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January 22

Copyright violation in Tracy Edwards (sailing/business/Qatar)

A large part of the article Tracy Edwards is a copy of this Guardian article (which is an interview with Tracy Edwards). It is cited in the Wikipedia article (and yes, the text is changed from first person to third person, great!), but it's *way* too close to be even "only" plagiarism. As the Guardian article / interview is quite interesting, it'd be unfortunate to delete everything... so I'm posting here in case you (yes, you!) feel like investing time to save worthwhile information. If not, I'm shortly going to delete all copied information (and leave an external link to the Guardian article) because unfortunately I myself do not have the time right now to rewrite the article. BTW, the topic is sailing/racing and to some extent also business in/with Qatar, if that should stimulate anyone. :o) --Ibn Battuta (talk) 03:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Having compared the articles I can see what you're getting at, but am just as unsure how to deal with it. The text "paraphrased" from the Guardian article is spread throughout the article. I wonder if the other text is also "paraphrased" from the other sources. I can't access the book sources though. Just chiming in with my opinion here, I'll let someone more experienced with copyright issues assist in dealing with it. Rehevkor ✉ 03:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to say, the best option may be to stubify the article, which will remove the copyvio issues, until someone can rewrite it correctly. Rehevkor ✉ 03:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Tagged and listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2011 January 25. Rehevkor ✉ 00:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Annoying logout

Whenever I log in, I'm automatically logged out on the next WP page I open. I doubt it's cookies, the Firefox passwords dialog lists everything correct. It's really getting on my nerves. Autoconfirmed, Mac OSX, Nicky Nouse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.155.178 (talk) 03:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a private browsing setting? It may be on. Long shot, but clearing your cache may also help. Rehevkor ✉ 03:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I had that this morning. Deleted all my cookies in fireFox and it seems to have cleared up. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 03:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that worked. —Preceding signed comment added by Nicky Nouse (talk • contribs • wikia) 04:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Text formatting of multilingual translation

Hi there everyone, I've been looking at the page Mother tongue mirroring which has a lot of bilingual/multilingual examples, but I'm not sure how to format them properly. Take this example from German:

German:

‘Handschuh’ ‘glove’, *hand shoe

‘Zahnarzt’ ‘dentist’, * tooth doctor

‘Faustregel’ ‘rule of thumb’ *fist rule

‘Lehnwort’ ‘loanword’

I'm sure that italics and quotation marks should feature in here somehow, but I'm not quite sure how. Also, there is an example from Mandarin Chinese (indentation is from the original editor):

Mandarin:

         hǎo bù hǎo?        好不好?  ‘Is it good?’ *Good, not good?
         nán bù nán?        难不难?  ‘Is it difficult?’ *Difficult, not difficult?

This throws a non-latin script into the mix, making things even harder. I tried looking at the Manual of Style, but there didn't seem to be anything specific to this kind of situation. If you can tell me the proper formatting for these examples, I will be most grateful. — Mr. Stradivarius (drop me a line) 03:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I think a table of some sort would be the best option in this case. There could be a column for the original language, figurative translation, and literal translation. See Help:Table for more information. Intelligentsium 03:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion - it makes sense. I've changed all the examples to table format. Take a look. Do you think the words inside either of the translation columns should be in italics? All the best. — Mr. Stradivarius (drop me a line) 07:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Submitting photgraphs.

I have an extensive collection of photographs and would like to make submissions. While I have not officially copyrighted any of my images, the ones in question have all been shot and processed by me. Might my contributions be accepted for the site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.108.190 (talk) 03:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. If they are taken by you, you can upload them under any license. However, you must create an account first, and it would be preferable if you uploaded them on Commons, here. --T H F S W (T · C · E) 03:37, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Please be aware that you are required to release the imagines under certain licenses when uploading, please see Commons licensing for details, should you choose to upload there. Rehevkor ✉ 04:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Some people find the choice of a license daunting. If you feel that way too, {{cc-by-sa-3.0|attribution details}} would be a good choice. —teb728 t c 08:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

On Commons, you don't really need to worry about the syntax of the various license templates because you can select a license type from a list.

Once you've got a login, start off by going to commons:, then from the menu down the left select Upload file (if you don't see this, expand the "Participate" menu). Then select "It is entirely my own work". Fill in the form.

