Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Telecommunication/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 02:08, 1 June 2007.

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Telecommunication

A vital, core and good article that has previously been nominated for featuring (nom). The changes in this version include the trimming of some technical detail, a better discussion of telecommunication and society and some basic explanations to introduce the modern operation of the telephone, radio, television and Internet. Cedars 03:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

• Is the "Etymology" box necessary? Couldn't it be conveyed just as effectively at the beginning of the section? -- Phoenix2 ^{(talk, review)} 03:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

• The reason for the "Etymology" box is because the description stands alone. It could be integrated into the article but I don't think it would help the article's flow. If you feel it interrupts the article though, I could delete it? Cedars 11:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

• Object. Several sections, especially in the history supersection, are poorly cited. The Key concepts section also seems choppy and tries to cover a great number of topics in too short of a space without a proper organizational structure. RyanGerbil10(Don't ask 'bout Camden) 04:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

• Could you help me identify what parts of the article are poorly cited? The article has 60 citations, 16 of which are in the History section. I have also added some headings for the Key concepts section. I will continue to try to make some improvements to that section. Cedars 11:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

• It's just that the referencing is inconsistent. In the subsection "Early telecommunications," the development of a newtechnology carries a citation, while in the next paragraph, the first paragraph in the subsection "Telegraph and Telephone," there is no citation for the date (or inventors), or why they considered it to be an imporvement over old technology and not a new innovation. In the thirs paragraph of that same subsection, it is mentioned that the telephone is developed simultaneously by two different inventors. This is likely to be different from what most people know about the development of the telephone (which is that Bell invented it), and this statement should be sourced, but it is not. The references of the entire article need to be scrutinized. RyanGerbil10(Don't ask 'bout Camden) 05:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks, this helps me to understand exactly where the citations need improvement. Cedars 09:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose—1a and 1c. Great start to the article, though. I'll keep this brief, since I accidentally canceled out of the screen. Examples from the lead:
  • "In modern times, this process almost always involves the sending of electromagnetic waves by electronic transmitters but in earlier years it may have involved the use of smoke signals, drums or semaphore." Missing commas. The "today" in the following sentence is redundant.
  • "There are also many networks operating that connect these devices, including computer networks, public telephone networks, radio networks and television networks." "Networks operating" seems awkward, but then again, I'm sleepy :)
  • "Computer communication across the Internet is just one of many examples of telecommunication." is this a necessary sentence? If it is, you might want to drop the "just".
  • "In recent times, optical fibre has radically improved the bandwidth available for intercontinental communication, helping to facilitate a faster and richer Internet experience and digital television has eliminated effects such as snowy pictures and ghosting." Awkward ("...and digital television"); please chop the snake. This is entirely optional, but you can remove "in recent times" due to the present tense, just like "today" above. It's up to you; I don't really mind this, because it adds flow.
  • "Telecommunication remains an important part of the world economy and the telecommunication industry's revenue has been placed at just under 3% of the gross world product." Missing a comma.
  • As an afterthought, the list in the first section needs proper punctuation.
• These issues demonstrate the need for a thorough copy-edit throughout the entire article. Please locate copy-editors to help polish this potential gem. I agree with Ryan that the additional citations should be sprinkled throughout the article. Wikipedia has a borderline reliability with many people; therefore, we must add excessive citations to our articles to prove verifiability. If you are using one source for 2-3 paragraphs, just try to sprinkle a few citations throughout each para to demonstrate that the entire section is using that reference. Keep up the good work! — Deckiller 23:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.