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June 7

Anthony Bustos and Sara Isaacson, DADT activists

I'm new to this whole thing, but I really believe that Anthony Bustos [1] [2] and Sara Isaacson [3] should have a wikipedia page of their own detailing their own story. They are two of the youngest soldiers to do so in such a public way. I know I can go through facebook and myspace and google their names and get info, that's no problem, I just fear I would not do them justice and want to throw the idea out there hoping someone more experienced will take the ball! Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotsupporter (talk • contribs)

They most likely would not be notable enough, so an article couldn't be made on them, but you may be able to mention them in an existing article. QwerpQwertus (talk) 02:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

You could concievably make a case for Sara Isaacson. There's quite a bit of coverage out there, and her particular case is a new twist on the implications of Don't ask, don't tell. However, unless there are further significant developments she's probably an example of WP:BLP1E. I'd suggest adding a paragraph on her to the Don't ask, don't tell article. Anthony Bustos has less coverage and his case doesn't seem to add anything new to DADT, other than another example of someone who faced dismissal for coming out to his employer. I'm not sure he'd satisfy WP:N either on his own or as a featured example in another article, although he could be mentioned as part of an in-article list of "victims" of DADT, if such a thing existed. Karenjc 09:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

How to Report Duplicate Pages?

I have discovered two Wikipedia pages with different titles that cover the exact same subject. How should I report this duplication so the pages can be combined? JimJ821 (talk) 01:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Which pages? See Help:Merging, but we can give more specific advice or maybe handle it right away if you say the precise page names. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

parts

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 – Friendly reply, technically outside scope for this page. – ukexpat (talk) 17:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, i am a tech guy that needs to buy parts for radio shack electronics. If possible could some one help me? THANKS!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.246.31 (talk) 04:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

See http://www.radioshack.com. Most Radio Shack retail stores also still maintain a small, dedicated section for electronic components, even though the bulk of the stores have become largely cellphone stores. In much of the U.S. you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Radio Shack, they are fairly ubiquitous. The website, however, sells a wide range of electronic components, though you may get better help by going to a store in person and speaking with a live person who can help you find the parts you are looking for. --Jayron32 05:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone fix this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_36ers#Roster

When u click edit on the template it says deleted page or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eathb (talk • contribs) 09:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea how to fix it, since it seems to be triple-transcluded from {{Tnavbar-header}}. But it's because the template is {{Adelaide 36ers roster}} and the edit links to {{Adelaide 36ers}}. {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 09:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Have a look at PBC CSKA Moscow, which uses Template:PBC CSKA Moscow for its roster. That makes use of Template:RBSL roster header, which has a built-in assumption that the name of the roster template will match the name of the team's page. So you need a Template:Adelaide 36ers. Does this help? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Since the tnavbar's use in {{RBSL roster header}} includes {{{team<noinclude>|{{PAGENAME}}</noinclude>}}} one way to to fix this is to change team=Adelaide 36ers at the top of the template at issue to team=Adelaide 36ers roster, but I'm not sure that that parameter definer doesn't have some other use that doing so would mess up.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Best way is to simply pass along the original template name in a separate param. I'll fix that. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Done, other templates that use that header, can use the same parameter if they are renamed, but I have not converted them at this time. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

vmware

wat are the frequently faced problems in vmware. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spradeep786 (talk • contribs) 11:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. TNXMan 11:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

wikitable formatting problem

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 – Mysdaao ^talk 16:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Something has gone wrong with the formatting of the table : List of Primeval episodes#Series 1 (2007). The grey outlines have disappeared from all but the first row of the table. The other tables on that page are okay. I can't see how the first table is formatted differently. I'd appreciate a brief explanation, not just have someone magically fix it leaving me clueless the next time it happens. Thanks. Barsoomian (talk) 12:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This seems to be something to do with including a bulleted list within the "ShortSummary". With those removed my preview looks ok. This is not an explanation, though... -- John of Reading (talk) 13:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I've seen this before, but I don't know why it happens. The only fix I know is to move the start of each {{Episode list}} template to the same line as the end of the one before it, like I've done here. I can't explain it, but it fixes the problem. --Mysdaao ^talk 13:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. At least I know what triggers it. The bullets are actually unnecessary, so I just made it a text list. Barsoomian (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Babels

