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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 16:28, 24 October 2011 [1].

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The Emancipation of Mimi

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Nominator(s): CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 05:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for FAC simply because I think it meets the criteria. This is the second nomination as I had to close the first one due to my extended leave. This time I'm here to stay, so please review and help reach consensus :) Thanks everyone! CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 05:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:58, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

• Consecutive footnotes should be in numerical order - ex. [23][29] not [29][23]
  • Arranged
• Check formatting of quotes within quotes
  • Didn't see any of concern
• FN 15: capitalization
  • Corrected
• Check wikilinking - for example, you link PopMatters in FN 23 but not 20
  • Fixed and checked
• What makes www.gearlive.com a high-quality reliable source? http://www.contactmusic.com?
  • Removed Gear-Live. As for Contactmusic, its an entertainment website. I removed it in two instances, and left it for a few. All it is currently referencing is the location of the 2005 VMAs and a list of nominations. I see no issue in using a popular UK based entertainment website to source these statements. I would understand if they were sales claims etc, but this is simply media information. If you still require its removal, I'll happily oblige.
• Check italicization, for example in FN 29
  • Stylus Magazine is an online magazine (not printed), therefore it should not be italicized.
• Compare formatting on FNs 56 and 177
  • Addressed
• FN 202: page(s)? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:58, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Not sure what you mean, its an online ref. Thanks for the tips.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

• Comment. Forgive me, but I do believe that nomination was a bit premature. I had initially planned to raise a concern about the article, but did not realize that the FAC would come this soon. For such a massive record that all but redefined the singer's career, there is limited information about the actual writing process/studio sessions that produced the songs: there's only one paragraph, and it discusses only her collaboration with Dupri. I went ahead and researched, and was able to come up with this (you're probably going to have to search for the original document from which it was copied). At least we gain some insight into the thought processes behind the writing and recording sessions. Orane (talk) 17:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
  • As an addendum, I found this. If I'm not mistaken, the writing and recording section is an older version of this Wikipedia article. See if you can reclaim some of the text, and source and incorporate it here, and the section will be perfect. Orane (talk) 17:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Trust me Orane, I have been aware of that information on the older versions of the article. Unfortunately, have not been able to find any references that support these sessions etc. So, unfortunately, I cannot add any further detail of the albums recording. Know this, I took a lot of time into researching this, so understand that the article is about as complete as it can be. Thanks.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:22, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Spotcheck:

• ref #1[2] does not support the quotation: "I had worked myself very very hard for many many years and I never took a break, and last year, I had just become very very exhausted and ended up just not really in a good place physically and emotionally. I learned a little more about how to work hard but also how to be healthy and take care of myself, and now, in general, in my life, I'm in a really good, happy place." If it is behind a paywall, you should use the Format=Subscription required parameter.
• ref #2[3] checks out
• ref #6[4] does not support the statement: "During her five-month stay, she began writing and producing material for a new studio album, using some of the experiences she had gone through in recent months as themes for the albums material."
• ref #13[5] doesn't support the statement: "The Emancipation of Mimi was described by Carey as her most most expressive album to that point; in her words, it signified her creative freedom, as she was oppressed by the expectations of record executives in the past" It does ay "It's also a slap in the face to the Virgin boys who didn't have the guts to stick with the singer when times got tough." which is not quite the same thig.
• ref #122[6] supports the cited staatements
• ref 130[7] supports the quote
• ref 188[8] supports the statement - but it is English not Spanish. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Quick comment

• The issues remain unaddressed since its last FAC. To mention one, there are far too much information about the promotion section which actually is just a listing of live performances Carey had during that period. Aside from its trivial and fancrufty importance, most of them do not bear significance at all, just mere live performances which many artists do within the "promotional campaign period" for their newly released album. What makes this significant? "The following week, she performed "We Belong Together" at the 2005 BET Awards, with an additional appearance at the annual VH1 Save the Music special, filmed live on April 17 at the Beacon Theatre.[64][65][66][67]" And supported by four inline citations? How can that be justified? --Efe (talk) 13:47, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree. I don't think the article needs to mention every live performance of the singer for year-long duration of the album's promotion. Ín fact, I disagree that the information in this section is appropriate. We need to be reading about Carey's promotional campaign: live performances are a must, but we need to hear about what Carey or the record company was thinking during the weeks leading up to the release, as well as after the release (the promotional slogan "the return of the voice"; the idea of bringing her back to her roots; etc etc). If you decide to avoid this route, that's fine. But it's just a thought.

Also, a sentence in the "promotion" section reads "Following the tragic events involving Hurricane Katrina ... she was featured as a headlining performer at the Shelter from the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast concert charity benefit..." I doubt Carey was trying to promote the album at this event, and its mention in this section gives the impression that she was using the tragedy of the hurricane to promote/sell the album (an impression made clearer by the fact that you even included viewership numbers about the program!). Orane (talk) 05:49, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

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