One of the items in the form is titled "Licensing", and starts off as "None selected". Click the down-arrow to expand the drop-down menu, then select "Multi-license with CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL (recommended)"; that will add the appropriate license tag. Then finish off the form. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Martyn_Godfrey

1. Hi! Could someone do me a favor? Could someone please clean up an article about an English-author? Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Godfrey 2. Also I wonder if the Category:American_Christians should go in the Ann_Dunham article because it says she was Christian. Thanks Neptunekh2 (talk)`

Martyn Godfrey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Several editors have worked on the article since this was posted. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I've answered the other question - it was also asked on my talkpage. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Download to Nook

Is there a convenient way to download Wikipedia articles to a Nook? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.10.143.80 (talk) 06:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing that this is referring to a Barnes & Noble Nook (which I had never heard of before I went searching for it just now). I don't know the answer, though. --ColinFine (talk) 10:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

If you don't get a good answer here, trying asking at Village pump (technical). -- John of Reading (talk) 13:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

When browsing the page you want to download, look on the left-hand side of the screen. Under Print/Export, click on "Download as PDF". Since the Nook accepts PDFs, it should work. You will then have to upload that PDF to your Nook, but since I do not have one, I am not sure about the exact way you would do it. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 20:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

finding error log history for a particular date

Hi Support, I am trying to find an error message going back 4 months for insurance purposes. I have gone into control panel- admin tools-event viewer- system & found error messages but they only go back 6 weeks & I have no idea how to go back further in time as I need to go back about 16 weeks. I would appreciate any help you could offer. Thanks Sherry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.220.29 (talk) 06:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. --Danger (talk) 07:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Trivia section

Does a "Student activities" section of an university falls under "trivia" policy which is needed to be avoided or tagged with template like "It contains a section with a list of miscellaneous information." i read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trivia sections), but still confused.--180.234.37.178 (talk) 11:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Please see Not all list sections are trivia sections and the accompanying page. Lists relating to one topic are normally appropriate, assuming you verify the list by citing reliable sources. Trivia is explicitly defined as "isolated" information that belongs nowhere else in the article; an example is given at the bottom of the trivia page. Xenon54 (talk) 11:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Original source of file uploads

I am trying to upload my company's logo for inclusion in an article. As "Original source" I have given: "Original material uploaded by the copyright holder", but I keep getting the error message "You must give the original source of the file, the author of the work, and a license". It's not clear to me what is required, and I can find no examples. I hope you can help, please.Olehenriksen (talk) 12:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Is your company Ole Henriksen? If that is the case you have more problems on your plate, please make sure you are aware of our guidelines on conflicts of interest, and your account will likely be blocked for having an inappropriate name, as it would seem the account is here only to promote the company, see WP:CORPNAME. As for your image woes, I suppose this is a help desk so I should at least try and help. If you're trying to upload it as fair use, you generally need a url for the source. If as a free image, well for now you'd be out of luck, as you'd first need to send some evidence of permission via th OTRS system. Rehevkor ✉ 13:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Logos has details of uploading logos under "fair use". -- John of Reading (talk) 13:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Last time I uploaded a logo, I cliked "Upload file" in the toolbox on the left of the page, then clicked the word "organization" in the line "It is the logo of an organization, brand, product, public facility, or other item" on the page that came up. If you do this, then near the bottom of the next page there'll be a drop-down box called "Licensing", for which one of the options is "Logo". Choosing "Logo" creates a canned fair use rationale appropriate for copyrighted logos. If you do this and fill in one or two compulsory lines that you'll see in the summary field, that should fulfil the license requirement. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 13:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) The error message (which as far as I can tell is given only at the Wikimedia Commons, not upon a Wikipedia upload) covers three different requirements—if you leave off any one you will get this same error message inclusive of all. So, since you have stated you are filling in the original source field, have you filled in the author field, and (what I suspect is most likely the problem) remembered to choose a license for the file from the dropdown license menu near the bottom of the upload form marked "licensing"? Also since it appears that you trying to upload at the Commons, which is only for suitably freely licensed or public domain files, are you sure you're uploading it in the right place? (Few company logos are freely licensed or PD). Maybe you should be following the advice of those above for a fair use upload on Wikipedia.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Unbiased opinion?

