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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 31 August 2019 [1].

Rock parrot[edit]

Nominator(s): Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a cute little parrot that has not been much-studied...meaning it is a shorter article than many bird articles. Still, I have scoured sources to make it as comprehensive as possible. Comment away and I will address pronto. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FunkMonk[edit]

  • I'll have a look soon, but as usual I've looked for some additional images which might be considered. FunkMonk (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • This image might show it feeding more clearly?[2]
  • This image shows the underparts more clearly, and the blue seems to be more popping:[3]
got 'em. the last is good as it is a photo of the other subspecies Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, didn't realise that. FunkMonk (talk) 22:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are a bunch of duplinks.
got 'em Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is inconsistency in whether you list scientific names or not.
got 'em Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't give a date for the synonym.
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Subspecies zietzi was described" What does that name mean?
no idea. presumably eponymous. will look more, nothing turned up yet Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is also a Calliostoma zietzi from Australia, so I assume Zietz is some person? Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz could fit the bill. FunkMonk (talk) 19:45, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Jobling names Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz here on an open access part of the HBW site - but in bird articles we generally don't specify the etymology of subspecies names. -Aa77zz (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is that any kind of standard, tough? In my experience, it's mainly just because subspecies etymologies usually can't be found when asked for, so in this case if we have it, and there are only two subspecies, it would seem like an oversight... But in something with like ten subspecies, where only a few have etymologies we can find, it would seem inconsistent to add only some. FunkMonk (talk) 06:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
OD by Mathews here - Aa77zz (talk) 06:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was genuinely intrigued by this so have added. thx for digging up! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:40, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It has paler and more yellowish plumage overall, though is of a similar size. Its plumage darkens with wear, and may be indistinguishable from the nominate subspecies when old" I would expect this info under description?
moved Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is Euphema now? Doesn't seem to have an article.
deprecated - synonym for Neophema Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Immature males and females closely resemble adults" Why specify their sexes when you already mentioned the sexes are alike?
to make it clear? will change Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems unclear if the subspecies are found in different areas?
Tried to clarify like this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The coloration" Colour? I guess Australian is like UK English in most regards?
just made it 'plumage' anyway Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:09, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "maybe a more desirable specimen" May be?
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "though the population worldwide is decreasing" Seems an odd way to put it,l as it doesn't have a worldwide distribution?
good point. Tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "historically reported that nests were found to contain" Reported that nests were historically found to contain"?
actually I just removed it Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "(Cakile maritima). chenopod species include" Capitalise chenopod at start of new sentence?
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Two subspecies are recognised." I wonder if it would be good to name both here? It may not be obvious to most regular readers that one subspecies is obviously N. petrophila petrophila as the nominate, a name not mentioned anywhere in the article.
tweaked - see above Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - seems everything was dealt with, looks nice! FunkMonk (talk) 12:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
thx! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:47, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aa77zz[edit]

Looks good with little to quibble about

  • range mentioned twice in lead. Consider mentioning that they mostly breed on islands.
rejigged and added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Salvadori - first page is 569
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the nests sites in the difficultly accessed positions." grammar
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Two subspecies are recognised." - perhaps cite ioc here as HBW and Forshaw 2006 Parrots of the World do not recognise zietzi.
reffed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "24 to 25 mm long by 19 to 20 mm (1.0 by 0.8 in) wide." - conversion is odd
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Gilbert's Noongar guides" - Noongar would need a link - but Noongar guides are not mentioned in cited source.
now this is tricky. The indigenous people of the Perth area were/are the Noongar. But you are right in that it is not in the reference. I guess I could say "local", "local native", "indigenous", "local indigenous".....changed to the last. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do they have a second brood?
yes. mentioned near the end of para 4 in Breeding section Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aa77zz (talk) 08:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I would prefer the use of the definite article before "English ornithologist", "collector John Gilbert", "Italian ornithologist" and "Biologist Donald Brightsmith" but it's your choice. - Aa77zz (talk) 11:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

added to three of them. Struck my as a bit laboured before "collector". Thanks for the support Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Chris857[edit]

"The coloration of this Neophema species, is duller than others" - remove the comma? Chris857 (talk) 05:47, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

removed 07:09, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Support Comments from Jim[edit]

Just a few nitpicks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • more yellowish (x2) — yellower seems more natural
hmmm, it's more that they are a yellowish olive rather than proper yellow... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • feral predators —feral mammals?
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • common at cliff faces at offshore islands —I’d replace one or both "ats" with "on"
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • it is one of four classified in the subgenus —missing "species"
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The legs and feet are dark grey, with a pink tinge on the soles and rear of tarsus.[12] —the tarsus, or tarsi
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • They then moult into adult plumage after twelve months of age.[13] — after… of age looks wrong
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Success rates in the wild are unknown —Breeding…
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Daisy species seed consumed —Daisy species’ seeds consumed
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Differentiating the genders —sexes
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All looks good, supported above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

thx! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To me, now the alt text of the last three images shows up as the main caption? FunkMonk (talk) 00:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Happy to pick up the SR on this one - not least because there aren't so many! Shall be done later today. KJP1 (talk) 08:23, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Source 2, Gould - a couple of things here. Any reason you don't link Gould, as you do Liddell etc. below? The date of the meeting is 1840, but the pub. date is given as 1841. Is this right?
no. linked and correct. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources 3, 6 and 13 use 10-digit ISBNs while 12 and 26 use the 13-digit format. I think consistency is preferred.
fixed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source 4 - You list this as E. Gould, J. Gould and H. C. Richter, but the link gives only Gould, who is listed as the author (singular). Worldcat also appears to have it thus, [4]. What am I missing? Also, does it need a publication location - London, United Kingdom, to match Source 5?
fixed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source 5, Salvadori - the pages the link takes me to are pp. 574-575, and these appear to be those that cover the Neophema petrophila. Not sure why the cite is giving pp. 569, 575? Although 569 is the page on which the section on Neophema starts, in which case, should it be pp = 569-575?
569 has no real info so removed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source 10, Jobling, J. A., J. A. - is the repetition of "J. A." intended?
no. removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources 13 to 21 - could these be grouped more simply as Higgins (1999) pp=549-554?
the pages are large and the information extremely dense and difficult to navigate - the exact page makes it alot easier Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source 25, CITES - I appreciate CITES is the title used on Wiki, but it threw me, not least because I first thought it related to Cite. Perhaps in full for clarity, Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora?
fixed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spot checks - not necessary, given the provenance, but I have spot-checked all of the on-line sources, all of which check out.
  • Coverage - birds are by no means my area of expertise, but the coverage seems scholarly and comprehensive.
  • A query - nothing to do with the Sources, but I'm puzzled by why this cute parrot is classified as being of Least Concern in conservation terms. With only 16 recorded as recently as 2017, it would seem pretty concerning to me! KJP1 (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ummm that would be the orange-bellied parrot not this one that has 17 individuals left.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks - all good. KJP1 (talk) 06:25, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. All good: this meets the FA criteria as far as I can see. - SchroCat (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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