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August 18

Label for "British English" articles?

I think I've seen such a thing. I'm editing 2011 Indian anti-corruption movement, and would like to flag the page to request that we stick to British English, which I claim is currently prevalent. Is there a standard template for this? I tried some searching, but I couldn't find it. Thanks -- Jo3sampl (talk) 00:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I think you want {{British English}} (it goes on the article talk page, Talk:2011 Indian anti-corruption movement, somewhere near the top)  Chzz  ►  00:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, sorry, the article already has a notice on the talk page, saying This article uses Indian English dialect and spelling - and shouldn't be changed without discussion/consensus.

Those type of announcements are always put on the talk page, not the article - because the information is relevant to editors, but not to readers.  Chzz  ►  00:45, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Better than ref label note label?

I'm working on a page with 22 different ref labels note labels and they are out of sync. I saw on a page (and now can't find) a way to do ref labels/note labels that output similar to the ref label note label, but you could assign a name to them so even if things moved around on the page, the letters would be assigned in order. Can anyone help me with this?Naraht (talk) 01:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you give a little bit more information? What page has the 22 different labels? If you would like to put notes into your article, you can use {{#tag:ref|TEXT GOES HERE|group="note"}} another simple way is to use <ref group=note>TEXT GOES HERE</ref> If you use the second method, you cannot give a citation to your note. At the bottom of the article, above the references, you should included a section title Notes with the tag {{Reflist|group=note}} Ryan Vesey Review me! 01:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines. The notes include the information as to whether there is any relationship with an identically named organization elsewhere. Which of these methods will *automatically* assign the letters (or numbers) for the notes, so that if the notes up in the main text are switched in locations that the numbers/letters pertaining to them would be switched and reordered down in the note section?Naraht (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

FIFA Soccer 12 Cache

If a user is (and has not been) logged in, the page FIFA Soccer 12 shows the page FIFA 12 but only as it appeared yesterday, which has some incorrect information, like the infobox release date as August 27th instead of September 27th. See screenshot from moments ago. To be clear, this was taken from a browser I almost never use, so it was not some stored cache on my computer. I assume this is due to some delay in server-side caching, but usually Wikipedia is very good at always showing the most up-to-date page. This is a difficult problem to reproduce, but I wanted to know if anything can be done about it. Thanks. Allstar86 (talk) 01:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if the problem still exists, but I purged the page to be safe. Ryan Vesey Review me! 02:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Perfect; thanks! --Allstar86 (talk) 02:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect photo caption

I don't know how to edit a photo caption within a Wiki article.

The photo appears twice

Article one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion

where it appears under the banner "Forces of the Eight-Nation Alliance"

Artcile two: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance

The caption is incorrect. No Russians are shown in the photo. The man wrongly identified as a Russian is in fact from an Australian colonial force sent to assist the 'Mother Country' (Britain). I have the same photo in a text book on this contribution - Bluejackets and Boxers by Bob Nicholls where it is correctly labelled.

I was able to edit the photo in WikiCommons, but do not know how to fix the caption in the two articles it appears in — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montalban (talk • contribs) 01:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

It is part of a the template {{Boxer Rebellion}}, you need to edit it there. Ryan Vesey Review me! 02:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Adding content on Transport related issues to Wikipedia

Dear Madam/Sir

We would like to add some content to your website which we believes adds to, and enhances the knowledge already posted on Wikipedia. . Our core business is education about transport related subjects, but in addition to teaching, our aim is to make it easier for transport planners, academics, social workers and other members of the public to have easy access to quality peer reviewed research papers and reports that help them with their jobs. It is not our aim to promote any one academic Journal or Transportation Institute, but rather the advancement of academic knowledge on Transport, Public Transit or other.

To this end, I seek your advice on how we ago about adding either a link or well thought-out knowledge to your site. I have been looking at your site and External Links and References appear to be suitable.

