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List of songs written by Tove Lo[edit]

List of songs written by Tove Lo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Paparazzzi (talk) 07:52, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have been working on it for the past days and I think it meets the criteria for a FL. Tove Lo is a Swedish singer and songwriter who has not only written songs for herself but for other artists too, and this list features all of those songs, and it is referenced with sources such as the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers and Broadcast Music, Inc.. Paparazzzi (talk) 07:52, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47
  • All of the images need an ALT description.  Done
  • There are some instances where you say "Lo" instead of "Lov" so double-check to make sure you correct this.  Comment: The nickname of the artist is "Tove Lo", not "Tove Lov". I understand, it is kind of confusing!
  • Oops, sorry for my mistake. Aoba47 (talk) 04:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is more of a clarification question, but do we know who Lov offered "Love Ballad" to (you identify the person as "an artist" and I was just curious if we know exactly who this person is)? If not, then it is fine as it currently stands.  Comment: Sadly, no. Lo never revealed the name of the artist.
  • Thank you for the clarification. Aoba47 (talk) 04:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Paparazzzi: Very strong list! I just have two rather minor comments and one clarification question. Once my comments are addressed, then I will support this nomination. Aoba47 (talk) 15:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: I have addressed your comments! Thank you so much for the review . Regards! --Paparazzzi (talk) 03:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Great work with this! Good luck with this list. If possible, could you look at my FLC as well? Aoba47 (talk) 04:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: Ok, I'm going to take a look at your FLC. Regards . Paparazzzi (talk) 19:19, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 19:21, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The FLC has been left without comments for a while. Here's some.
  • Would it be possible to split up the lead into four paragraphs? Two very long paragraphs can be hard to read.  Done
  • The lead could potentially be cut down to the key songs written by her as the lead doesn't necessarily need to replicate the table. Also at 29 years of age we presume she still has a long career still ahead of her (more in future to write about)  Comment: I think these are her key songs, at least by now; we can't know if she will write more songs (WP:FUTURE).
At 793 words, it is on the higher side for a lead. Normally leads aren't larger than 700 words and artists with longer careers than Tove Lo have had their songlist summarised in a shorter lead. List of songs recorded by Lady Gaga, List of songs recorded by Ricky Martin, List of songs recorded by Katy Perry, List of songs recorded by Taylor Swift. Consider cutting down on the song mentions which are basically "Tove Lo wrote this song" and rather focus on the ones which received accolades, were commercially successful or were career turning points for the artist. Cowlibob (talk) 11:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: Ok, I understand. I'm a little bit busy in real life, can I have some days more to address your comments? Thank you, --Paparazzzi (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowlibob: I did what you suggested. Regarding the third paragraph, I mentioned both "Love Ballad" and "Habits" because those were the songs that encouraged Lo to continue her career as a singer, and also gained her a record deal. I don't know if you want me to cut down more information from that paragraph... --Paparazzzi (talk) 04:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the way that rowspans have been used in the table may impair screen readers so can be an accessibility issue.  Done
  • You could add sorting to the main table such as List of songs recorded by Ariana Grande  Done
  • Golden Globe Awards reference should have publisher as Hollywood Foreign Press Association  Done
  • Ref 19 needs Billboard to be linked  Done
  • Ref 49 Yahoo! Music could be replaced with a better reference  Done
  • BMI should be Broadcast Music, Inc.  Done
  • ASCAP should be American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP), linked at first mention  Done
  • Try to replace any links to commercial sites such as iTunes as these are avoided on Wikipedia.  Done
  • Consider archiving the references  Comment: I have already archived the most "vulnerable" links, thanks for the suggestion

Cowlibob (talk) 12:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: Thank you so much for the comments! I have addressed all of them. Regards, --Paparazzzi (talk) 22:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good list. Cowlibob (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: Thank you for everything! Regards, --Paparazzzi (talk) 02:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 12:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Looks good overall. These are my edits, please revert if you disagree with any of them.  Comment: Thank you! --Paparazzzi (talk) 04:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The caption of the lead image isn't a complete sentence, so doesn't need a terminating full stop. Done
  • The penultimate sentence in the second paragraph repeats both "writing" and "personal" in quick succession – try "she avoids drawing from her own experiences so that the songs do not become personal" instead. Done
  • WP:CAP suggests, in the interests of succinctness, not having captions any longer than three lines. I'd suggest removing the second sentence in the Ellie Goulding caption. Done
  • "Like You" needs to be below "Like Em Young" when the page first loads.  Done
  • Is there any particular reason that some of the artists, albums and years span over multiple rows? I don't think I've ever seen that in a FL of this type before...  Done (Cowlibob fixed that! :D)
  • Per WP:SEEALSO, links that already appear in the article or any nav boxes needn't be also included in the See Also section.  Done

