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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 00:09, 28 August 2008 [1].

List of Sunderland A.F.C. players[edit]

I have nominated this article for featured list candidate as I feel it satisfies the criteria, and I would be willing to address any concerns raised in the FLC as soon as possible. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 14:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support- Execellent and well written list. Mackemfixer (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Some of the players' positions are very generic, while others are quite specific. For example, there's only one attacking midfielder, but I'm sure that more than one attacking midfielder has played for Sunderland in the past. Therefore, I would suggest that you make the positions generic for all players, using "Goalkeeper", "Defender", "Midfielder" and "Forward" as the four options. In the case of players who played in the 19th century and early 20th century, full-backs should be classed as defenders, half-backs as midfielders and outside, inside and centre forwards should be classed as forwards. – PeeJay 15:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved stuff from Mattythewhite
  • Comments
    • "Alf Common, The first..." - no capitalisation needed for "The". Done
    • Jimmy Montgomery's years are wrong in the lead. Done - Ouch, i got that one way wrong, I must have been asleep.
    • "...for the club, two, Danny Collins..." - needs rewording. Done - Reworded.
    • I'd change the "Statistics are correct as of" bit to the last game, which was on 11 May 2008. Even though it will probably need updating tomorrow... Done - Changed.
    • Not sure about the column titles "SAFC profile" and "Country profile". Maybe "Club source" and "National source", or something along those lines. Done - Changed.
    • Are the internationals players those who played for their country whilst at the club or during their whole career? Comment - Only whilst at the club.
    • You may be aware, but a few internationals, like Sandy McAllister and Charlie Thomson don't have country profiles. Done - McAllister didn't play for Scotland while at Sunderland, I mistakenly bolded the country, and have added Thomson's profile.
    • Shouldn't Bert Johnston's nationality be bolded? Done - Bolded, must have missed that one.
    • Jimmy Montgomery's link is incorrect - it links for Len Ashurst. Done - Added correct link.
    • Consecutive footnotes should be ordered numerically, so "[10][5]" needs fixing. Done

Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 10:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • More comments
    • "...in the clubs 100..." - apostrophe needed in "clubs". Done
    • "...of them includes current..." - I'd change "includes" to "including". Done
Nearly there now. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • You may want to separate notes from references, as you have done with Sunderland A.F.C. seasons. Would make the notes readable and the reference section much smaller. Done - Added Footnotes section.
  • Have a check through the references. ##1 and 13 are the same ref, so you could combine. Newspapers go in the work parameter in cite templates, not publisher. #11, #15 have unnecessary capitals. #12 book sources don't need access dates. Done - Fixed.
  • Date joined and left column headings are misleading, if as you said at the PR the years represent first and last first-team game played.
    • Comment - Do you think it would be best I just had a single column for the career span instead of separate columns for joined and left? Sunderland06 (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • If you want to be able to sort on year of last game, stay with separate columns; if not, probably one column is clearer, particularly for players with two spells at the club. Either way, perhaps you could add a note above the table, or a footnote attached to the column heading(s), saying the year indicates the player's first and/or last first-team match for the club. I might go and do the same for some other list :-) Done - Added footnotes.
  • Also, you have typos in Jimmy Millar's dates. Done - Fixed. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

Big problem with the club source and national source columns. Using external links means that there is no reference list at the bottom of the page to refer to. The short "Notes" section should actually be "References", and all of these links should be converted to references using the {{cite web}} template so that they appear in this section. This is the only problem I see with the list, but it's a big one. Currently, I oppose, but will reconsider if this is corrected.
Additional comment: "club's 100 year centenary season" - redundant, just say "centenary season". Remove "100 year".

Oppose from Killervogel5

The article did have a massive reference list at the bottom, but the problem was that other references became swamped with about 250 player profile references around them, It is really just a way of keeping it organised and tidy. Sunderland06 (talk) 19:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is tidy-looking; unfortunately, being tidy and following MOS don't always line up perfectly. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 19:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay KV5, thanks for pointing out about the embedded links, I would never have guessed it was a MoS violation, anyways... I've added the international profiles to references. I was wondering if a general reference for stat cat, where all the club profiles come from with the usual accessdate, and then if I pointed it out again in the club profile column that all the club profiles come from stat cat, with accessdate etc. So it would keep the embedded links but as if they were references, seeing as though they would be covered by the general reference. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 23:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For me, that's perfectly acceptable. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 02:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, great, I'll begin on that shortly. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 13:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done - Added general ref and note. Sunderland06 (talk) 14:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Killervogel5

Comments

Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am very sorry about the wait, I have been occupied and this thing just slipped my mind. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 17:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To determine the reliablity of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliabilty that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Ealdgyth - Talk 21:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Bill_Walsh is an ambiguous link. — Dispenser 00:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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