As an example, I have chosen tram as a subject heading. I have a link that will take you to 358 peer reviewed academic journal articles from Journals, The Transportation Research Board and Transportation Institutes around the world. Every single article that appears on our website has been approved by the Journal or institute in question. How do we go about getting permission to add this to Wikipedia. I am aware we can add information, but I thought I would try writing to you first to ask your permission rather than find a link we placed on your site later redacted.

If you require any further information, or if you have any queries for me, I would be only too happy to try and resolve any issues you might have?

Many thanks and regards

Pauline Forbes (talk) 03:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)Pauline Forbes

The best way to handle this is to ask at the talk page of the articles you wish to add the links to. To do this, click the "discussion" tab when viewing any article, and there you can post your link and seek opinions about their relevence and complaince with Wikipedia's policies on external links (see Wikipedia:External links). It may take a few days to generate some robust discussion, but that is the best way to judge the appropriateness. Alternately, you can ask for input here at the Help Desk, say "I want to add the link XXXX to article YYYY. Is it appropriate to do so?" This page gets a LOT of activity, so people will give you a good response fairly quickly. --Jayron32 03:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I see from your post at Talk:Tram that you are interested in adding external links on the general subject of transportation to articles such as Tram. I'm sorry but Wikipedia is not a repository of links. External links are welcome only if the linked page is closely related to the subject of the article. See our guideline on external links. —teb728 t c 07:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

line wrap in template

I'm editing a navbox template: Template:AMC Shows (specific version in case later edits change the situation). I am puzzled as to why the second group "2001–2010" is wrapped, when there is plenty of room for all the text on one line. Am I missing something? Barsoomian (talk) 03:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

It had a carriage-return (a 'newline') in it; I removed it [1].  Chzz  ►  03:55, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Where the hell did that come from... Barsoomian (talk) 03:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

income

since i cant seem to find the actual link cause of the numerous links available then i will asked a new question. since you are i guess public domain and free to millions of peoples worldwide why dont you ask uncle sam for some monies.they or should i say we spend billions of dollars on crap each year anyhow. at least this is something i can see where the money is going. something i can actually use and maybe you should call it wikipediationary or the new i guess version wikimediationary. thanks for you time and efforts. rick wright — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.225.68.134 (talk) 04:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not public domain, actually. It's content is under what is known as a "free content license", which is not the same thing as public domain. Wikipedia's content is dual licensed under both GFDL and CC-BY-SA. As far as money, Wikipedia does fine. The parent organization, known as Wikimedia Foundation, makes enough money via its annual fundraising drive that there isn't any real need to ask for government handouts or other sources of cash. Wikimedia works very much like Public Broadcasting in the U.S. in terms of how it is funded. --Jayron32 04:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Both PBS and NPR receive public funding through the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. As far as I am aware the Wikimedia Foundation receives none—I good thing IMO, for with public funding inevitably come attempts at political influence. —teb728 t c 06:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

template talk:Authority_control#Bot_support_required

Moved to Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 43 § Authority control

Dear friends, during last weeks I was involved mainly in adding the German version of this template de:template:Normdaten to dozens of pages; adding the required parameters where required. Today, I activated the linking to WorldCat identities containing the works from / about authors. I never have seen trailing zeros as template parameters to the third part of parameter LCCN.
example: Abraham Lincoln#normdaten contains now the link http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n79-6779 Lincoln, Abraham 1809-1865
Works: 22,532 works in 36,882 publications in 66 languages and 1,323,107 library holdings
This information is very important for readers. They will find books in smaller languages.
The template did not work from the beginning. It was necessary to remove the leading zeros before the third subpart of parameter LCCN:
{{Normdaten|LCCN=n/79/006779}} changed to {{Normdaten|LCCN=n/79/6779}})

Bot support request: Please remove such leading zeros at all pages using template:Authority control. Thanks in advance!
user:Gangleri ‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 05:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for telling us. I think I understand; and I think this could be done quite easily with RegEx using AWB - but, it's all best discussed on our 'bot requests' page, so I'll move this over there; see Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 43#Authority control.  Chzz  ►  05:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Entertainment technology as an article category for Applied Technology

I am inquiring about the desirability of an Entertainment technology category within Applied Technology to place together articles about the diverse technologies related to various entertainments. For example, musical instrument technologies, the physics of roller-coasters, various facets of stagecraft, as in the article titled Entertainment technology, and others, of course, to illustrate the wider range of technologies that are integral to various entertainments. --Kensor (talk) 05:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Is User:Talktalk a misleading username?