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 08:23, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your comments. Right now I'm kinda busy in real life, can I have some days to address your comments? Regards, --Paparazzzi (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowlibob:, @A Thousand Doors: I have addressed your comments! Thank you again, --Paparazzzi (talk) 04:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does "N/A" mean in the Artist column? Are these songs that were written but never recorded? How do we know about them?  Comment: Those songs are registered either on ASCAP or BMI, but it is not specified who has recorded them, or if they were written but not recorded. I don't know if you want me to create a note specifying that... --Paparazzzi (talk) 04:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Artists needs to sort under their surname (Template:Sortname is good for this). The Saturdays needs to sort under S.  Done
    • The artists are still sorting under their first names. Use {{Sortname|Tove|Lo}}, {{Sortname|Victoria|Justice}}, {{Sortname|Adam|Lambert}}, etc. to fix this. Obviously, this wouldn't apply to names like, say, Cinnamon Girl or Seven Lions. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 12:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)  Done[reply]
  • Similarly, songs and albums beginning with "The" need to sort under the second word in their title.  Done
  • For sortable lists, every item needs to be wikilinked, rather than just the first example, in case sorting moves the linked item to the bottom of the table.  Done
  • The images are quite wide, and, on my screen at least, are squashing the table. Add |upright somewhere to each image's code to narrow them slightly. Done
  • Not a FL criterion, but it might be worth considering adding archive-urls to any weblinks to prevent WP:LINKROT.  Comment: Working on that...

Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 12:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @A Thousand Doors:, I have addressed your comments, I'm just working on your last comment (that is not a FL criterion). Thank you so much for your time Regards, --Paparazzzi (talk) 02:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: I tried to archive some of the links, and it is kind of impossible I don't know why, but the archive.org, archive.is and webcitation don't archive the sites (BMI and ASCAP), I don't know what to do in that case.Paparazzzi (talk) 06:07, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tantalisingly close, just a couple of final comments from me. If "N/A" simply means that the artist is unknown, why not just use "Unknown", the same way that you have for the year column? Then you could remove it from the key entirely (yes, I do remember that it was me who suggested putting it there in the first place). Also, if you're struggling to archive some URLs, check first if they've already been archived by the Wayback Machine. If not, then try webcitation.org. There's not much more you can do if they won't archive them either. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@A Thousand Doors: I have addressed the first comment. Regarding the second one, I have done what you suggest me to do, but both ASCAP and BMI can't be archived by the Wayback Machine or Webcitation. I don't know what to do. Regards and thank you for your comments, --Paparazzzi (talk) 03:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If certain webpages can't be archived then there's really nothing more that you can do. Great work! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • " and for other artists as well." -> "as well as for other artists."  Done
  • " lyrics of their" maybe an ENGVAR thing but I'd say "lyrics for their"...  Done
  • "released as the " released it as the ...?  Comment: changed to "which was released as...", because Lo did not release the single but the label
  • " for the Golden Globe, Grammy and Critics' Choice Awards" reads oddly to me, spell it out rather than just say "the Golden Globe" which isn't particularly meaningful, presumably it was a specific Globe...  Done
  • General: per WP:LEAD I'd expect no more than four paragraphs here.  Done Reduced to four
  • "It contained six tracks" contains.  Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:50, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I have addressed your comments.Thank you so much, Paparazzzi (talk) 19:09, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "which talks about 'different kind of rushes in life'". This bit is ungrammatical at the moment. I would change one word in the quote to "kind(s)"; the MoS does allow for such minor changes inside quotes in situations like this.  Done
  • In the intro's photo caption, we don't really need "pictured" in parentheses, as it's fairly obvious to readers that this will be a photo of Lo. The other photos refer to both Lo and a singer, so there could be some confusion as to who is in the photo; that isn't the case here.  Done
  • In the table, A l'infini isn't sorting in the right order in the Album(s) column. This is because of the Latin character at the start, and will require a sorting template to fix.  Done

Giants2008 (Talk) 00:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: I have addressed your comments. Thank you, Paparazzzi (talk) 01:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – The fixes all look good, and I believe this meets FL standards now. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! Regards, Paparazzzi (talk) 23:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Paparazzzi this just needs a source review now and then it's good to go. Hopefully you can find someone to do a spot check? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I checked the links by myself. There were eleven dead links, that I replaced/archived. Regarding the format of references, Cowlibob left comments about it, comments that I have addressed. I don't really know what else to do here, since this is my fist FLC and I don't really know many users. Regards, --Paparazzzi (talk) 03:55, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mmm, the references that I replaced now appear as ""soft 404". Is it a problem? because they actually work. Regards, Paparazzzi (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well the point of the source check isn't just to identify if they're alive or dead, but to ensure they actually reference the material they're claiming to, hence it's usually conducted independently of the nominator. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Aoba47 will do a spot check tomorrow night! Paparazzzi (talk) 19:55, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Source review by Aoba47
  • Note that the access dates are not necessary in the references that are archived as the archive date covers that (no real reason to have three dates, publication/access/archive, in the citations as it is a lot).
  • While checking this, several references have the message "Soft 404" as indicated by The Rambling Man above me. However, the links are working fine for me, and all of the information is supported through the references. Spotchecks and formatting checks passed. Aoba47 (talk) 00:00, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, Aoba!
@The Rambling Man: I have addressed Aoba's comments. So now that the source review has been done, I guess the list can be promoted. Regards, Paparazzzi (talk) 04:32, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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