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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 13:00, 31 December 2017 [1].

Rogožarski IK-3[edit]

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a pretty reasonable home-grown Yugoslav fighter aircraft of which only 12 were produced. Their pilots fought bravely against the April 1941 invasion of their country, but most if not all were destroyed in the fighting. The design was used as the basis for the locally built post-war S-49 fighter. This article went through Milhist A-Class review a year or so ago, and has been stable since then. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • File:Rogozarski_IK-3.jpg: bit confused by the sourcing here - is this own work, or taken from the given site? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:07, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Own work by the look of it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:01, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources review[edit]

The only thing I can find is that you need to lose "England" from the location of the Green & Swanborough book. Otherwise, sources look in good order and of appropriate quality/reliability. Brianboulton (talk) 19:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:22, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments[edit]

  • The first sentence of the lede is rather information packed and could profitably be trimmed of a couple of adjectives, IMO.
    Trimmed.
  • Link machine gun, prototype, Kapetan, windscreen, fuselage, airframe, undercarriage, hangar, squadron, regiment
    Think I got them all.
  • "Pilot group" reads oddly, perhaps evaluating pilots or somesuch?
    Changed.
  • What type of 20mm cannon armed the prototype?
    Good pickup, don't know how I missed that. It was a Hispano-Suiza 404, added.
  • in Belgrade and the parts were assembled at the company hangar Suggest replacing "the parts" with "then"
    Done.
  • Can any of the claims by the Yugoslav pilots be confirmed by German records?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    It isn't clear what claims were confirmed from German records and what weren't. Shores et al usually nominate recorded German losses, but don't differentiate the IK-3 victories from the ones by other aircraft.
    Thanks for the review, Sturm. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Supporting.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support from John[edit]

Kudos for writing an interesting article about a relatively obscure plane. It isn't there yet. Fuller review to follow. --John (talk) 23:12, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think I tentatively support, even though it is short, subject to these copyedits. HJ Mitchell, feel free to ping me next time you think I have forgotten to complete a review, which in fact I had. Sorry about that. --John (talk) 02:37, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks John, your copy edits were great. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harry[edit]

No disrespect to John, but "it isn't here yet" is not a particularly helpful comment, and doesn't leave a lot to go on.

  • The new streamlined low-wing monoplane design Several aircraft are mentioned in the section above; are we talking about the IK-3 here?
    • Have tried to make this clearer.
  • These pilots observed that the controls were highly sensitive but the only real criticisms related Is sensitivity of the controls a good thing or a bad thing? Why the "but"?
    • Good point, John editing it out.
  • distortion caused by the convex What do we mean by distortion in this context?
    • Visual, John picked this one up too.
  • although the Yugoslav aircraft The IK-3? And why "although"? "Although" has negative connotations but higher speed is usually a positive attribute for a fighter plane.
    • dropped, John got it.
  • placed an order with Rogožarski for 12 aircraft Why such a small order? Lack of confidence in the design? Budgetary constraints?
    • the sources don't say, but I think more than anything it was about the conservatism of the higher authorities combined with budget issues; they later put in a order for another 25.
  • at 5,400 m (17,700 ft) Perhaps make clear that this is altitude?
    • Done.
  • destroyed by factory personnel Deliberately? Scuttled? Sabotaged? The lead suggests it was a deliberate scuttling but this could be read as an industrial accident.
    • Deliberately, added.
  • was captured by the Germans in April 1941 and by the end of June a second IK-3 had been obtained Is there any need for the passive voice there? Do we know how the Germans managed this?
    • Unclear from the sources, but they may have been able to cobble together another one from the remains of the incomplete aircraft that were sabotaged by the factory personnel.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: this looks good to go, can I nominate a new one please? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed at GAN and ACR so would like to recuse as coord and walk through shortly, so Sarastro1 could you make the call on the above request? Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Ian[edit]

Having checked changes since my last edit around the time of the article's ACR, and performed a minor ce, I see nothing preventing elevation to FA status -- well done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ian! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:09, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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