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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:Maralia 15:57, 12 October 2008 [1].

Real Madrid C.F.[edit]

Nominator(s): Hadrianos1990
previous FAC (02:18, 28 September 2008)

I nominate this article because I consider it one of the best on Wikipedia. I worked a lot to improve it and I hope You'll agree. Thank You! —Hadrianos1990 07:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Trabajo propio = own work.
  • Una de las primeras formaciones del Madrid Football Club (Real Madrid C.F.) a principios del siglo XX. = One of the first "formations" of Real Madrid Footabll club at teh beginnings of the 20th century. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very good article! Congratulations! Giggy (talk)
    • I didn't write this [2] Giggy (talk) 08:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hadrianos removed the above comments. I rolled him back so that a clear record is kept of this bizarre behaviour. Marskell (talk) 09:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And I have just blocked the user for what I see as a very clear attempt to disrupt the FAC process. He or she is only blocked for a week, however, so I presume that this FAC should be shelved for now, and can come back once the block is over. Though perhaps we can wait a moment to see if the user responds on his or her talk page. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 10:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - An interesting article that I enjoyed reading, but further copy-editing is needed. Here are some examples:

  • It plays its home professional games in the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in downtown Madrid since 1947. - The tense is wrong.
  • The club is the world's richest in football (€351m) in terms of revenue and the second most valuable (worth over €950m as of 2008). - some attention needed here.
  • After moving between some minor grounds - between?
  • Real Madrid had the lead going into the last match of the season. - "were in the lead"?
  • On 2 July 1978, the one to whom credit can be given for transforming Real Madrid from the second most successful club in Madrid into the most successful in Spain, and one of the most successful in Europe, club president Santiago Bernabéu passed away. - is hopelessly convoluted.
  • rezoned - ??
  • a total of - just one example of much redundancy.

These are just a few example of many problems. A fresh pair of eyes is needed; the whole article needs attention. Graham Colm Talk 09:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: as the last nomination.--Andrea 93 (msg) 12:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - too many little problems - GrahamColm has pointed out half a dozen - other things stood out to me...

  • "about 41 managers"? about 41?
  • "while Jacinto Quincoces is team's least " the team?
  • Periods are XXXX-XY while other year ranges in the article are XXXX-XXXY
  • "After the 2004–05 season, Real Madrid have ended Manchester United's eight-year reign as the biggest earners in world football on the back of a galáctico policy with €275.7m (£190m) jumped 17 per cent." - what this is going on about I have no idea. Regardless of the poor grammar, what does this mean?
  • Linking euro, dollar and pound on their final use is an odd way of doing things. Usually link the first time.
  • The whole "Budget" section needs work. It's not encyclopedic, it has unfounded claims, it's written like a tabloid newspaper.
  • Avoid squashing text between images.
  • "most winnings " - not really good English.

As Graham said, this whole article needs a copyedit, preferably by an independent native English speaker. Right now, not close to FA I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait a minute. The last time this was up for FA and it didn't get promoted, you left this charming message on SandyGeorgia's barnstar page. After you were asked to explain the comment on your talk page, for what I could see, it was ignored. Now you bring the same article back? Could you explain this comment once and for all? I took it seriously, as a threat. That is simply unacceptable and enters the realm of the ridiculous to think that bullying is an effective method of getting one's article promoted. So please explain your action either here, on SG's talk page, or the thread that was started on your own talk page (or someone point me to where this has been done). --Moni3 (talk) 13:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quick-fail - Writing is not close to FA standard. With the nominator blocked for using another editor's name to blatantly stack the vote, he/she can't respond to the opposes. With that being the case, I see no reason to keep this here. And that bullying was disgraceful too. Giants2008 (17-14) 14:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - 1. I question if the title is the English title and an appropriate title (it seems to be the foreign language acronym) according to MoS. 2. Sandwiched text in "Crest". 3. Seems to be half lists, which seems rather inappropriate to me. 4. Lots of words like "dominated" stick out and don't really belong in an encyclopedia. That's just a quick scan. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as the user is blocked and there are numerous issues to be resolved. Giggy (talk) 01:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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