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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 16:28, 18 November 2007.

The World Is Not Enough (song)[edit]

I'm nominating this article for FA because it has been doing well since long. Vikrant Phadkay 14:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • A lot of information here. Well written. Well referenced. Support. (Ibaranoff24 13:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Comment Oppose Comment: multiple unsourced paragraphs, particularly in Music video, but also elsewhere, and including some uncited quotations. At least one of those quotes also needs logical quotation, per MOS. In the same section, a couple of stubby paragraphs, and repetition of the android Manson. Various punctuation problems: a quote without a closing ", one ending ."[12]". Years on their own linked (well, at least one, anyway), and a strange hyphen hanging around after bridge. That's what I spotted on a very quick glance through it, so there may be more along these lines. Carre 14:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I have answered these issues below, so why oppose now? Vikrant Phadkay 15:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now changed comment to oppose. Carre 21:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Done It has all been corrected. Some of it was just trivia, probably kept after removing its section. Vikrant Phadkay 16:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
These are just examples, following another very quick scan through:
  • really quickly".[14] – logical quotes
  • Bond theme. [32] – citation placement
  • turned out."?"[30] – punctuation
  • version - 15 or 20 – dashes
  • "predictable "Goldfinger" permutation – punctuation
  • There remains at least one quote without citation
  •  Done The website in that sentence was not mentioned. Thats out. Vikrant Phadkay 16:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
These are "just" MOS things, for the most part, but again, this is only from a quick scan. In other words, it looks like it needs a copy edit. Carre 08:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done So MOS is now fine. I dont see problems about the other criteria. Vikrant Phadkay 16:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC) [Edit - I take it this was an answer to me, not Avala, so I took the liberty of moving it here... if that's a problem, just move it back. Carre][reply]
  • I just went through and fixed a few more. Can't see anything else personally, so I've gone back to comment now. That doesn't mean there aren't any more problems, just that I couldn't see them. Carre 16:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ☒N What is bothering you? Everything is done, I suppose.Vikrant Phadkay 16:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - well written. --Avala 01:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support since I improved the article for/during the GA nomination, I was already thinking about an FA nom. But we'll need to fix the broken refs. igordebraga ≠ 15:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to mention, as part of the WikiProject James Bond, that User:Vikrant Phadkay, who a recent contributor to this article, is currently on a short Wikibreak and will return soon and will answer queries then.  SpecialWindler talk (currently in control)  08:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have returned. Vikrant Phadkay 16:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments This article is good. I was expecting a stubby article when I saw this in the list, however it is very comprehensive and well written. There are a few things needing cleanup/attention.
  • "It is the third theme of the series sung by a Scotswoman (Shirley Manson) after..." -- This is interesting Bond trivia. However I would question whether it is worthy of mention in this article. And it is most certainly not notable for the lead. Also violates the point that the lead should not contain info. not discussed later.
 Done Removed, as I couldn't find any place to fit igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was always sure the lyrics were "there's no point in living if you cant feel alive", however I listened to the song again and it's undoubtedly "there's no point in living if you cant feel a life" as the article states. However the actors make reference to this line several times and it's the former - "there's no point in living if you cant feel alive" e.g. Elektra in the Casino, Bond confronting Elektra in Baku palace. For such an important line/part of the plot a discussion about the discrepancy would be good.
Check the lyrics, please. igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "For unspecified reasons the song was not allowed to be written in any studios based in USA" -- I'm guessing this whole paragraph is a brief summary of the section? Otherwise various elements need linked, i.e. the later quote that the work in Vancouver was "Garbagising" the song. Also since that is what is stated, perhaps written not the best word for "written in any studios..."
 Done Maybe Igordebraga edited it. Vikrant Phadkay (talk) 16:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Space missing between TND and "and Scott"
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wilson and Broccoli's status could be better explained than "principals of EON Productions" - what positions?
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same paragraph - "collaborating on the song" is redundant.