Hi, how can I add babels to my userpage and to my talk page? Lt. S.V. (talk) 13:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Use {{Babel}}. The babel on my user page is coded {{Babel|en|nl-2|fr-1}} Mjroots (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Red text, blue text

hi Can you please tell me the why some text is in red and some in blue? Thanks John. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.37.15 (talk) 13:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

You can click on blue text to jump somewhere else within Wikipedia. A "red link" tells you that the "somewhere else" hasn't been written yet - see this explanation - which is shown in blue because you can jump there by clicking on it. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Want a job in Wikipedia

How to get a job in wikipedia organization ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajzamarian (talk • contribs) 14:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia is an all volunteer project. However, Wikimedia has several job openings, which can be found here. TNXMan 14:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ps3 browser problems

I can't view wikipedia on the ps3 browser because of two white blocks covering the left and right side of the screen. I've tried making an account and changing wikipedia back to the old style but it won't let me click on the login button. Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeeJayBeatles (talk • contribs) 15:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This is a question more suitable for the technical village pump. Please post it there.  A p3rson ‽ 23:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Deleted pages

Is there anyway i can look at deleted pages as there is one page i really need to look at. Gobbleswoggler (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Deletionpedia has some of Wikipedia's deleted pages. --Teratornis (talk) 16:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Alternatively, depending on the reason for the deletion, you could ask an administrator to put it in your user space (userfying) - but if it was deleted as an attack page, or for copyright violation, this is not possible. If you have specific page(s) you want to look at, either let us know here, or contact me on my talk page -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, please note that Deletionpedia has nothing deleted before Feb 2008, or, generally, anything deleted in the last 36 hours -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Lowercasing an article name

Hello-- I am submitting an article about a brand whose name is spelled in all lowercase letters ("iheartradio"). I see that iTunes, iPhone, etc all have lowercase letters in their entry title. Please let me know how this can be done before I publish the entry.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iheartradio (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, the literal answer is to include {{Lower case title}} at the top of the article, which will show the initial letter as a lower case one. However, before creating an article, please make sure that the brand meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines (including, probably, the organisation/company guidelines for notability) and that you have some reliable independent sources of information about the brand. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

At the moment the draft at User:Iheartradio/iheartradio lacks any references and is also very spammy. If it is moved to the mainspace in this form, it will almost certainly be speedily deleted. Your user name is also a clear breach of the user name policy. – ukexpat (talk) 17:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hiding IP address

before I registered as a user , i read that I could hide my ip address - could someone please instruct me how to hide my ip address. thank you. Withlight —Preceding unsigned comment added by Withlight (talk • contribs) 17:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

If you are logged in (as you were when you left this message), your IP address is not available for the vast majority of users of Wikipedia, including admins and bureacrats. The only people who can link your account name to the IP you use are check users - of which there are only about 40, if I remember correctly. Even they would not look into your IP address(es) when you are logged in, unless there are suspicious edits! So, you don't need to hide your IP address, as it is automatically done. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

wikipedia

Is this the english version or the american and english version. Gobbleswoggler (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This is the English Language Wikipedia. As such, it covers British English, American English, Australian English, etc, etc - basically all varieties of English. In general, the specific variety of English (e.g. American vs British) depends on the subject (e.g. an American singer's article would use American English, a British singer's article would use British English) - or which variety of English was used when the article was created (so one written in American English would generally always remain in American English). I hope this explains it! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

It's both...and neither - see WP:ENGVAR. – ukexpat (talk) 17:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

article about General Aristide Razu deleted?

Hi,

Why when I try now to see "Aristide Razu" article ,tells me "article deleted" Aristiderazu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs) 17:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

It was speedily deleted as it did not ...indicate the importance or significance of the subject. See the notice on your talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 17:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, Aristiderazu.

As explained above, it was deleted, and there is a message on your talk page, Speedy deletion nomination of Aristide Razu - which explains the reason..

Articles need to have references to reliable sources, to show that the subject is notable. Please see WP:VRS, and read WP:FIRST before creating a live article.