On a certain Wikipedia, an administrator thought User:Talktalk is a misleading username which is not allowed by Wikipedia:Username policy and blocked the user forever. The reason is the administrator personally thought User:Talktalk looks like a user's talk page. Do you think the username is misleading? Please give me your comments, thank you. --Merry Rabbit 07:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

• Unless that certain Wikipedia is the English one, I don't see the problem. Other language Wikipedias use different words to indicate talk pages -- which would cause the confusion to disappear. For example, in Dutch it would be Gebruiker overleg:Talktalk, which would be no problem at all, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.106.38 (talk) 07:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to be the proper venue for this, we need to know what you specifically need help with. You could try WP:Village pump? Яehevkor ✉ 09:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

We can only help you with issues concerning this Wikipedia, if you want opinions about actions elsewhere you need to ask there. I'd block that name here as it's the name of a company. Dougweller (talk) 10:46, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Dj Mike Whitfield

Plays soulful house music on the internet does he pley anywere ??

i have found the link for a few mixes. soundcloud.com/mikewhitfield

website www.malibuvibes.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellydj123 (talk • contribs) 08:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Entertainment reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Barnicklemusic

Hi, I have a page here, Barnicklemusic. Can I possibly change it from a user page to a Wiki page please? If yes, how will I do this? Thank-you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.90.78 (talk) 09:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you link us to the page in question? Does it establish notability per WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC? Яehevkor ✉ 09:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I guess you are referring to your user page User:Barnicklemusic. In order to have a topic included in Wikipedia, you have to establish its notability (see Wikipedia:Notability for more information). Briefly this means you have to show that sources independent of the subject (in this case Barnicklemusic) have written or reported about Barnicklemusic. See also Wikipedia:Introduction for a brief overview of what Wikipedia is and how it works. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I have tagged the userpage for speedy deletion as it is far too promotional in tone for a user page or an article. The username has also been reported as a WP:CORPNAME in breach of the the user name policy. – ukexpat (talk) 13:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

A Problem finding an article that has been posted

When I search google, I can find this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Josee_Nadeau

But If I try to search for "Josee Nadeau" through Wikipedia it reports no such page exists.

What is the problem here?

Thanks

Matt

Josee nadeau (talk) 10:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

You have to precede the username with User:, such as in User:Josee Nadeau. Userpages are in a different namespace than articles. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Note also that Wikipedia has a guideline against user pages that look like articles, see WP:FAKEARTICLE. Is this a draft that you want to become an article? If so, it would be helpful for you to read our policies on notability, verifiability, and neutrality. Your username suggests that you are connected with the subject of the article, if so, you may have a conflict of interest. Thanks, Quasihuman | Talk 11:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Dj Mike Whitfield - Malibu Vibes

Is Dj Mike Whitfield from youtube - http://www.youtube.com/user/thewhittmyster a professional dj or just a good bedroom dj who plays online? more infomation the better please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellydj123 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Please see my reply three sections above. This page is only for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Please CLICK HERE and ask your question there. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Orthomolecular Medicine

Dear Sirs

I gave my feed back at foot of page on Orthomolecular Medicine. I then got an email asking me to click on a link to verify my email address. It would not respond. I copied and pasted it into my address bar and lo and behold, up came YOUR EMAIL IS NOT VERIFIED. What kind of nonsense is this? Clearly someone is hijacking anything to do with nutrition because it is viewed as a threat to drug company profits. Can you explain?

