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List of Celtic F.C. players

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• Featured list candidates/List of Celtic F.C. players/archive1

Nominator(s): ShugSty (talk) 13:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I have added sources for all appearance info, added photos and some narrative text to give some more context. ShugSty (talk) 13:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Comments sorry you've had to wait a month for any comments. Lead is a little brief considering the size of the list - I've added a couple more sentences (ShugSty 20/4/17) I would designate current players with some colour/symbol - I haven't seen this on other List of xxx FC players articles, but it does seem a good idea. I'll see what I can come up with (ShugSty 17/4/17) I've now highlighted the current players in green (ShugSty 20/4/17) Tables need row and col scopes per MOS:DTT - Done (ShugSty 17/4/17) Alec McNair image cannot be used here, has no fair use rationale for inclusion in this specific article - as it was myself who originally uploaded the image to Wikipedia, I've taken the liberty of amending the fair use rationale. The guidelines appear to allow for a non-free image to be used in more than one article, and given the duration of his Celtic career it seems more than reasonable for the image to be used in a list of notable Celtic players. Please advise if this is ok. (ShugSty 17/4/17) It might be okay, but you need to mention (and link) this explicit article title to the fair use rationale on the image page itself. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:59, 20 April 2017 (UTC) Any reason why "John "Dixie" Deans" has his nickname included? - I've amended this to "Dixie Deans" as he is generally only ever referred to by his nickname rather than his "real" name of John (ShugSty 17/4/17) And Rab? - I'm inclined to leave this as "Rab Douglas" as he is generally only referred to as Rab rather than Robert (ShugSty 17/4/17) If that really is the case, then the article probably should be moved to his WP:COMMONNAME. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC) Agghh! I tried, but there's already a redirect page called "Rab Douglas". I'll just change name in list to Robert to keep things simple(r) (ShugSty 20/4/17) Ľubomír Moravčík is missing a few diacritics - amended (ShugSty 17/4/17) Dianbobo Balde is missing his diacritic too - amended (ShugSty 17/4/17) Nir Biton has two t's in his surname - amended (ShugSty 17/4/17) Why separate the club captains? Denote them in the main table and add their victories etc in the notes - I'm keen to keep this table; it details time periods the players were captain (as opposed to just their time at the club) as well as honours won. I wouldn't be overly keen to add their wins into the general table as it would probably be a bit unwieldy (ShugSty 17/4/17) Many of those footnotes need inline references - actually all the footnotes are referenced in the table itself, although I could also include them on the list of footnotes itself (ShugSty 17/4/17) * Actually, due to the way I've set up the footnotes, I can't place a citation in the list of footnotes itself (ShugSty 20/4/17) The Rambling Man (talk) 23:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC) More: "The Celtic Football Club" I've never heard it referred to as "The ...", is that something I should be aware of? In any case, it's not the title of the article, or even close so I'd unbold it and link Celtic F.C. in there instead - Done (ShugSty 20/4/17) Sorry, still think the lead is a little too brief. Add something about captains in there? Done (ShugSty 21/4/17) "He is also the record goalscorer in British football..." is that explicitly referenced somewhere? - Yep, there's a note and an inline citation in the "Notes" section of the table for him (ShugSty 20/4/17) The asterisk is missing from the current players - Not keen on having an asterisk, so I've removed it (ShugSty 20/4/17) No, you need a symbol as well as the colour per WP:ACCESS. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC) Okey, dokey; asterisk back into key and added to current players (ShugSty 20/4/17) Hyphens in the captains table could be converted to en-dashes - Done (ShugSty 20/4/17) The Rambling Man (talk) 18:59, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Harrias