Hi,
I have come accross several places where there is an evolutionist belief stated, such as "this creature is believed to be 300 million years old," but it does not say that the belief is according to evolutionists. I was wondering, is that being unbiased? Because not everyone who reads WP will be an evolutionists. I am not, for one.
Thank you,Paperfork ♠ 12:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

This is allowed and there is a guideline specifically mentioning it: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Making necessary assumptions. There is huge scientific consensus about evolution. Wikipedia doesn't want to mention various contradicting religious claims all over tens of thousands of scientific articles. The evolution article itself mentions creationism but scientific articles about various species can assume evolution. However, a scientific reference for a specific number like 300 million years would be nice. Evolutionists don't agree about everything. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

You might be interested in the FAQ at the top of Talk:Evolution. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 13:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

... although I agree with you that "believed to be" makes the science of evolution enter into the territory of religion. "Thought to be", or "predicted to be" might be better in this context... Hope (but am not sure) that helps! L.tak (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. FYI, that example I gave is not an exact quote. I was making reference to the fact that I have seen things like that before. Paperfork ♠ 03:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Notability

I am writing an individual article for a musician of a notable band. All of the members of the band have individual wikipedia pages except for one. The band in question is Panic! at the Disco and the member in question is Spencer Smith. It folllows the notability criteria for the wikipedia music page, having released multi-platinum albums, worked with other bands, been on tv/radio for a half an hour or more and has been nominated for large awards and has won the VMAs. However someone keeps removing the content written and stating that the page fails the criteria. How can I prove he is notable so that the page can stay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilime180 (talk • contribs)

Article in question before redirecting here. I won't comment on specifics but, Wikipedia:Notability (music) specifies that "members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band." He does not inherit notability from the band, so their accomplishments do not automatically grant him his own article. I'm not really seeing evidence of him being independently notable in the article itself. Rehevkor ✉ 16:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

A complicating factor is that your work is being reverted by an IP whom I suspect is a blocked user editing logged out - see the 12 June 2010 entry in the history. I don't have the experience to comment on what difference that makes. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I copy/pasted the edit summary from the last editor. Hope that's not a crime. --194.150.65.30 (talk) 00:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

In October 2008, there was a discussion about the article that resulted in a merge/redirect. See here. Then in July 2009 the article was restored here, not clear why. Then in 2010 there's been a battle to put it back to a redirect.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

BrightBlackHeaven (talk · contribs)? He was blocked for being a compromised account apparently. Also complicated. Rehevkor ✉ 16:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

It is worth noting that Spencer Smith has done little outside of his work as a member of Panic! at the Disco. What more is there to say about him that isn't already said in the band's article? (edit) The other band members who do have their own articles, have done other things: Ryan Ross and Jon Walker left to form The Young veins; and Brendon Urie has done some work as a session musician and singer for Fall Out Boy. Astronaut (talk) 17:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know enough about the policy issues (and am too lazy to figure it out) but if the article was nominated for deletion and the decision was a merge, it would seem that an unmerge has to be justified other than just an editor coming along and doing it. Also, from the comments here, it still doesn't sound like Smith's notability has changed.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Wouldnt it be considered notable though since he has also played the drums part for other bands such as Black Gold and He also is promited my promark drumsticks? Jon Walker from Panic at the Disco didnt do anything notable until he left Panic at the Disco and he had a page before.Just sayin.Emilime180 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilime180 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. Your last attempt with the Spencer Smith (musician) article didn't mention Black Gold at all and the Black Gold article (if I have the correct band) doesn't mention Spencer Smith at all. If you can find a reliable source linking Spencer Smith to Black Gold or other notable acts, then why not be bold again and add it. As for promoting a certain brand of drumsticks, I very much doubt that will help unless you can find a reliable source saying something about it (like the size of the deal, how long it'll last, how unusual it is for this brand of drumsticks to seek promotion deals with musicians... ie. not just mentioning it in passing). Astronaut (talk) 01:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Brain drain

What is the main reason for Brain drain? Is it because of political instability or personal problems or own interest or anythng else. Plz post ur opinion.i wld b very glad, if u can post whether your are also a brain drainer r nt ? Sorry,for my poor english .Thx in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santosh003 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the information you seek can be found at Brain drain? Rehevkor ✉ 16:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Acetic acid article

I don't know how to correct the article. I just wanted to alert someone about the section on Vinegar, the first sentence of which is:

Scetic acid comprises typically 4 to 18% of vinegar, with the percentage usually calculated by mass. are used directly as a condiment, and also —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.107.223 (talk) 16:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