Alan Hunter86.154.131.115 (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't think your first action (editing the page) had anything to do with the second (getting the email). Wikipedia does not email people who edit articles. I do not see where anyone has edited Orthomolecular medicine or its discussion page from your IP, or anything close to your IP. Perhaps you could be a little more specific with the contents of the email you received and from whom it was received? TNXMan 16:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Just for clarification, it appears that he rated the page; however, an email should not have been sent. Where did the email come from and have you attempted to create an account? Ryan Vesey Review me! 16:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Stupid question

I suspect that I'm just computer-retarded, but I can't seem to install Timotheus Canens' AfC script properly (see my monobook.js page; I've bypassed my cache and it's not displaying). Did I do something wrong, or is it my computer's fault (I'm on Firefox 4, if that means anything. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Try it now, after bypassing again.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Working now, thanks a ton!! The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Please speedy delete

It isn't a user sandbox as claimed. Henry_Huntington_Seward. Kittybrewster ☎ 17:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Tagged for speedy per G11. Even if the guy is notable, this is not an encyclopedia article, it's a resume/cv and needs a complete rewrite. – ukexpat (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Might also want to check the userpage of the person who initially created it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Searchable content

i created an article, but i t doesnt come up when i search for it. how do i make it searchable? Cheimread (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The text is currently on your user page, but I have tagged it for speedy deletion as it is nothing more than an advertisement for your business, and Wikipedia is not here as a vehicle for advertising. You user name is also in violation of the user name policy. – ukexpat (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Can someone fix the citations for me?

Resolved

Heya

I'm Jeanne (thecontextualist) and just put up some new info on Beril Jents. Can't work out the formatting quite yet and have to rush off. I know there is someone brilliant out there who can help me so please do so! It is my first article so any feedback would be great, I will try to get better at this...

) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.117.163 (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks like some people have been working on the page since it was created. — Bility (talk) 18:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Problems with two references in article

According to http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/webchecklinks.py?page=en:Steinway_%26_Sons#view=0,1,1,1,1,1 there are some problems with two of the references in the article Steinway & Sons. I don't know how to fix these two problems. The references are:

• Reference number 28: <ref>[http://www.denstoredanske.dk/index.php?sideId=164606 "Steinway & Sons"], ''[[Den Store Danske Encyklopædi]]'' (''The Great Danish Encyclopedia''). Retrieved July 27, 2011. {{da icon}}</ref>
  • Problem with reference number 28: "Steinway & Sons" (info) [denstoredanske.dk]. HTTP: 301. Analysis: Changes searcher."

• Reference number 108: <ref>[http://movies.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/movies/07stein.html "What is black and white and made in Queens?"], ''The New York Times'', November 7, 2007. Retrieved August 17, 2011.</ref>
  • Problem with reference number 108: "assembled by 450 people. "What is black and white and made in Queens?" (info) [nytimes.com], The New York Times , November 7, 2007. Retrieved August 16, 2011. HTTP: 206. Analysis: Partial Content."

Reference number 28:
As I see it there should be no problem with reference number 28. The URL of the page that the reference is linking to is http://www.denstoredanske.dk/index.php?title=Kunst_og_kultur/Musik/Klassisk_musik/Instrumentbyggere_og_opfindere/Steinway_%26_Sons but the direct URL to the page is http://www.denstoredanske.dk/index.php?sideId=164606. If you on the page http://www.denstoredanske.dk/index.php?title=Kunst_og_kultur/Musik/Klassisk_musik/Instrumentbyggere_og_opfindere/Steinway_%26_Sons click at the little grey icon that looks like a chain, the direct link to the page is shown. If we keep using the URL http://www.denstoredanske.dk/index.php?sideId=164606 as the reference in the article we will always be linked to the correct page no matter what will happen in the future on the page http://www.denstoredanske.dk (an online Danish encyklopedia).

Reference number 108:
I have no idea about what should be wrong with the reference number 108.

