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60 yr-old, low computer skills, wants to make 1 edit of an article

Hi, I am at a loss when I try to understand the previous posts.

My question: I would like to edit the article about Crash (the Paul Haggis movie) The article says the movie is about "racial and social tensions". That is not what the movie is about, and Haggis has said so. I found an interview where Haggis speaks about how he came to write Crash, but I don't know how to summarize it.

1. Can I replace the current sentence with the quotation? 2. If so, how would I do this?

This is the quotation and the source. I recently had become intrigued by how we affect strangers. You and I, driving down the streets, I yell at you, you flip me the finger, you go right, I go left. What happens to you? Do you go home and do the emotions that the incident has caused you to carry cause you to have a tiff with your wife? Or do you stop two or three blocks later and save someone’s life? But we judge people so quickly, based on so little evidence. So I asked myself those same questions: What did we do after we had the encounter with those two young guys? We went home and changed the locks. Then I asked myself, how would I have felt if that kid had come to change the locks at two in the morning? What if he was Hispanic? What if he had buzzed hair and what looked like gang or prison tattoos. Would I have felt safe? Being a liberal guy, you’re always spouting off on these things, would you have felt safe in that situation? ‘Fuck! I hate that! I hate asking that question!’ So I decided to put Sandra Bullock’s character in that position of having to admit it. But then wait, what happens to that kid who comes to change the locks? So I followed him. And by ten in the morning, I had the whole story completed, with all these characters who’d come to me over the years. http://thehollywoodinterview.blogspot.com/2008/01/paul-haggis-hollywood-interview.html

Thank you, trichoses Trichoses (talk) 01:48, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The quotation is far too long for the lead, and probably also too long to quote at all for copyright reasons. I haven't found mention of copyright at the source but copyright is implied if nothing is stated. I don't think the quote contradicts the current lead of Crash (2004 film). There are different ways to describe a film. The official site http://www.crashfilm.com/ (click "FILM INFO") includes: "Challenging and thought-provoking, Lions Gate Films' CRASH takes a provocative, unflinching look at the complexities of racial tolerance in contemporary America." That text is also at http://www.lionsgate.com/profile/crash.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Football

What is the oldest franchise in american football. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.116.33.127 (talk) 03:25, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

This page is only for posting questions about using Wikipedia. Please redirect your factual question to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:29, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Arizona Cardinals. Monterey Bay (talk) 03:31, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The Chicago Bears and the Arizona Cardinals are the only 2 original teams of the NFL left. GB fan please review my editing 03:33, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Frank Zappa

Does somebody want to figure out what the hell is wrong with this article? You'll be able to see it right away, but I'm not sure what's causing it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The problem is caused by Template:IPAc-en which is used in the text. When I take that out it looks fine. Not sure how it can be fixed while retaining the template tough. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 09:22, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The article should be using a template for italian instead of english anyway. However Template:IPAc-it does not exist yet. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 09:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I took the template out completely. An IPA template for Italian should be created and used in the article instead. I am not familiar with the phonetic alphabet or the italian language to do it myself though. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 09:58, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Aha. Still not sure why that template was causing it, but glad it's fixed. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:24, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Introducing Myself

Dear Ladies/Getlemen:

Its my pleasuer to introduce myself as Kiani Tabar.Basically, I’m a psychologist.Its more than 20 years I have been counselling with people.Also I ‘m translating different books in the field of Human life to my mother language ,Persian.Recently,I experienced some Brainchilds in which passes my mind as brainstorms.Now they are about 20 new ideas.I have sent a few of them to NASA or innovative instituetes in England.Since I didn’t pass even one technical course at university,honestly may some of my new ideas are not applicable. However ,I would like people live in rest and peace.