That section of the Acetic acid article had a couple of minor typos - now corrected. You could have corrected this yourself by clicking the small blue [edit] link to the right of the section header. Astronaut (talk) 17:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

making small changes to EDIT a film within WIKIPEDIA

HOW CAN I EDIT INFORMATION ABOUT THE FILM " ABOVE US THE WAVES " WITHIN WIKIPEDIA FILES .I AM A LEGITIMATE CONTRIBUTOR — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babs4andbill4 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps Wikipedia:How to edit a page will be of some use to you. Rehevkor ✉ 17:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Click on this link to the film's article and click on the "edit" tab, but please remember to switch off caps lock before you start typing - lots of all caps is difficult to read and often comes across as shouting. Astronaut (talk) 17:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Also remember that any information which you add or amend should be cited using references at reliable sources which are independent of the subject. -- PhantomSteve.alt/talk\^{[alternative account of Phantomsteve]} 03:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikilinking in references

I have noticed on multiple occasions that in references and inline citations, such as a newspaper reference to The New York Times, the newspaper title or other entity of the citation is linked to that article. For example, the reference would say author, date, etc., and then (usually) link The New York Times, the title of the newspaper in this example, to the article of the same name. I always thought that looked odd—to wikilink inside a reference. Is it favorable to do this or not? —Untitledmind⁷² (let's talk + contribs) 17:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I haven't read a policy/guideline on this. However, I do add links inside references to journals/newspapers/etc. if the linked article exists. So, I would link Mumbai Mirror (like I did in this edit), but not Momento24 (an Argentinian web journal I cited with this edit). I have received no complaints yet. Astronaut (talk) 18:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I too know of no page directly speaking to this, but my sensibility is that, though the issues are not exactly parallel, the manual of style section for overlinking and underlinking is instructive by analogy. The concern addressed by linking a source is making verification as easy as possible. If someone wants to check a reference, especially if it's not freely available online, they might first want to check the availability of the source and the article on it may contain information facilitating that. Few would need to read our article on The New York Times to learn how to gain access to an article cited to it, but they might for, say, the Indian Journal of Plastic Surgery. Of course, if the citation provides a direct convenience link to the document cited, then linking the newspaper/journal it appears in seems rather useless. Also it seems to me that like article links, if you're going to provide a link to a source, it should only be necessary to link the first use of it. Linking the NYT for 70 citations in a row has no utility I can see.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

As of this time last year, this was not directly addressed in any policy or guideline. See this discussion, which fizzled out before any consensus emerged. Some argued that repeated links in references aren't a bad thing, because references aren't read as prose, and because clicking on an inline link within the article body skips preceding references. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 00:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll wikilink publication and publisher if there's articles on them, but not place of publication, year, etc. I believe it can be helpful for readers wanting more information about the reliability or notability of the source. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 00:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Sub Metal- New Genre classification

I don't appreciate that I'm at the forefront of my own style of music and you have these people on here deleting it cause I'm so called "insignificant" which is completely ridiculous. All of you can't think of anything on your own which is why you're here. I'm here to make a mark. What I would appreciate is a little help with this not being deleted: Sub Metal

Main article: Sub Metal Sub metal comes in only one form pioneered by the recording artist/composer Butterfly Molly. In it's entirety, the genre pretty much speaks for itself but can be identified with the ears honed in on heavy drum beats, hard/crunchy guitar riffs, deep bass guitars and most of all. The Sub Bass. All working together on a downtempo/half stepping groove to create one of the most powerful and engulfing sounds/music this millennial generation has heard yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unseenmusicgroup (talk • contribs) 17:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

"Sub metal" does not seem to exist outside that article. Without reliable sources it just seems to be something you made up and has no place on Wikipedia. Your username seems to be a violation of our username policy as it's being used to promote your self and the "music group". Rehevkor ✉ 17:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I've not looked at the discussion, but it is likely that what you are interpreting as "insignificant" is the phrase "not notable". "Notable" has a specific meaning in Wikipedia: if you are not notable, nobody is saying that you are unimportant or insignificant: they are merely saying that so far, no independent reliable sources have written substantial content about you. That is the criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia. So far you have not provided one single reference, let alone the multiple independent reliables sources that are required for a Wikipedia article. See WP:MUSIC. --ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

As the admin who deleted the article, I'll echo what others have said. Not notable is not the same as insignificant. Wikipedia is not the place to make your mark; make your mark in the music world, and someone will write about it, then we can. It doesn't start here. We are not a primary source or even a secondary source, by design. We are a tertiary source—summarizing, and organizing what other reliable sources report.--SPhilbrickT 21:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible to "whitelist" my Talk page so that it will not be protected by the anti-vandalism filter?