;Comments from Harrias talk I think the lead could do with clarifying "Lisbon Lions" slightly. It sounds as though that's another football team altogether. I know there is a link which explains it, but for Featured content I think it should be made clearer in the article. Maybe something like "part of the Celtic team nicknamed the "Lisbon Lions""? - Done (ShugSty 25/4/17) Ref #6 needs an access date - Done (ShugSty 25/4/17) Ref #13 needs a author details and published date - Done (ShugSty 25/4/17) Ref #16 needs a publication date - Done (ShugSty 25/4/17) Ref #26 needs an access date - Done (ShugSty 25/4/17) Ref #31, "Meet our latest Weekend Wonder: Paul Elliott", doesn't seem to have anything about Paul Elliott? - hmmm, looks like the link is now dead and just reverting to the website's home page. I'll see if there's an archive copy of the article on Wayback (ShugSty 25/4/17) Sorted (ShugSty 25.4.17) Mostly nitpicking from me really; this is a top piece of work. Harrias talk 00:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

• What makes the Vale of Leven website a reliable source? It looks self-published to me? - it seems to be run by a group of local historians in that area, the articles there seem to be of a fair quality. Not sure I can definitively confirm it as a reliable source, but is there anything to suggest the content there is unreliable? (ShugSty 25/4/17)
  • It has a button to "Contribute content" and no evidence of what WP:SOURCE asks for: "a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." It is probably fine, but for a Featured article, I'd rather see a more robust source for this information, if possible. Harrias ^talk 10:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Done (ShugSty 1/5/17)

• Comments from Dweller

Forgive me if some of this goes over old ground.

• The inclusion criteria are >100 games or "regarded as having played a significant role for the club". Can you defend the arbitrariness of the former and the apparent POV of the latter? The "100 apps" is a standard for lists for other clubs. I agree that the latter may be considered POV, hence the notes column with explanation & reference. (ShugSty 19/5/17)
• Did you know that Jimmy McGrory is the record goalscorer in British football with 550 goals? I didn't. But there's no need to tell me on no fewer than three occasions. Arguably, in an article about Celtic records, not British ones, you could not mention it at all. Once will suffice. Uh? Ok, its highlighted in the lead paragraph and in the caption for the mugshot for him. And the third is in the notes column which highlights a player's notability (and includes the required reference). (ShugSty 19/5/17)
• "Henrik Larsson has more appearances for Celtic than any other overseas player." Packie Bonner has more. Which seas are you including? In UK, overseas refers to outwith British Isles (GB + Ireland); I've wiki-linked overseas to British Isles if that helps (ShugSty 19/5/17) I've now rephrased to ".. player from outwith British Isles..." for further clarity (ShugSty 19/5/17)
• "He effectively founded the Kelly dynasty of directors at Celtic, who by and large controlled the club until 1994" I can't see what the cited source says, but the "effectively" is an alarm bell for me. Either he did or didn't. And I'm not sure what "by and large" implies - could mean there were periods that the family weren't controlling the club, or could mean that the family didn't really control the club. Well, he didn't intentionally form a dynasty, simply several of his descendants went on to feature in the board over the next 90 odd years, hence "effectively". Also, the family didn't by themselves ever have full control of the club, but were very dominant. (ShugSty 19/5/17)
• The mention of Scottish caps right at the end of the lead begs questions about most Scottish caps and most others. Uh?? Oh,a ctually, I get what you mean now. Pat Bonner won the most caps whilst at Celtic, whilst I think Paul McStay won the most Scottish caps. These facts are mentioned (and reffed) in another article, so yes, I'll add a sentence or two shortly (ShugSty 19/5/17) Done (ShugSty 19/5/17)
• The captions are generally too long and too repetitive of the text. I'd add that I find the need for referencing in captions odd. The text that should be cited should be in body copy. Yep, I'll try and sort out (ShugSty 19/5/17) Trimmed the captions a bit, and moved the references elsewhere. (ShugSty 19/5/17)
• Footnote 1 - what makes FitbaStats reliable and what's the link? Refer earlier response to Harrias (ShugSty 19/5/17) Apologies! It was another article's review I responded to for a similar question. Anyway, FitbaStats has been going since 2010 and I find it to be a superb reference for Scottish football stats. One of the co-founders (Bobby Sinnet) also is the author of two published books about Hibernian F.C. (ShugSty 19/5/17)

Cheers --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:42, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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