Extended content

Literature Traveling by Airplane these days seems to be too easy.You can easily go to a travel agancy or to the Airport ,get your ticket and fly everywhere you want.Or you can enjoy a good flight and to be served during a fly. But sometimes it can not be easy as you think.In some cases the Airplane might be crashed accidentally or an unpredictable injury might happens for Pilot and his/her Co-Pilot. My new idea, is rescue of small Airplanes in which are damaged or crashed in the sky,by helping ArmyHercules aircrafts. As I brainchild,every major Airport in the globe should have a few facilitated & equipped Army Hercules Aircrafts ,as I drawn and designed in attachments.They sould be ready to flight and rescue act. Since the pilot of small airplane , might be injuered , exhusted or afraid, the Captain of Hercules 30-130 accomodates himself/herself for rescue. At first The Army Hercules runs closely beneeth of small airplane.The captain of 30-130 fits Two series of back weels and one front weel of small airplane to the holes manufactured on the roof of Hercules.As I designed in Figuer named Rescue 001. Note : The brown colour Hachure from the down to top around the diagram which I desined, are Hi-Tech elastic made pad – cuhion, installed on the roof of Hercules to prevent bumping effect and crashing due to encounter of the beneeth of small airplane to the roof of Army Aircraft. Second The Hi-tech Air Vaccum, as I shown like black spots in my drawing , suck the air into roof , causing the small airplane seat still ,not moving on the roof of Army Aircraft. Third the Hi-Tech elastic round strips, comes out of walls of the holes, stretching expanding toward the center of the hole , where the weels of small airplane are there.They gather the weel bar firmly. Keep them fasten strongly for not throwing crashed airplane to sky.As I shown in Figuer named Rescue 003. Forth The arms coming out from the corners of the right & left.The arms which comes out from the right, goes toward left from the top of crashed airplane and would be locked in a hatch way.The arms which comes out and stretches from the left , goes to right from the top of crashed airplane and would be locked in a hatch way.Inner the arms , Hi-Teck cotton made Belt are installed so that they gather crashed airplane firmly to not to return to sky and do not break the body of crashed airplane as well. As I shown in Figuer named Rescue 002. Fifth A covered and safe hall way, would be stretched toward up, in the direction of doo of small airplane and would be fixed and firmed completely to the door of small airplane , which is opened now.Providing a hall way , lets passangers of crashed airplane slide(skid ) down into Army Rescue Aircraft . There, a group of helpers are present.A few facilitated- equipped operation room with skillful surgeons,Medical team works,Nurses,General physicians, Social workers,Clergy men ,Psychologists should serve people.Resturants,Cinemas, Dormitories, Playing yard for children ,Communication devices...... should be predicted in army Aircraft.

Well, today I real exhusted you.All these ,because I dearly like people. Please confirm rcvng my letter.I will be awaiting to see your comments. With Kind regards, Mohammad Reza — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.142.227.151 (talk) 12:01, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.7 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. GB fan please review my editing 12:11, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

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User:Srobak

I am seriously tired of this user. Accusing me of WP:TPO violation when I had GOOD reason to remove it; (the anonIP had removed the warning, and Srobak added it back, I removed it again, and so on and so forth; no party in it violated WP:3RR on the anonIPs talk page, fortunetely) removing my comments from his talk page because they apparently have no value there, when they indeed actually do; threatening to AN/I me for having broken WP:TPO 5 times, when I clearly have not done so; Need I go on?

I seriously have good reason to believe User:Srobak is violating WP:AGF. Basically, what I need here is some advice for this sort of situation. If someone OTHER THAN SROBAK could help, that would be awesome. Thanks. LikeLakers2 (talk) 13:15, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to include this, but not only that. he is threatening to WP:AIV me for apparent 5x violations of WP:TPO. He really must just not like me. LikeLakers2 (talk) 13:22, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Per WP:OWNTALK, a user is entitled to blank his talk page or remove posts from it as he sees fit. You are absolutely NOT entitled to edit war to restore them. You've massively violated 3RR, Srobak has not. You will IMMEDIATELY desist from this practice; if you do not, I will block you for edit warring and harassment. Stop right now. -- Finlay McWalter ☻ Talk 13:28, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Finlay McWalter - I have actually opened an ANI for 7x vios of WP:TPO and WP:HARASSMENT here. Srobak (talk) 14:12, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Woah, Finlay. Your response is much to harsh. Srobak had been edit warring on the IP's talk page. Now, the edit warring on Srobak's talk page is a different matter, but you have to take the entire dispute into consideration. Ryan Vesey Review me! 14:47, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

After rereading the response I got from Finley, it seems he is also not using the correct info. He said I was editwarring to restore them, when I was actually trying to remove the warning that the IP had removed. Not trying to blame anyone for anything, but Srobak here was the one "editwarring" to restore the warning. Not only that, but from what I see, the point that I editwarred (from Finley) massively is also wrong, as I believe I only went one over the 3RR limit, if any. Neither me, nor Srobak, not the other admin that was re-removing it as well, went over the 3RR limit from what I can tell. LikeLakers2 (talk) 16:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You did restore comments that Srobak removed from their own talk page at least twice. So you were edit warring to restore comments. You didn't exceed three reverts but you were being disruptive. Srobak was disruptive in the same way. I would suggest the two of you disengage from this, you were both wrong. GB fan please review my editing 16:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You mean on Srobak's talk page? If so, yes, I did, however, I am not going to try to re add those, unless Srobak asks me to. If you mean the IPs talk page, I never added any of them back. Also, shall I move this to the bottom since its still active? LikeLakers2 (talk) 17:15, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes I mean on Srobak's talk page. That is probably what Finlay was talking about above. Why would Srobak ask you to put anything back on their talk page after they removed it themselves and you reverted that removal? What is it you want to move to the bottom? GB fan please review my editing 17:27, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You must not of seen this comment above by Ryan Vesey: "...Srobak had been edit warring on the IP's talk page. Now, the edit warring on Srobak's talk page is a different matter..." LikeLakers2 (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure what Ryan was talking about above, but Finlay was obviously talking about your reverting of Srobak's removal of information from their own talk page. Finlay said, "Per WP:OWNTALK, a user is entitled to blank his talk page or remove posts from it as he sees fit. You are absolutely NOT entitled to edit war to restore them." The only place you edit warred to restore comments that a user removed from their own talk page was on Srobak's talk page. GB fan please review my editing 17:42, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