Usually I edit as user:Agradman, but recently I've been using WikiBreak Enforcer to lock myself out so I edit less. But I still check my talk page, and I often want to delete stuff from my talk page. Unfortunately, an anti-vandalism filter is triggered whenever I try to do so. In order to get my deletions around the filter, I have to delete stuff one line at a time.

Hence the question: Could I whitelist user_talk:Agradman from that anti-vandalism filter? In my 2 yrs of wikipedia editing, I have never drawn a single instance of vandalism, so I'm not worried about side effects.

Thanks. I suppose my identity as user:Agradman could be verified by sending an email through that WP account. 75.4.194.121 (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I can't see anything on Wikipedia:Edit filter for any kind of whitelisting, but it may be worth a shot asking on the talk page there. But tbh, I doubt it'd be possible, you'll probably just have to put up with the extra click to confirm your edit. Rehevkor ✉ 18:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Why not get an admin to undo your Wikibreak so you can unsubscribe from the Signpost. That should reduce the clutter on your talk page. You can then recreate your Wikibreak. Buy why bother, it is only a month before the wikibreak is over. Astronaut (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Categories drive me crazy

United States District Court for the Central District of California (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

An editor just added the category "Government in Orange County, California" to this article. It already had the categories "Government in Riverside County, California" and "Government of Los Angeles, California". Puting aside the issue of why LA is the only with with "of" instead of "in", what do these categories mean? Using Orange County as an example, do they mean articles about OC government, or do they mean articles involving governmental entities located in OC? I wish Wikipedia categories had real descriptions as to what the category is intended to encompass. So many times it isn't obvious, at least not to me.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

To me the "of" would mean itt is part of the county gov't, and "in" would leave it open to any gov't in the county, that could be local, state, or federal. CTJF83 chat 20:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that's a reasonable inference, and I had the same thought, but doesn't it seem odd that there is no category for LA County that uses "in", and wouldn't it be nice if the categories actually had a clear description? Using your inference, the LA County cat should be removed, and the other two should stay. Then, of course, there are the other counties that are located in the Central District - haven't looked at what categories exist for them.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Ya, they aren't always 100% clear. You could always go to WP:CFD and propose a rename of the LA county to "in" CTJF83 chat 22:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

getting to your website

getting redirected to advistising sites when looking up specific subjects when using google. ie. use of spurs click link gets redirected. not good for you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.181.164 (talk) 19:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

This sounds more like a problem with Google or just a case of mistaken identity. Can you have any specific examples? Rehevkor ✉ 19:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

This has come up before - example - and is probably a virus at your end. Read this help page at Google. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Gadget that easies to switch articles between only two languages. Pleeeeeeeeeeeease!

Subject: Gadget that easies to switch articles between only two languages. Pleeeeeeeeeeeease!

Can someone create a gadget that easies to choose between Polish and English articles (or other languages of your choice), removing all the other languages from the sidebar? I would like to have this option in my account preferences. I would love something like this. In touch phone that would be especially helpful as the screan is very small and to tap the chosen language out of list on the side is frustraiting. Im interpreter and I would find that function very useful. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonikaUK2007 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Post your request at Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals CTJF83 chat 23:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

You could put something like this in your monobook.css.

#p-lang li { display:none; }
#p-lang li.interwiki-en { display:block; }
#p-lang li.interwiki-pl { display:block; }
#p-lang li.interwiki-OTHERLANGUAGECODE { display:block; }

―cobaltcigs 07:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Unclear how to add a discussion item in physics portal

The article "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_Point_Method" provides a link to the Physics portal to discuss the page. Following that link, however, it is unclear how to then contribute to a discussion about the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.127.50 (talk) 23:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Click the portal link, then the "discussions" tab, or click here CTJF83 chat 23:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

But if you want to discuss the MPM article itself, rather than discussing the Physics project or the Physics portal, click the "new section" link at Talk:Material Point Method. The link that Ctfj83 gave above is for discussing the Physics "project". If you want to discuss the Physics "portal", this is the link. - David Biddulph (talk) 23:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes, thanks for the correction CTJF83 chat 23:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)