--Peoplefromarizona (talk) 16:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Neither of them are a problem. The tool indicates "things to check" - it doesn't necessarily mean anything wrong. In the case of 28, the tool has no way to know that the URL used is a perma-link. The warning of an error in ref 108 just indicates that that specific NY Times page has some invalid code - but that isn't our problem.  Chzz  ►  16:30, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I will leave the two references in the article. Thank you for your answer. --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 17:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

(should have been an edit-conflict but not?) Reference 28: Consider changing or removing this reference. It's a bad idea to reference an encyclopedia in any setting. This is why we include references. You should cite the references from the other encyclopedia, if they exist. Xenon54 (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

The reference is to Den Store Danske Encyklopædi, which is a professional encyklopedia written by experts. Therefore, the reference should not be removed or changed. --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 17:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Correct. Unsurprisingly, we have articles on HTTP 301 and HTTP 206 if you want details. There are style issues: a mix of citation templates and not template and a mix of sentence and title case in citation titles. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I think that must be considered to be not important details. But thank you for notifying me about it. If I fell for it, I will maybe change it sometimes in the future, but it will take a very long time to do so, because the article is very long and has many references.

PS: What do you mean by "... mix of citation templates..."? --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 17:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Some of the references use the {{cite book}} template, others use {{harvnb}}, and others just have bare information between the <ref> and </ref>; it's better to use a consistent style throughout (and becomes very important when heading towards GA-status). Additionally, some refs do not give enough information to allow the reader to locate them, such as 116. ^ a b c Piano Buyer's Guide, p. 13. - which could refer to a number of different publications; ISBN/publisher/author would help.  Chzz  ►  20:35, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

– The {{harvnb}} template are used when a reference is listed in the section "Further reading". For example: When clicking on reference number 18 you are directed to "Giordano, Sr. 2010, p. 137." and when clicking on "Giordano, Sr. 2010" you are directed to the book in the section "Further reading" and here the book is listed: "Giordano, Sr., Nicholas J. (2010). Physics of the Piano. Oxford, United Kingdom: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-954602-2.". That is the correct way to write the reference, right?

OBS: The {{harvnb}} template are not used with reference number 1. Because when using the {{harvnb}} template in the infobox, the {{harvnb}} template does not work.

– Before I start changing anything about the references, I would like to be sure to do it the right way. I am thinking of using the {{cite book}}/{{cite journal}} when the reference is a book/journal/magasin that is not listed in the section "Further reading". If the book/journal/magasin is listed in "Further reading" I will use the {{harvnb}}. When the reference is a website I will use the {{cite web}}. Is that the correct way to do it? --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 09:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

There is no right/wrong way. Like many style-issues, the formatting of references isn't dictated (even for an FA) - the editors (for a specific article) can choose to do things whichever way they want; the only concern for GA/FA is, that the formatting is consistent. At e.g. "FA review", the reviewers don't *care* which templates are used (if any) - but they do care that, for example, all the dates in refs are the same - e.g. "1 June 2011" or "June 1 2011" or "1-6-11" or whatever - and, that all the refs have the title/date/author/isbn in the same order, same font, same punctuation; sticking to one format helps with that.

Harv can be used in an infobox; if there's a specific problem, there's always an answer.

Personally, I do like harvard-style most of the time - especially if almost all refs are books, and/or lots of refs are re-used. I also (personally) don't bother with "Cite Web", "Cite Book", "Cite Journal" and all those, but instead I just use {{citation}} for all of them - because it makes it easier to be consistent. But others really don't like harv, because it does make the rendered page code longer (slower to load) - and/or, prefer using specific cite templates because they sometimes allow for more specific parameters.

Sorry I cannot give a clear "do it THIS way" answer; but it's a matter of personal preference. As long as the resultant output is consistent, and serves the purpose of refs, that's fine.

See Wikipedia:Citing sources - Each article should use the same citation method throughout. If an article already has citations, adopt the method in use or seek consensus on the talk page before changing it. While you should try to write citations correctly, what matters most is that you provide enough information to identify the source. - and note that that guide does not even mention specific templates; that's left to the editors of an article to decide.  Chzz  ►  17:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your explanation. Would it be consistent to do it this way?:
I am thinking of using the {{cite book}}/{{cite journal}} when the reference is a book/journal/magasin that is not listed in the section "Further reading". If the book/journal/magasin is listed in "Further reading" I will use the {{harvnb}}. When the reference is a website I will use the {{cite web}}. --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 19:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The article uses shortened footnotes, a method that uses {{harv}} series template for the in-text cite and {{cite xxx}} template for the full citation. I recommend you enable User:Ucucha/HarvErrors since there are some errors in the article. {{Sfn}} will neatly replace <ref>{{harv|}}</ref> and you need to enable |ref=harv for the {{cite xxx} templates. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 03:51, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rfd2

