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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 14:29, 3 May 2011 [1].

Necrid[edit]

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Nominator(s): Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Trying once more for FAC. Little new material has been added since the last FAC, though the article has undergone heavy copyediting for prose and ease of reading, and adjustments to sources have been done as needed.Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Image and deadlink review

  • File:Necrid01.png - source link is broken.
  • Two deadlinks.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • For the image, I've found an archive on the Internet Wayback Machine here. I'll try to find the specific location and see if it's on the archived version. Harry Blue5 (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Here. Harry Blue5 (talk) 16:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • The deadlinks are due to MyWire currently being down due to temporary restructuring, however they are only in place to further verify the information in the magazine references they're used in. Fixed source link for the image.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting- I was playing SCIV earlier today, as it happens. I've played a lot of II, but I must say that I wasn't a fan of Necrid. Anyway...

  • "After escaping the dimension—his body drastically mutated, his memories and sanity initially lost—he wields various forms of energy as weapons while searching for fragments of the shattered Soul Edge, which soothe the pain caused by his separation from the dimension's energies." Tense shift.
  • "Some reviewers, such as Insert Credit" Is Insert Credit a reviewer? Or is it a publication? Same for 1UP.com
  • I'm assuming Necrid is the result of the "idea that McFarlane accepted because he considered it an opportunity to create a toy based on the finished design"? Perhaps make it explicit.
  • "Instead of face Inferno, he fled," Rephrase?
  • "His memories and sanity through by the battle, Necrid closed the entrance to the void, trapping himself within." I don't understand what this means
  • "At the start of Soulcalibur IV the character Talim repeats a dialogue she had with Necrid in Soulcalibur II, but in reverse order." Again, sorry, I don't follow.
  • "to form various bladed weapons, able to set the energy aside" Rephrase?
  • "ignis fatuus" Italics?
  • "at varying distance" at varying distances?
  • "GameNOW called" Sorry, this jars on me- it's not the publication that calls it such, but the writer. I appreciate no writer is named, but something like "A staff writer for..." will work
  • "GMR described him" Same again, and perhaps say what GMR is? "American video games magazine GMR" or whatever
  • "they further exclaimed" Odd phrase
  • (In other places, I feel that saying "an article in" or "a writer for" or something would be better than saying "Publication said", but I'll not just repeat myself)
  • "Insert Credit" Again, as there's no link, could you say what this is?
  • "character's gameplay was unbalanced" In what way? You haven't mentioned this elsewhere in the article.
  • Images are fine. I have tagged File:Necrid01.png with {{non-free reduced}}. It's a shame there's only the one image, but kudos for keeping non-free content to a minimum. Have you considered adding File:Todd McFarlane by Gage Skidmore.jpg to the article, just to break it up a little? Something to consider, maybe.

All in all, a very nice article, I was pleasantly surprised. You manage to seamlessly include both information of interest to a Soul fan like myself, and the real-world significance of the character. The article is written well, and seems to comply with our various policies and guidelines. I have not double checked the sourcing, so I can't speak for that, but everything else seems to be close to FA quality. I suspect I'll be happy to support once the issues I have raised have been dealt with. J Milburn (talk) 20:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • Did some heavy work on the article per the above, and removed that bit about Talim in SC4 entirely: there's no evidence of reference to this character in retrospect other than shared lines. Hopefully all the issues have been dealt with?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments':
  • Could probably use another look at copyediting for phrases like:
    1. Necrid can attack using other forms of energy as well,* such as
    1. Namco outlined the then-unnamed character's traits, such as its his in-game role and physical build
  • Design, second paragraph - The first sentance is awkward because it says the appearance is similar save for the skin scolor. It then goes on to list a number of exceptions. If it is as similar as suggested, a whole paragraph shouldn't be needed to describe the differences. Either condense it by eliminating some of the minor changes and focusing on the more major one (ie giving proper weight to the major differences, or don't use a word like "similar".
  • In video games - this implies he's been in multple games when the text notes he's only been in one and not all versions. Thus the header gives a false impression to the reader.
  • "Several of Necrid's attacks are duplicates of those used by other characters in the series." - vague. Are the button commands the same, are the movements onscreen the same, the powers, damage type, etc all or some of the above or something else?陣内Jinnai 20:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fixed the issues you mentioned, but I don't really see the problem with "In video games" since the plural does still apply in the sense that he appeared in console ports of SC2. "Appearances" or "In Soulcalibur II" would be the only alternates I can think of, but one has even broader implications of the character appearing in other media, and the other feels rather redundant.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • So if a character appears in a blu-ray and DVD version of a production it should be treated as 2 different releases? Or what about if there was 2 versions of a DVD release, one with a directors cut, should they be considered seperate titled releases? I can't see that and imo ports here are basically the same thing, just replacing the different type of media.陣内Jinnai 23:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes I get your point, but you would still put "in film" for a character's appearances in that regard, as it's the only media they have ever appeared in. "In video games" is the closest counterpart to such a header, as anything else is either direct to the point of being redundant or vaguely implies appearances in other media outside of games.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Actually, no my point is that it should be using some term that describes it as a singular, not a plural. If and when the character is released in another game, then it'd be different, but as the article mentions he's not even sceduled as a possibility for the next SC release.陣内Jinnai 15:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • In video games: Comma after Talim (first use)?
  • The video game console link is unneeded, since there's one already in an earlier section.
  • Gameplay: "However, each attack causes his weapon extend from then retract into his hands". Missing "to" before "extend".
  • Promotion and reception: This section has several repeated links. You don't need that much blue. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Should be all fixed.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Still see multiple Xbox and IGN links here, and Xbox was linked in a previous section, meaning there's three links in a close proximity (likely two too many). Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:09, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • Ref 7: pages(s)?
    • The information from that source was from MyWire, which unfortunately is down at the moment and did not give a page number. It is used specifically for citing that Namco provided outlines for Necrid's physical build, a detail not mentioned in the other more-readily available interviews, leaving it unable to be replaced with a better one at this time.
  • Be consistent in whether authors are listed first or last name first, and in how multi-author works are notated
    • Fixed references 39, this is the only one I can see that was the problem?
  • Don't replicate cited sources in External links
    • Fixed.
  • What makes this a reliable source? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • InsertCredit is ran by Brandon Sheffield, video game journalist and editor-in-chief of Kotaku; Tim Rogers is a video game journalist and reviewer cited by sources such as MTV.com[2] and contributor to sites such as Kotaku. He is cited here solely for his opinion on the subject character.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I want to support this, but I am still not convinced that the writing is up to scratch. Some examples-

  • Repetition of "stated" in para 3 of the promotion section
  • Personification of publications- "X-Play stated that", "GameZone stated his"
  • "Website publication"? I appreciate that you're trying to explain what GameZone is, but this doesn't really help. "Gaming website"?
  • "fragments of the sword, he encountered Talim, who was also seeking the fragments," repetition
  • "His memories and sanity restored through by the battle" What does that even mean?
  • Short paras in "design" and "in video games".
  • "XBN staff (August 2003). "Spawn of McFarlane". Xbox Nation." Page numbers? Italicise XBN (or remove the "author" altogether)?

These are just a few examples. Sorry. If it doesn't pass this time, I will try to find some time to help you give it the last little push. J Milburn (talk) 16:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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