This discussion does not belong in this forum. As noted earlier, there is an existing discussion at WP:ANI.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Peg

Peg (fishing), I've added a definition to the wiktionary http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/peg#Noun . Should this article be deleted or not? It looks like a case of a dictionary term, but I think that peg is an obscure term that may need linking with no obvious alternative - how do I do this.Imgaril (talk) 13:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

There are instructions at WP:Transwiki log for it. For what it's worth, I would also agree that the article is more suited for Wiktionary. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, helped me find the info I needed - I think Template:Wiktionary redirect will be useful here.Imgaril (talk) 11:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Military Log

The Military channel is a great channel. It is very informative. It has lots of information. AND a huge LOGO. The logo that is always present often blocking the scripts that are being run at the bottom of the program. It only blocks out the last word in a sentance before it breaks. Usually just enough to interfear with the total meaning of the entire sentance. It is very annoying. If it were at the top it would have less viewing inpact. Please someone tell the producers that we know what cannel we are watching and don't need the blocage of the logo.

rick, [email redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.246.84 (talk) 14:02, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.7 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:12, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Finding articles belonging to two or more specific categories

I would like to be able to find article which belong to category X and/or to category Y (maybe more). Is there some sort of boolean query mechanism available to do these type of searches? Newwhist (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Category intersection.

—Wavelength (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

You could also try using WP:CATSCAN here. Ryan Vesey Review me! 19:27, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Where can I find guidelines on notability for video games?

Where can I find guidelines on notability for video games?AdamCaputo (talk) 19:17, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Notability (video games).

—Wavelength (talk) 19:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

WARNING: that is an ESSAY, meant to help you interpret policy as it applies, but CANNOT be used as an argument. The correct policy in this case is the general notability guideline.--Cerejota (talk) 19:37, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Image file speedy deletion

I requested the speedy deletion of File:Arturas Rosenbacher Profile.jpg. The image is of the user who uploaded it and was then used in a hoax article claiming he was someone he was not. The hoax article was speedily deleted, but the image was not. The admin said the two criteria I used did not apply. What'd I do wrong?--Bbb23 (talk) 19:47, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The two criteria you used were G8 and F10. G8 is for dependent pages, like article talkpages, where the page it depends on doesn't exist (e.g. talkpage of a deleted article). F10 is for files besides image, sound, and video files. The only criterion I can think of that this would fall under is G3; I can't read the deleted content, but if the article was about a made-up person- someone who didn't actually exist- then the image would also be a hoax. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation - first time I've requested the speedy delete of a file (as opposed to an article). I was thinking the image was dependent on the deleted article. The image itself probably isn't a hoax - I'm assuming it's an image of the user. Surely, there must be some way to speedy delete images of users. I'm assuming we're not a repository of our own pictures. But, hey, maybe I'm wrong about that - I just looked at another image of a user (no ulterior motive as here).--Bbb23 (talk) 20:04, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The only case where a file is really dependent on an article is when you have a non-free image, and that's covered under F7. I will also say that it's not particularly intuitive, and it took me watching a few discussions at WT:CSD to figure out what G8 exactly meant. As for being a repository; established users do that sometimes, but most self-portraits that aren't being used get deleted (I've initiated that once, for a completely useless self-portrait that existed on Commons). The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:13, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The Commons image deletion process is so much easier to use than the many different processes on Wikipedia. In any event, I see that the admin who declined the speedy delete nominated it for deletion here. I guess that's the right process for this kind of problem. I have voted delete there.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:36, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Unreviewed article

What's the procedure for recommending ICSM Water Polo's deletion? AfD or something else? Clarityfiend (talk) 19:55, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Someone's decided to request a merge; I thought it met A7, but I don't greatly care. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:09, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I removed the CSD. It should be merged (in part) to Imperial College Union. I think an even better spot would be Student life at Imperial College London, but the page needs to be created first. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:11, 27 August 2011 (UTC)