Would an editor proficient with wikicode amend Template:Rfd2 and Template:Rfd2m? For example, in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 August 12#Gogeta, the template creates the following:

*Gogeta → Son Goku (Dragon Ball)#Abilities and Vegeta#Abilities (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]

• Vegito → Son Goku (Dragon Ball)#Abilities and Vegeta#Abilities (links to redirect • history • stats) 

When the closing admin clicks on "keep", the edit summary is "Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Gogeta closed as keep". This is not a durable link because the discussion will eventually be archived from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Would someone fix the code to say "Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 August 12#Gogeta closed as keep"?

Template:Rfd2m, which is for nominating multiple redirects, also needs to be updated. In the above example, only the first redirect, Gogeta, had a [Closure: keep/delete] link. Vegito should also have one. If there is a better place to pose this request, please direct me to it. Thank you, Cunard (talk) 19:51, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe this is within the scope of the help desk. This page is only for requests for help in using or editing Wikipedia - not requests for edits to be made, at least not edits as complex as this. You could try Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests or Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), possibly even the talk page of the template itself. LxRv (a.ka. Rehevkor) 20:39, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

It's a request for help for an encyclopedia matter and to my mind exactly what this page is for. It might have been more fruitful if posted to a place where template gurus congregate, but that's neither here nor there. I'm middling at template coding—created tons but not good with the really advanced parser stuff—but I'll take a look now.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I think I've fixed it. Since the discussions are on the log page, I simply replaced the edit summary text that had [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#section]] with [[{{PAGENAME}}#section]]. As far as I can tell the edit summaries come only from rfd2 and not the Rfd2m associated template. Note that since {{rfd2}} is always substituted, you will only see the fix in action for discussions listed after the fix.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:26, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing the link! And an elegant solution it was. For {{rfd2m}}, I was thinking about a link that would allow RfD admins easily to link to the RfD discussions when they close the debate. Is there any way to institute this in the rf2m template also? Cunard (talk) 07:02, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, but it appears my solution is only partial. It does no harm but its a won't work sometimes (probably most of the time). Here's why {{PAGENAME}} places the name of the page of wherever it is invoked from. The translation of that is: if an admin is on the log page when they click keep or delete, the good log edit summary link will be placed. However, if an admin clicks on keep or delete while on the RFD transclusion page, the {{PAGENAME}} magic word take the name of that page, i.e., it will place the same non-durable link to RFD#section. Though I've never closed an RFD, I think most admins visit the RFD page and close it from there, and every time that happens the same edit problem will be seen. Regarding the second issue (which I see was asked in your original post and I misread it) let me take a look.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:01, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I think I fixed the edit summary issue with this edit. Now it should place the name of the log page from the start and never change.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:25, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

The second request is beyond my skills. I tried emulating the relevant part of the code from the rfd2 template to place the closure links but its breaking, and I don't have the fluency to see why.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:44, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for fixing the link with the includeonly tag. After some thought, it would be quite difficult to use it in {{rfd2m}}. A new parameter for the template would likely be necessary (one for the name of the section header which would differ from the redirect's name). I think it is worthwhile to have these convenience links but don't think it's worthwhile enough to add another parameter to the template. Instead of linking to a particular section, would it be possible to link to only the log page? For the example for Vegito in my opening post, it would be "Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 August 12 closed as keep". Cunard (talk) 04:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I think it's done. Working in testing.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:56, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you for your help with these templates. Cunard (talk) 01:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Policy

I am a frequent user and a contributer to Wikipedia's funding appeals.

I have read the rules which say that only 'verifiable' pages and information should be posted, and only information that would have a place in an Encyclopedia should be included.

