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March 1

Why have the colors changed when viewing diffs?

The green has changed to blue, and the red is now bold and highlighted. It threw me off. Why did they change? - Purplewowies (talk) 00:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

There was a major upgrade to the MediaWiki engine that runs Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Any way to get the green back in diffs? for details. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 00:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I had looked for an answer to this myself, but I checked the wrong Village pump! Thanks! - Purplewowies (talk) 01:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Server acting weird

Does anybody notice that several pages do not load all of a sudden? The screen keeps turning white and I keep having to refresh it. I hope this is temporary. Tinton5 (talk) 00:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Screen goes blank says there is a problem with revisionjumper. Try to disable it at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets if you have enabled it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

yeah yeah

Continent Travel Userboxes

Are there any userboxes that apply to travel to specific continents? Allen (talk) 00:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

As a continent, only {{Template:User Visit Antarctica}}, next closest is {{Template:User Australian states and territories visited}}. Dru of Id (talk) 02:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Userboxes/Travel#Non-specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I have checked Wikipedia:Userboxes/Travel, but there aren't any userboxes that have to do with continents, just countries, U.S. states, and some cities. Allen (talk) 10:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

There is a userbox about continents. Take a look at my user page. Astronaut (talk) 10:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

What I'm asking is this: There are userboxes that state "This user has visited <country name>." (and use the flag of the country). But are there any that do the same for continents (using a map of the continent)?Allen (talk) 11:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

This user has visited Africa

You can make your own with {{Userbox}} (see parameter options there). The example uses an image of Africa from the first page of search results [1]. Note that Wikipedia:User pages#Images applies to userboxes so you cannot use non-free images. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion. By the way, can I use the example you made? Is there a title for it? I appreciate your help. Allen (talk) 22:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I made the example in reply to your post. It is unnamed. You can copy the code directly to your user page without naming it. You don't have to store it in a named page and then transclude the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, PrimeHunter, for your help on this. Allen (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

sSick of australian content

Why is there at least one article about australia on your main page EVERY DAY? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.144.172 (talk) 01:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

There isn't. Sometimes a topic occurs several times in a short period by coincidence. It's the first time I have heard this stated about Australia. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#I think that the articles listed on the Main Page are awful and much more important articles should be there instead. Isn't the Main Page biased towards certain topics? What can be done about it? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:00, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

• Why is so much of the English WP focussed on the US? I never hear anyone complain about that bias and it is very clear to see on the main page throughout the year. - 194.60.106.17 (talk) 08:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Americans are by far the largest group among editors of the English Wikipedia. It's not surprising that many volunteer editors write about their own country. See also Wikipedia:Systemic bias. The archives of Talk:Main Page have many complaints about US bias. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

When adding the do you know's to the front page there is an effort to limit US topics to 50%, but there is no statment yet about Australian topics. What is happening is that there are some enthusiastic writers creating Australian content with an effort to get a "Do you know" listed. On offer is a trip to the Paralympics for the best work. Your solution will be to register and start writing on topics that you prefer. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Not sure how to propose for deletion

This article is original research, but I’ve never gone through the process of proposing deletion. I read the relevant pages, but it doesn’t seem clear. Anyone care to advise, or just do it? DOR (HK) (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Sourced content, no different than List of U.S. states by GDP. Might be synthesis, but definitely not original research. Encylopedic subject covered by government and independent publications. 7 years old with periodic changes of annual data. You can nominate it if you want. Dru of Id (talk) 02:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Need someone who speaks German and is friendly

New user, User:DrAhmedSawy, has created a sandbox article at User:DrAhmedSawy/sandbox. The article is in German, however, and perhaps this user would be more comfortable working at de.wikipedia, and instead ended up at English Wikipedia by mistake. If someone who is fluent, or at least comfortable, in German could leave them a nice, welcoming, friendly note letting them know about the different language Wikipedia, and directing him to the German Wikipedia, that would be awesome. Thanks for anyone that can help with this! --Jayron32 04:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

He may have been drafting the new version which he posted a few hours ago at de:Formula Mundi (dif). —teb728 t c 04:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

About errors on the page Orange Orange. We want to clarify info about the band Orange Orange.We have the RIGHT BIOGRAPHY

Hello, I tried putting on the RIGHT info on Wikipedia, because i saw there was already something on the band, so wanted to correct it. Here is the valid biography. Please note that the page is not complete, and who ever did that dosent have any info. For example: We are not from Quebec, we are from Montreal.

Here is my response to the agent' that refused my corrections: 'The info on the band was already on Wikipedia. Who are you to decide if the band is notable or not? Or less important than a fictionnal frozen yogurt shop? I don't think so and, The fans of the band either. This is idiot, i will follow with my complaint. Plus, the info that was already on wiki is NOT complete.. So, my first interest was puting the right info there. By the way we exist and have been selling albums sinse 2009. Distributed in Canada by DEP/Universal music. This is the biography that we want about the band, the CORRECT one, approuved by the record label. Thanks a lot.'

