Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Western yellow robin/archive1
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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 30 September 2019 [1].
Western yellow robin[edit]
This article is about a cute little bird from southern Australia. I have scoured sources and reckon it's as comprehensive as it can be for the lay reader. Have a look and let me know what to fix. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:55, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
FunkMonk[edit]
- I know the images are a bit samey, but maybe this could be added anyway somewhere[2], since it is much higher res than the one in the taxobox from a somewhat similar angle? FunkMonk (talk) 09:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- "erected by Swainson" Spell out and link name.
- "The earliest records of the species" From when?
- "in the first collection of local fauna" Date?
- Seems odd now that only one person is presented with nationality and occupation.
- Eastern yellow robin (Eopsaltria australis) is linked and given scientific name twice.
- "Bird taxonomist Richard Schodde did not" Date?
- "Two analyses of mitochondrial and nuclear DNA" Dates?
- "revealed that the divergence between" Any estimate as to when it happened?
- "rosinae" Meaning?
- "families Eupetidae (Rail-babbler), Chaetopidae (Rockjumper) and Picathartidae (Rockfowl)" Why are all the common names capitalised?
- "The earliest recorded name is b"am-boore—reported by John Gilbert" When?
- 1839, but this fact has drifted and I can fix later. ~ cygnis insignis 17:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- is 1840 - added now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:27, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- I wonder what the thoughts behind describing subspecies differences and differences in range under taxonomy, I'd imagine readers looking for such info under description and distribution sections? In fact, some of the info from taxonomy seems to be duplicated under description.
- I guess again coloration should be colouration?
- Coloration is correct, as we have previously discussed. ~ cygnis insignis 17:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- "In Western Australia, it is found south and west of an imaginary line between Kalbarri and Norseman" What does this line divide, the subspecies? Or between these named areas? "Imaginary" makes this a bit confusing...
- This last point seems to have been overlooked? FunkMonk (talk) 09:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- Casliber? I can support once this is addressed. FunkMonk (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
- the species as a whole. Changed to name from "it". I thought it was unambiguous given its place in the paragraph....? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:47, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, I think the problem is that one would expect info on where the different subspecies can be found under distribution rather than under taxonomy. Anything that could be done about this? FunkMonk (talk) 09:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
- the species as a whole. Changed to name from "it". I thought it was unambiguous given its place in the paragraph....? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:47, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
- Casliber? I can support once this is addressed. FunkMonk (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
- This last point seems to have been overlooked? FunkMonk (talk) 09:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- "in dryer" Drier? English isn't my first language, but seems "dryer" refers strictly to the machine...
- "and are 18-22 mm long by 15-16 mm wide" Convert?
- oppose ~ cygnis insignis 17:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- I removed it already this FAC due to suggestion below - the range is so narrow in inches to be meaningless Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:20, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- "in the Australasian robin family Petroicidae" Only stated in intro.
- Not a big deal, but the intro seems to have a different order than the article body, since you give info on its naming last instead of first.
- Support - nice article, hope we'll get some photos of eggs and such one day. FunkMonk (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Aa77zz[edit]
Initial comments
- Who was John Gould? (English ornithologist and bird artist)
- Suggest you spell out the protonym.
- Possibly mention that the genus Eopsaltria had been erected by Swainson 6 years earlier for what is now the eastern yellow robin
- "Gould had called it "grey-breasted robin" in 1848," I suggest you cite Gould here - he includes a beautiful plate: Gould, John (1848). The Birds of Australia. Vol. Volume 3. London: self. Plate [12] and text.
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- (I'm not suggesting that you change the year, but Gould's work was issued in 36 parts: Eopsaltria griseogularis was in Part 12 issued in 1843 - the work was completed in 1848. see here)
- Spell out RAOU (and wlink?)
- Gould actually wrote B"am-boore for the local name (presumably " indicates stress) ie without an "n" and not bamborn (see link above)
- " weight of 20 g (0.7 oz)." - around 20 g?
- "The underparts are yellow and sharply delineated from the breast." sharply delineated - this isn't apparent in the photos.
- How do the tarsi differ?
- "They do not resemble any other species in its range." - plural then singular
Note that I don't have easy access to HANZAB - I would need to visit a library. - Aa77zz (talk) 15:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- Lead: "The position of the western yellow robin and its Australian relatives" etc - not mentioned in body of article. - Aa77zz (talk) 15:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- "In tall Jarrah-Marri forest" - these species aren't wlinked until the breeding section.
- "The maximum age recorded from banding" - this appears misplaced - perhaps better in Breeding.
- "by 15–16 mm (5⁄8–5⁄8 in) wide" - imperial measurements aren't helpful here (I prefer the decimal system)
- "The eggs are more elongated than those of the eastern yellow robin." Surprising - is there a more recent reference for this?
- Do the helpers feed the young?
- How long do the young stay in the nest before they fledge?
- Are helpers the offspring of the parents from a previous brood?
- HANZAB doesn't specifically say in this species entry but I have linked "helper" at first instance to Cooperative breeding which pretty much says yes for all species Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- Aa77zz (talk) 16:23, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- Reference 2: "Gould, Elizabeth; Gould, John (1838). A synopsis of the birds of Australia" - The wiki page on Gould explains that his wife Elizabeth prepared the plates. Elizabeth is not listed as an author on the title page of the volume.
- Reference 4: "Gould, J.; Gilbert, J. (1863). Handbook to The birds of Australia. v.1." - The title page only lists Gould as an author. Gilbert is mentioned in the preface but he died in 1845. The year on the title page is 1865. Worldcat doesn't list an earlier edition.
- Aa77zz (talk) 17:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Support - all looks good now. Note that I've tweaked some of the refs. - Aa77zz (talk) 12:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
image review
- What is the difference between lime and green?
- Suggest adding alt text. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:01, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Support by Nick-D[edit]
This article is in great shape. I have only two comments:
- "Although it is rated as least concern on the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN)'s Red List of Threatened Species, it has declined in parts of its range." - can you say over which time period?
- "The earliest recorded name is b"am-boore" - is it possible to note the names used in any other Aboriginal languages? Nick-D (talk) 10:51, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Support Thanks for those responses Cas. My comments are now addressed. Nick-D (talk) 08:32, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Source review - spotchecks not done
- FN4 should use pp not p
- Is FN4 or FN8 the correct formatting of that publisher?
- Be consistent in whether initials are spaced
- Be consistent in whether books include locations and/or retrieval dates
- Be consistent in how you format self-published works
- FN29: what kind of source is this? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:22, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- it appears to be part of a book but cannot confirm that. So using cite web format as it is from a reliable and authoritative website 05:34, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Comment from MONGO[edit]
Made a couple tweaks [4] and I support promotion to Featured Article. Nice work.--MONGO (talk) 13:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 23:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
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