Could you explain to me when, and in what reality, Sally Bercow would 'deserve' an Encyclopedia entry.

Wikipedia is in the grip of shallow celebrity publicity seeking, it's not an encyclopedia.

I resent this because I wanted to add a viable edit to an existing entry this week concerning something of interest and value, unlike all your Z list celebrity entries, but you took it off.

Very disappointed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iswimupstream (talk • contribs) 20:52, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The Sally Bercow article has been nominated for deletion, so apparently at least one other person agrees with you. As for your edit to the article wynd, it and another similar statement were deleted as trivial. Your addition was unsourced. However, you could always raise the issue on the article's Talk page if you think your addition is NOT trivial (and you can find a source for it).--Bbb23 (talk) 21:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The Afd was speedily closed as a "snow keep", quite rightly in my opinion. The subject of the article is a lot more notable than the Z-list non-celebs on whom we have articles. – ukexpat (talk) 13:40, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Was my page deleted?

Hello,

I could not locate my page on the deletion log, and it is not currently up at the moment. I am assuming that it was deleted. Could someone please tell me why and when it was deleted and what steps to take in order to retrieve and re-create it?

Thank you,

Crowe & Dunlevy (talk) 21:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello, unless you can tell which title the article was under I don't believe we can look into it. Unless you mean Crowe & Dunlevy which was deleted in May 2010 per Wikipedia:SD#G7. LxRv (a.ka. Rehevkor) 21:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Your account has never saved an edit before posting here. See WP:CORPNAME and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

It's a clear breach, now reported at WP:UAA. Let's block and move on.

Disturbed

I found this recent edit by a brand new user a little disturbing. I hope I'm over-reacting, but maybe someone should look into this? ---Canstusdis (talk) 21:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. An isolated act of vandalism from six days ago can be considered "a long time ago" in Wikipedia terms. It was reverted quickly and was one of the milder forms of vandalism. Goodvac (talk) 22:12, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

"Night Triangular" video

I want to get the video of film taken in Sri Lanka in early 90’s, I think film name is “Night Triangular” it was about Vietnam War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.52.15.188 (talk) 21:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Entertainment reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Goodvac (talk) 22:12, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

"It appears you are adding external links to many different Wikipedia pages in rapid succession"

Hi, I just created an account prompted by my desire to flesh out the External Links section of each article on the 16 Myers-Briggs personality types (INFJ, ESTP, etc.) and upon adding my fifth link I got the message in the title. I don't want to spam Wikipedia; I genuinely believe I am providing valuable links to several different sites. Is it okay for me to go ahead and add links to all 16 External Links sections or should I stop? Intjadmin (talk) 22:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC) PS: I've been told to change my username. Will do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intjadmin (talk • contribs) 22:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, now Intjadmin is Possesseva! :) Possesseva (talk) 22:44, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

It looks to me like the links you are adding are to personal websites or blogs and therefore not generally permitted. See WP:ELNO, #11.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

updating my reflist

Dear Wiki team,

I am attempting to update a page I created and I can't remember how to update my "reflist" so as to show the link to the article in my references section.

Any help you can offer is appreciated!

Thank you,

Ryan

Trimble15 (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The reflist automatically updates itself whenever you add the <ref> tag to something in the article. If you are using the same reference multiple times you can name the reference by using <ref name="INSERT REF NAME HERE"> reference information</ref> all future usages of that ref would be placed using <ref name="INSERT REF NAME HERE" />. For more information, please see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. Ryan Vesey Review me! 23:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

In Dan Branch you have defined <ref name=F> twice. Only the first definition will have effect. Ref names are not displayed in the rendered article and they don't have to be alphabetical like your A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H which is hard to maintain. I recommend a ref name indicating something about the reference like the publication or author. If a reference is only used once then no ref name is required. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

The cite or {{}} button on the tool bar has an error check that will find issues like that. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 01:48, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Now that you've mentioned the cite button, Gadget850, why have I lost it from my tool bar? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:09, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

It might look like {{}} See Wikipedia:RefToolbar. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:28, 19 August 2011 (UTC)