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Next para - Nobody Does it Better needs italicised. As does Sunday Times later in article.
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Paragraph beginning "Arnold was quoted on The World Is Not Enough DVD commentary speaking about the challenge of creating a Bond theme tune" and the one beginning "During an interview for documentary Bond Cocktail, David Arnold spoke of the challenges in creating a Bond score" should be linked I think. Yes score and theme not the same, but in terms of difficulty/challenges etc. they are.
 Done reworked both paragraphs into one about Arnold, and moved a quote to the last one
  • Again with the paragraph "Arnold was quoted on The World..." -- The punctuation is akward, dashes and brackets for no good reason. Also "which was ended up as the end title theme" is bad writing.
 Done removed igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Referring to MGM as plural - Companies should be singular, i.e. MGM initially disliked the song because it was a ballad and it had hoped for a theme song.
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same paragraph, rmv dash.
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Increasing use of bigger and bigger quotations as the article goes on. IMO the balance tips toward overuse - consider paraphrasing some and using the quotations as refs?
That will be a hell of a challenge - I started to turn some quotes into simple paragraphs.igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also MOS says " A long quote (more than four lines, or consisting of more than one paragraph, regardless of number of lines) is formatted as a block quotation" -- that would include many quotes in this article, e.g. the "part of the reason I thought Garbage would be such a good idea" quote.
Turned this one into BQ, will try more later. igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, this should stay limited. Too many blockquotes is a cleanup category and will target this article's GA status too. Vikrant Phadkay (talk) 15:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same para as above - "Arnold expressed his desire" sounds like he was talking prior to signing them? Maybe better say "expressed his rationale for wanting" or the equivalent of.
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • First instance of Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is spelled out, then the enxt instance is abbreviated. The correct format is first instance: Mr Kiss Kiss Band Bang (MKKBB) and second instance just: MKKBB.
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • One instance of MKBB - missing a K
 Done igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Initially, MGM had resisted composer David Arnold's suggestion to work with Garbage on the theme, they had wanted an artist a more mainstream profile, but Arnold convinced them that the group would bring a certain credibility and commercial clout to the Bond theme stable. Eventually the company relented, and the producers and the band reached a deal after a few weeks of negotiation" is too significant IMO to be uncited.
 Done This is nowhere in the sources and also contradicts many quotes. Removed.Vikrant Phadkay (talk) 16:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Butch Vig quoted around here but not introduced to later in the article as "drummer". Also he's quoted many times - the first instance should be Butch Vig and later just Vig. Too many "Butch"s - bit too informal.
 Done turned Butch into Vig igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Garbage drummer Butch Vig told CNN .... This was the first time we ever recorded with a 60-piece orchestra and that was a most excellent experience" is repitition.
 Done removed the orchestra part igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "scenes were filmed first(laboratory scene" space needed
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The director, Philipp Stoelzl, came " repitition - consider just using surname 2nd time.
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The version of "The World Is Not Enough" in the actual movie is a remix of the song, edited "
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The single just failed to give Garbage their sixth top ten hit, stalling just outside at #11, but had a nine week chart run, which as of 2007, no Garbage single has achieved previously or since" -- sentence goes on too long and uses just twice.
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in a surprisingly more sturdy digipack sleeve than the UK pressing;[37] both the printing and card sleeve was of better quality." an unnecessary fixation on the CD sleeve?
 Done how did I miss such cruft I'll never know.
  • "The single was a success in many European countries that had previously not been receptive to Garbage before"
 Doneigordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a disrepancy between the Holywood Reporter list and the Sunday Times denial issues by Arnold. So did the ones Arnold fail to deny audition?
 Done I have cleaned up the lines but the discrepancy continues. All sourced content ends (and OR begins) with David Arnold's denial. Vikrant Phadkay (talk) 16:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inclusion in other media section - 1st paragraph: too many Alsos - merge a few sentences.
 Done igordebraga ≠ 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mark83 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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