Judging from your username, I also suggest reading WP:AUTO - which explains that Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged, unless your writing has been approved by other editors in the community. Try editing other articles first, to get the hang of things; read the help files, and please ask for more guidance if you need it.  Chzz  ►  17:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's an autobiogrphy, the user is a descendant of Aristide Razu. – ukexpat (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well I just reeditted it and it seems to work fine.Aristiderazu.Are you kidding me? ;I'm writing about my great grand father and you tell me in other words that I am lying?Christ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs) 18:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs) 18:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well I went to "My talk page" and it is telling me that the person I'm writing about is of no importance.Well during the Battle of Marasesti (6-19) August 1917 he just happened that General Aristide Razu with 5th Romanian Infantry Division , with other Romanian Generals defeated General Mckensen of the German Army(the Germans were not able to break the Romanian-Russian Front) ,during the Great War or WW1 for some.I saw how in detail you have the Battle of Marasesti covered in Wikipedia.No offense! Aristiderazu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs) 18:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC) Finally I come from a communist country,so community sounds a bit strange to my ears. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs) 18:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC) .Aristiderazu (talk) 18:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu.

Please calm down. The inclusion criterion for Wikipedia is notability and for people that is explained in some detail at WP:BIO. Take a look at WP:RS for the kinds of sources that you need to cite to demonstrate notability, and then take a look at WP:CITE for guidance on how to cite them. It would appear that the subject of the article is notable, but without properly cited references, it is hard to be sure. – ukexpat (talk) 19:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok.So which one of the sources is questionable and should be removed?Aristiderazu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.114.127.23 (talk) 21:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs) 21:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC) .Aristiderazu (talk) 18:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu

According to the page, none of the sources appear to be either suitable, or readable because they are not formatted correctly. Also, there are citations, but none are specifically linked to any text. For suitable sources, see WP:SOURCES. If you have actual books or others, I reccomend getting Mr. Zman's refToolbar 2.0 (see here), which adds a way to properly cite all kinds of sources.

• On another note, please remember to sign your posts by typing 4 tildes (like this: ~~~~). This automatically adds a username and timestamp.  A p3rson ‽ 23:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well ,on the Great War Forum you may see in detail ,translated by me,"The Battle of Marasesti" written by Constantin Kiritescu's from his work "Razboiul Pentru Intregirea Romaniei1916-1919",written in 1921.It is the only book in Romania about Romania in the Great War /WW1.Dou you think Kiritescu has been pick at random to write our history?Aristiderazu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs) 14:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC) .Aristiderazu (talk) 18:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu

page move

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Hi, trying to move this article back to Guti Hernández where it was a half hour ago and it has got a bracket attached to the title, could you move it back for me as it is not allowing me to do it for some reason? Off2riorob (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

That will need an admin, so please request at WP:RM, unless a friendly admin sees this in the meantime. – ukexpat (talk) 18:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Will do, thanks Ukexpat. Off2riorob (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Admin Fuhghettaboutit has sorted the mess out, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Edmonton Clinic

Hello,

The Edmonton Clinic will not be a hospital facility. Please change the association. The north building is an academic, research and administrative building.

The south building will house day clinics and administrative space. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.244.171.77 (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look. ~ QwerpQwertus ·_Talk_·_Contribs_· 23:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

It says a medical science facility - that's correct. ~ QwerpQwertus ·_Talk_·_Contribs_· 23:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon cheat codes

How do I ask questions about a specific topic (the topic I'm looking for is pokemon cheat codes)?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.215.30 (talk • contribs)

Not on Wikipedia, Wikipedia is not a how-to and that includes cheat codes. – ukexpat (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

You can ask about more or less anything (except asking for opinions or medical or legal advice) on our reference desks, although for cheat codes it would probably be quicker just to google for them.Equisetum (talk | email | contributions) 21:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Mobile Redirect Disabled on My Android Device

I'm using an Android device which, contrary to when I first started using the device, no longer automatically views Wikipedia pages in the official Mobile view. All pages begin with http://en.wikipedia.org, rather than http://en.m.wikipedia.org. I have tried looking through the mobile help, and the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Enable_mobile_version which supposedly exists to resolve my problem doesn't work. How can I make my mobile device view Wikipedia pages in the mobile view natively again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.192.246 (talk) 21:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Due to load issues and the configuring of new servers for the mobile services, the redirect is temporarily disabled until we are sure it can take the full load of all requests again. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 00:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Archiving my user talk page

