Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sheffield Rules/archive1

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The article was not promoted 00:05, 31 March 2008.

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Sheffield Rules

Self nom. I've been reasearching/editing this article and recently published books as well as a peer review have got it up to what I hope is FA standard. josh (talk) 21:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comments

Issues resolved, Ealdgyth - Talk 02:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

• • You've mixed using the Template:Citation with the templates that start with Cite such as Template:Cite journal or Template:Cite news. They shouldn't be mixed per WP:CITE#Citation templates
  • (1862) Rules of the Sheffield Football Club is lacking publisher information
  • 1863 - The FA Forms is lacking publisher information at the very least.
  • Bell's Life 24 Feb 1868 is lacking publisher information at the least, author and other information would be nice.
  • What makes this http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/ a reliable site? Just from looking at an article on Anselm where I am familiar with the subject of the article, I'm not that impressed with the quality of the research. (It's wrong on motivations and causes) It also lacks any sort of sources. It's level of research on the Football Association may be better, I don't know.
  • The Football Association (1881) reference lacks publisher information and page number
  • The Dickens reference lacks a publisher and page number

"Sheffield F. C. - The Club" reference has no publisher information at the very least. I'm not sure the club itself is necessarily the best source for the information that they introduced a bunch of concepts into the game. You also repeat this reference later in the article, it could be combined. (current refs 2 and 52)

The Alcock Football: Our Winter Game reference needs a page number.

The History of English Football reference needs publisher information at the very least. It looks like it is self-published, at least I couldn't find any information on who puts the page out.

• Okay, now that it has a publisher, I'm still not sure it's a reliable source. The home page of the site doesn't list a staff, or editorial policies. The page itself doesn't list any sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Current ref 19 "Minutes of the Meeting" is lacking author and publisher information. Ideally it would be a published source so others can verify information, not in an archive.

• Did you replace this reference? Or am I going blind from reading so many footnotes? Ealdgyth - Talk 02:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The A. Drake "Sheffield Early Matches" ref lacks publisher information.

• Did you delete this reference?

"New' I just noticed that you have Hutton, Steve History of Sheffield Football Club and Hutton, Steve, Graham Curry, Peter Goodman History of Sheffield Football Club 150 Years of Football . Are these the same? If so, the first reference needs to be expanded to match the second. If they are different, the first reference should have a publishing year on it. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

All links checked out okay with the link checking tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I've sorted out most of the references and the majority now have page numbers. The only exception is Football: Our Winter Game that is difficult to get hold of so I won't be able to get a page number until I make a trip to one of the libraries that have it. I've replaced the club source with an independant article. Upon rechecking the sparticus ref I found that it was flawed so the sentance has been removed. josh (talk) 19:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The club ref has now been replaced with a bbc article (ref 2). I have removed the alcock reference as I can't get hold of a specific page. In the lead i've replaced it with positional innovations instead. I've replaced 'History of English Football' with a book reference (ref 19). 'Minutes of meeting' and A. Drake have been replaced with similar refs found within 'From Sheffield with Love' (refs 20 and 69). The confusion of the title with the Hutton book was down to varing titles on the cover and inside. I looked it up on amazon et al and they actually have the title as 'Sheffield F.C.' so i'm now using that (refs 25 and 46). josh (talk) 14:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

• Support. Very informative, well written, well referenced and supported by some nice images. Dan1980 (talk ♦ stalk) 20:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man

• Images shouldn't have specific thumbnail sizes, use WP:MOS#Images to find a suitable modifier.
• "that lasted three days " unusual, could use explanation.
• "Several sporting clubs had arisen " clumsy prose.
• Expand (and maybe link) AGM before using it.
• "Team photo of Sheffield " - photograph.
• "In 1861 Rouges " - why capitalise rouge?
• "An incident occurred when Nathaniel Creswick was being held by Shaw and Waterfall. Accounts differ over subsequent events. The original report stated that Creswick was accidentally punched by Waterfall. This was contested in a letter from the Hallam players that claimed that it was in retaliation for a blow thrown by Nathaniel Creswick. Whatever the cause the result was a general riot, which also involved a number of spectators, after which Waterfall was sent to guard the goal as punishment." needs citation.
• Place (FA) after the first mention of the Football Association.
• Birth of competition section has too many really short paragraphs, merge some to improve flow.
• Put (IFAB) after first mention of expanded version.
• "While causing much amusement when the side visited London in 1866, the header would become an important feature of the national game." citation needed.

That's about it, some work needed before I can support. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I've implemented all the changes you recomended. The two cite problems actually had cites at the end of the previous sentence. I have moved them to the end of the paragraphs to make it a bit clearer. I've updated the images as per MOS. josh (talk) 16:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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