Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of UEFA club tournament winning managers

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The list was promoted 00:26, 26 March 2008.

List of UEFA club tournament winning managers[edit]

This is an overview of the various specific lists that I've enhanced over the past few weeks. It summarises various successes of managers, it's illustrated, factually accurate and forms an umbrella (hopefully to make a potential featured topic main article) to the sub-articles. As always, I'm completely open to criticism and debate over what I've written and encourage the community to give it to me, both barrels. Thanks for your time. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

"As of March 2008" - Is someone going to update this every single month? There's a template somewhere that does it automatically. Alternatively, put the month of the most recent tournament, and users can perform manual updates after each Final. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 21:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, well this usually an accepted way of keeping a definite timeframe of accuracy on a statistical article which will need occasional updates (only four times a year!), so I'm not sure this really needs to be changed. However, I'm interested in the template you've mentioned, any more info on that? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTYEAR}} produces May 2024, and will update automatically. (Don't worry about the redlinks. I don't now why they're there, they just are.) -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Weird, those links don't work.... for me.... but Matthew, could you tell me if you'll object if this statement remains? Just curious... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - No, the links don't work, but if you just copy it as it appears, into the article, it will work. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 21:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        I added them to the article myself, although it wouldn't have stopped me from supporting. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 22:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 22:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As you've excluded the Fair's Cup, to be consistent you should exclude here and at the relevant list the first Super Cup too. --Dweller (talk) 14:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment2 I strongly disagree with the use of "current month". If no-one edited this article again for 2 years, the reader would think it was up to date. --Dweller (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. I didn't think of that. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 21:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Response to Dweller, I've replaced the templates back to plain text and I've also added a note here that the first Super Cup is excluded from the statistics. I think it's still relevant over at the Super Cup page, it's noted there as well that the title is unofficial and is probably worth listing along with the three tournaments that didn't happen for other reasons... Whaddya reckon? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support as long as Zlatko Čajkovski's sortname is sorted out (no pun intended). Also, although it's not a dealbreaker, I'm mildly confused by the sorting of names with "del", "van", etc in, which currently sort by the "other" part of the surname e.g. Aad de Mos sorts with the "M"s. Surely the "del"/"van" is part of the surname? You wouldn't sort Paul McCartney with the "C"s in a list of musicians....... ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, I'm confused too. I think I'll go through the lists and make that a consistent sorting scheme, sorting on the de rather than the subsequent surname bit. Thanks, and I'll try to sort out Zlatko...! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- All fixed I think Chris... Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 10:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A great, simple list. But just some queries to make with the totals table.
- I have Argentina down as 4-0-2-0-8
- You've missed Czech Rep off 0-1-0-0-1
- I have England as 8-6-6-3-23. Peanut4 (talk) 11:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hmm, despite the A-levels, it seems maths isn't my strong point any more! Fixed appropriately, thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Now spot-on. Great work. Peanut4 (talk) 11:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Just one question though, why is Valery Gazzaev listed with a soviet union flagicon, and not a Russian one when he won the UEFA Cup after the collapse of the soviet union? Other than that it's superb NapHit (talk) 16:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks NapHit. In response, the flag represents the nationality of the coach at birth, and Gazzaev was born in Ukraine in 1939 as part of the Soviet Union. Accepted, he won UEFA post-CCCP but I'm sticking with manager original nationality, not necessarily nationality when winning the title... Unless you can spot a problem elsewhere with that! Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nah that's fine you've answered my query NapHit (talk) 18:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support another goodie off the conveyor belt. --Dweller (talk) 10:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great list, well done. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A lot of teams treat the Super Cup as something of a mickey mouse tournament, so it seems odd to give it equal weight. However, I'm not sure what to suggest as an alternative. One thing which definitely does need doing is the addition of Gérard Houllier, who has been omitted. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - sure they do, but UEFA recognises it as a club tournament with a clearly defined winner. It's not up to us to decide on the notability, UEFA consider it a club tournament. But you're right, Houllier has disappeared. Thankfully he's already made a reappearance! Thanks for the good spot... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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