I'm thinking about setting up automated archiving of my talk page, but from what I've read, the format I currently use may not be suitable. I've done some manual archiving in the past and each archive page has {{Chronological talk archive}} at the top, followed by {{archive-nav}} and the archive. The problem is with the navigation. I've manually set the previous and next on each page, but as some months are skipped, a bot may not be able to do this. Is there a navigation template for a chronological archive, or should I just not use navigation? I see how I could make the bot archive, but not how I could make the navigation work. Gawaxay (talk • contribs • count) 22:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Palu

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Hi, im user Palu from cs Wikipedia and i want to make my account on en Wikipedia, but my name is used. But it is inactive. Is possible to find way to solve my problem? Thanx very much, Palu, 93.91.144.178 (talk) 22:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

If the name is already taken pls see Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations Moxy (talk) 22:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. 93.91.144.178 (talk) 22:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Heavily referenced article disappears in only two weeks

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 – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 22:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Note: the external link in the post below attempted to infect my computer with a trojan, which Norton blocked--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

For the Stone Temple Pilots (album) article, I cited Joe Bosso's article pretty heavily, as it contained some great information. I found yesterday that the article disappeared, and I shot off an email to Mr. Bosso and editor-in-chief of the website, and I sort of hope for a response eventually (though I obviously don't know if my Yahoo email account containing a link to their article will be filtered as "spam"). In the meantime, I checked the WayBack Machine, but I read somewhere on that site that it may take six months for the archived version of the page to appear, and I'm worried it may not even be archived in the end. The only other site that I could locate that had all the text intact was a forum that copyvio'd the text verbatim into one of the messages. So: what should I do? A lot of work went into referencing this article; should I just wait it out and see what happens? It kind of bummed me out. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 22:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Is this the article you meant? Bielle (talk) 22:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Bielle, no, that's the follow-up article, which I started working with yesterday (which is how I found out the other article was missing). The initial article was a brief track-by-track look into the album by one of the band artists. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 23:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Consider using a service such as WebCite to preserve webpages. I think citing one webpage 18 times is a bit excessive. I hope you have learned to always try and seek out more sources, unless citing one page a large amount of times is unavoidable -- that may very well be the case here. Xenon54 (talk) 22:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Not sure I understand WebCite. If every referenced webpage on Wikipedia had to be archived in WebCite to ensure long-term reliability, shouldn't it be at least mentioned on Wikipedia somewhere as a suggested resource? And maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but I'm not about to pay a fee to join an archive site. As for the 18-citation reference, please. The reference could be cited once if the entire section was composed of material from that reference. But because other cited references are being interjected, sometimes supporting and sometimes expounding on the topic, the reference is suddenly seeing 18 citations. It has nothing to do with excess. Besides, make that argument to, say, the editors of Jane Austen, who cite Park Hanon's biography 42 times. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 23:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I get it now; with a clearer head, I looked at WebCite more closely and found the archive page. Also, WP:Linkrot mentions CiteWeb and also has good advice to not remove all the information I added; thank goodness! My apologies for a bit of a snappish response, I was sort of devastated. The editor-in-chief has promised to contact me tomorrow regarding the issue; meanwhile, I archived their other article, linked above by Bielle. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 22:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Cite journal not adding quote marks

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At 2009 College Football All-America Team, {{cite journal}} is not adding quote marks to ref 3, but it is on ref 2. What is wrong with ref 3?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Is it because one of them has the "work" field filled in, and the other doesn't, so somehow the template is reading the "title" field as the work, and italicising it?--BelovedFreak 23:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

If a parameter called journal, periodical, magazine or work is set then that parameter gets italics and the title gets quotes. If no such parameter is set then the title gets italics. In your example, ref 2 sets work and ref 3 sets none of them. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The title of a book is italicized. In the context of a journal, "title" means the title of the article, which is put in quotes in the cite xxx templates. The name of the journal is given by the "journal" parameter, and is in italics. For both books and journals, the publisher is plain roman text, although it is traditional to give the publisher of a book and omit the publisher of a journal. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

O.K. I have changed the template to get the quotes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)