their final home game was played on September 1 against the Huntsville Stars. With Nashville holding a 1–0 lead going into the eighth inning, Huntsville scored three runs in both the eighth and ninth innings on the way to a 6–2 defeat of the home team. think you could combine these sentences
  • He and Barcelo were in a three-way tie with another player why not just "tied"?
  • LaTroy Hawkins tied for the best winning percentage in the league?
  • After playing 282 regular season games and compiling an all-time record of 146–136, the franchise's time in Nashville had come to an end. → "After playing 282 regular season games and compiling an all-time record of 146–136, the franchise left Nashville."
  • In July 1994, the Southern League's board of directors asserted "asserted" is a WP:SAID word to watch, try "stated"
  • Schmittou was similarly unwilling to have the team back for yet another season as hosting the team at Greer was too big of a financial risk. "yet" is POV, "similarly" is WP:SYNTH, "too big of a financial risk" is POV
    • Changed to "Schmittou was unwilling to have the team back for another season as hosting the team at Greer was too big of a financial risk." "[T]oo big of a financial risk" is from the reference ([2]). NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Can you explain why this was a too big of a financial risk? I read the source but still don't understand. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • I can't find anything that elaborates on the financial risk of hosting two teams. Going by the attendance analysis in the second two paragraphs of the "Ballpark" section, it stands to reason that Schmittou either didn't break even, or the profits were lower than he desired. With hosting two teams, his part-time staff (ushers, concessions workers, parking attendants, etc) worked twice as many games, and were thusly paid for twice as many games. His full-time staff (ticket sales, office staff) may very well have been paid extra for their extra work involving an extra team. In addition to employees, opening the ballpark nearly every day meant additional expenditures towards electricity, water, gas, etc. As to why Schmittou mentions Michael Jordan, who was expected to play for the Nashville Sounds in 1995, it seems like he wanted to put his full effort, and that of his staff, toward maximizing revenue from Jordan's presence. NatureBoyMD (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The ambitious plan was steeped in messy details, POV, Puffery
  • Rather than choose a city within the league's Southeastern footprint, Bastien proposed a temporary move to Bayamón, Puerto Rico, some 1,700 miles (2,700 km) away from Nashville and 1,200 miles (1,900 km) miles from the circuit's nearest team in Orlando, Florida. I read the source, nowhere does it mention the distance from Nashville to Bayamón so you're doing some kind of WP:SYNTH.
    • I used either Google Maps or Bing Maps to measure the distance. I don't know how to cite that, so I removed the measurements. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • the Minnesota Twins were not interested in continuing their working agreement with the Xpress, not what the source says, the source just says they cut ties
    • Reworded and added a new reference saying Minnesota cut ties with the Xpress upon learning of the move to PR. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Eventually, the only major league club left without a Double-A affiliate was the Seattle Mariners, this needs a reference, because just a reference ago I read the Detroit Tigers also didn't have a Double-A affiliate and you don't source the Tigers signing anyone
  • who refused to affiliate with the Xpress over the excessive travel costs again not what the source says, the source doesn't say why the Mariners didn't sign them, the article writer just speculates it's over travel costs
  • They qualified for the postseason only once only is POV
  • Greer's best-known feature best-known to whom? In fact the source article doesn't say anything about a "best-known source"
  • installed in 1993 source doesn't say installed in 1993, source says prior to the season
  • "giant" source doesn't say giant, SYNTH
  • Hindered by competition with the Sounds, according to whom?
    • Added "..., according to Schmittou,..." per existing ref. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nashville's uniforms were similar to those worn by their major league parent club, the Minnesota Twins. synthesis, citation needed
  • serving like a tunnel, on the front.[76][35] references need to be flipped
  • Archive the eBay source for the cap insignia.
  • The cap looks like a lighter shade of red than on the graphic, is that the right shade?
    • The logo I've provided matches the red of the primary logo. It appears darker or lighter depending on the lighting. A number of examples can be seen here. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whole article's tone is unencyclopedic. Opposing. Therapyisgood (talk) 02:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Therapyisgood: Thanks, I have responded to all of your comments. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • and the largest metro area population. I'm thinking this might be hyphenated but I'm not sure.
    • I thought so, too, but a few Bing & Google searches turned up non-hyphenated results. NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bastien proposed a temporary move to Bayamón, Puerto Rico. I read the source and nowhere does it mention "temporary"
    • Reference added supporting PR as a temporary site. NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I performed a "source check" above but I'd encourage another one. Therapyisgood (talk) 03:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note[edit]

Sorry but this has been open well over a month and dormant for several weeks so I'm going to archive it. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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