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The article was archived by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 23 October 2020 [1].

Royal Calcutta Turf Club[edit]

Nominator(s):  Saha ❯❯❯Stay safe  06:10, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about... a 170 years old horse racing organisation/club in Kolkata, India. This is my first FA attempt. It became GA last month. Its DYK was done 7 years ago. A big thanks to Aymatth2 for that. He wrote the article beautifully. I also want to thank epicgenius for the GA review and guiding me. The article almost remained untouched since 2013, and suddenly I came across this. Then I went for a GA and now trying for FA.  Saha ❯❯❯Stay safe  06:10, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you consult Aymatth2, the main contributor, about whether the article is ready for FAC, per the FAC instructions? Do you have access to all the sources used by Aymatth2? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SandyGeorgia No I didn't consult. I was unaware of this thing. Although I informed him that I will be trying for FA. And I don't have access to some sources (if I try searching them more, I might find them).  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:53, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
See the FAC instructions. It is important that you have access to all the sources. And sometimes the main writer has feedback on whether the article is yet comprehensive. Might you consult with Aymatth2 on their talk page or via email? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SandyGeorgia Can Aymatth2 be the co-nominator? So, that he can work with the citations I don't have access?  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That would be grand! Just have him add his signature right after yours on the nom statement, so the bot will recognize both of you. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:15, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am glad to see the article being improved, but do not think I can take credit for getting it to FA status. I would have only used sources that were online at the time I was starting the article, e.g. in the 2–6 November 2013 versions, and have no special access apart from JSTOR. If some of those links have gone dead, I cannot help. I had no opinions or prior knowledge, and would have done my best to accurately reflect what the sources said while avoiding copyright violations. Good luck with it! Aymatth2 (talk) 17:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Right now I am unwell, both physically and mentally. So, I won't be able to respond to comments. Sorry.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:45, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ArnabSaha did you want to continue this nomination, or did you mean you want to withdraw? @FAC coordinators: ? You have a worthy nomination here, but reviewers need to know if you are still engaged. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SandyGeorgia Im covid positive. So, I want to keep it on hold. Sorry.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Lee Vilenski[edit]

I may end up claiming points towards the wikicup. Hope you don't mind! :P|

I'll take a look at this article, and give some comments on how it meets the FA criteria in a little while. If you fancy doing some QPQ, I have a list of items that can be looked at here - specifically FACs for 2020 World Snooker Championship and 1984 World Snooker Championship Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TBH I don't think I am experienced enough for it.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  13:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by SG[edit]

I think you have a viable candidacy here; I provide below only some spotchecks and random things I noticed-- not a comprehensive review. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:42, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Please try to vary the wording in these instances (sometimes that may necessitate re-casting or re-arranging the sentences):

  • Organised horse races were first held in India on 16 January 1769 at Akra (near Calcutta), where they were held for the next 40 years.
    • done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Meeting was held on a specially-constructed course inside the main course. Public interest in racing increased when races were held in the afternoon, and new stands were built in 1880.
    • done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 1883 the British House of Lords discussed an accusation against a Surgeon-Major Thornburn by the Lucknow Race Course of gambling irregularities which was upheld by the Calcutta Turf Club.[7] A court of inquiry looked into the accusation, and the Commander-in-Chief of India upheld the club's ruling.[7]
  • It is unclear how upheld is intended in the first instance; the second is legal.
  • Sorry, can you kindly clarify this a bit more?  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sorry; the sentences are a bit convoluted, so I may be misunderstanding or misreading. What is exactly was the determination, and how does a Club "uphold" that? What exactly did they do/say? They found a statement meritorious? They agreed with a complaint? How can a club make a ruling, which is a legal thing? I may be completely missing something here, and if others thinks this is OK, ignore me :) (If you are able to remember, please leave the spaces between items that I insert to make responses easier on my old eyes.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:45, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps provide more of the detail given in the source. He was accused of having a pony pulled. "The Stewards of the Lucknow race course found him guilty of the misconduct" which was confirmed by the Calcutta Turf Club (that is, I was confused how a Club can "uphold" which I think of as a legal ruling, but now I see the intended meaning). Then the conduct was reported to the Commander-in-Chief in India. It seems that they went after him because he didn't conform to the expectations of an officer ? And that was how it ended up at the British House of Lords? Is that correct? I'm sorry if I am being confusing, but it just needs better explanation. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:51, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • He was elected senior steward in 1955, a position he held for 27 years.
  • There is so much held in the article, that this presents an instance where you might use a different word, so the reader does not tire of held, held, held, held, held :)
  • Doing  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Overuse of however; pls review throughout.
    • After the closure of the Tollygunge racecourse, a new racecourse was opened by the club in Barrackpore during the 1920s; it was unsuccessful, however, due to poor attendance.
    • The first races were on a rough, temporary course wide enough for only four horses. Reformist governor Lord Wellesley disapproved of organised racing, and banned horse racing in 1798; five years later, however, the Bengal Jockey Club was formed to resume racing at Akra. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Punctuation or capitalization fix needed here:
    • In 1856, the Calcutta Derby was replaced by the Viceroy's Cup;[3] For this race, spectators were admitted by invitation only.[6] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:27, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Periodicals should be in WP:ITALICS SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Obituary Sir A.A. Apcar: The Times.
    • Late Sir A. A. Apcar: Straits Times.
      • done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:27, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
MOS
  • Whenever you express something in miles, a Template:Convert needs to be used to also express it in km. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:27, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sourcing
  • This returns a 404 error, and is highlighted as not reliable by Headbomb's script:
    • "Obituary Sir A.A. Apcar". The Times. 1913. Retrieved 3 November 2013. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Searching for the original link.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:27, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Citation formatting
  • This citation repeats the publisher as the author, while other citations do not use that format:
    • Rough Guides (1 October 2013). The Rough Guide to India. Rough Guides. ISBN 978-1-4093-4267-0. Retrieved 3 November 2013. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If I am interpreting the page correctly, "The Golf Doctor" is T. J. Tomasi.
    • The Golf Doctor (5 February 2009). "Unacceptable forms of gambling? You bet!" (PDF). The Charlotte Post. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ArnabSaha please see the instructions at FAC, and avoid using templates like {{done}}. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:49, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. GA habits...  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:44, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Fowler&fowler[edit]

  • I won't be reviewing but would like to make a comment. The lead says, "During its heyday, RCTC-organised races were among the most important social events of the calendar and were opened by the Viceroy of India." So, a reader might be pardoned for wondering, "Whose calendar?" Not of those in Calcutta and the Bengal in 1943, all three million, about whom Christopher Bayly had written:

    Hundreds of thousands died in their own homes, too proud to embarrass others with their fate. People lay down in the street and died, rather than resisting or looting the grain stores in the way the radicals wanted.

    Some disambiguation might be helpful. I'm not being sarcastic nor am I attempting to guilt-trip anyone, only suggesting that the picture should be more realistic. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fowler&fowler Thanks for the comment. At that time most of the things were for the upper class Indian people and the british...  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • So, some disambiguation or distinction of whose or what calendar might be helpful. The cited wording within the body of the article may be more appropriate, and mentions no calendar. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:54, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment - Unfortunately, it appears the nominator is not currently in a position to work on the nomination. Therefore, I will be archiving it shortly and it may be re-nominated after the customary two-week waiting period. --Laser brain (talk) 14:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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