Proposed text hidden
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Orange Orange: music: band: Orange Orange is a music duo from Montreal, Canada. Dom Hamel and Sabrina Sabotage, a couple in life, united their talents for the first time in 2008 when Sabrina joined her sweet voice to Dom's, at that time, he was a member of the rap band Gatineau. She worked with him on the album of the rap combo, and it won a Felix for best hip hop album at the 2009 ADISQ gala. Then they created Orange Orange, and with their first album in 2009, they were nominated for Best Alternative Album of the year and won the Felix for the Artwork cover of the album, called simply Orange Orange. They are since known for their dynamic duo act and for their artistic and generous citrus powered performances. Sometimes copper coloured with deep lyrics, but always flashy on the music, their songs are made to party! They both sing: you can see some Beat-box live and some rock-romantic guitars from Dom Hamel, (the guy) and some drums, keys and looping live (from the girl), Sabrina Sabotage. Proud vintage casio enthusiasts, their groovy song concepts are delivered on stage as if they where a 6 peace band. Let's tell it like it is: you can see a lot of sex appeal on stage. Since 2008, they have toured major cities all around Canada, and went on a French tour as well as opening for the electro quintet Misteur Valaire in Paris, summer 2010. They where greatly noticed there, as they participated to some of the biggest festivals; Les FrancoFolies de Larochelle in France and Spa in Belgium. They have been seen on tv shows and in cultural events celebrating Quebec or the French language all over the country. Their second album, Tropical Passion, was released on october 11th 2011, and it's been said that it's a great dose of invigorating vitamins and sensual song-writing. Thermodynamics texts with a pop pulsation and electro fruity beats. Their first single is playing non-stop on commercial radios all around Quebec, and this is a first for them, because their music was always said to be to artistic for radios. But times have changed, and they are happy to share their music with a wider audience now, they have always wanted to bring more artistic values into the commercial music world of Quebec. They are now working on a record deal in France and Belgium, and expect to have their album out with a major publishing/record agency in 2012, as their is good interest in the band, also on booking. Through their music, these talented musicians can speak to other nations than french-born-speaking people, their message and party values go further than the typical language barrier.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SabrinaSab (talk • contribs) 05:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The page Orange Orange was a disambiguation page. Disambiguation pages are only meant to be pages where someone who is searching for something can find things that have the same name. If your band is notable an article would need to be written about it. You would not be the person to write about it because you have a conflict of interest and we highly discourage people with a conflict of interest writing the articles. GB fan 06:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

And if there were an article about you, its content would not be subject to what you want or what your record label approves. If your proposed text did appear in an article, it would be deleted on sight as unambiguously promotional. —teb728 t c 06:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Some other sites allow a subject to have a page just because the subject exists, and they allow a subject to control the content of the page about them. Wikipedia is not like that: In order to have an article a subject must fulfill our notability standard. And the subject has if anything less right than others to control the page. —teb728 t c 06:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

AND IF WE SHOUT SOME MORE WIKIPEDIA WILL BEND ITS KNEES AND TREMBLE! Please review Wikipedia pôlicies before coming here and ranting. Love and encouragement, CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 13:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject proposal

Resolved

Is there some kind of deadline regarding proposals listed at WP:COUNCIL/P? What happens with proposals not having gained a considerable amount of support if they have been listed for some time? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:08, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals says that failed proposals are moved the archive after three months (so from 1 February, ~1 May). Dru of Id (talk) 12:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:46, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Printable editing information?

Is there a printable tutorial or short manual for editing Wikipedia? I have found one tutorial but it only prints one page at a time and it may have a linked stucture that makes it difficult to get all of it. E.g. a pdf version would be very welcome. In particular subjects such as references,links to other languages, special characters and fonts/styles tables and pictures are of interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.227.15.253 (talk) 10:50, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia pages have a "Print/export" section on the left side bar which gives an option of downloading as pdf... did you mean that? --lTopGunl (talk) 10:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I guess you found Wikipedia:Tutorial which is poorly suited for printing. See Wikipedia:Cheatsheet, and the See also links there for more detailed pages, especially Help:Wiki markup. Print Media:Cheatsheet-en.pdf or the first page of Media:Welcome2WP English Flap 081810.pdf if you want to save paper. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia – The Missing Manual. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Display of "My contributions" has changed for the worse

I notice the display of "My Contributions" has changed to include bytes changed in red/green when using the monobook skin. The problem is that the article names now no longer align vertically, making the page much harder to read. How do I go back to the previous version or ask that the bytes changed be moved to the end? Astronaut (talk) 11:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

This technical thread has instructions for removing them. The alignment problem has also been mentioned, and I hope that gets fixed. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Redirect Failed nation to Failed state ?

I searched for a "Failed nation" article on WP and found a search option (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/Failed_nation), which ironically asked me, "Did you mean: Favored nation?" ... Ahem. But the main point is that a "Failed state" article, which is the one I was looking for, exists but is quite low (#20) on the results list.

My question is, could anyone make a redirect? So far, I can come up with the following reasoning:

• Pro: the term "Failed nation" appears in the lead of the "Failed state" article, in the meaning of the article subject
• Pro: the article appears quite late in the search results -- impatient readers might even give up before scrolling down to it
• Pro: redirects are cheap

• Con: it does not exist yet, maybe it would conflict a policy of Wikipedia
• Con: the article does appear in the results list, so it is the reader's fault if he doesn't scroll down that far ;)

So far, I think the Pro side has it, unless of course there is a policy I overlooked that naysays the proposal.

I am a bit uncertain if the HD is the proper place to ask, but as far as redirects are concerned...

Articles for creation doesn't apply, in that I only want a redirect towards a fine article, not another article, which would essentially mirror the existing one anyway.

Articles for deletion doesn't apply either. Some articles are turned into redirects, but in my case, there is no "Failed nation" article which could be 'redirectified.'

The article talk page looks like another wrong approach too, as I don't want to change the article proper.

WP:ANI looks like massive overkill for the tiny addition of a redirect.

Thanks in advance, 217.251.164.48 (talk) 11:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Be bold, since 'Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion' deals with existing problematic redirects, although I suggest reading Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Neutrality of redirects there which should show that, yes, you have thought this out correctly. Dru of Id (talk) 11:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I see no issue, although be careful about POV of terminology, such as "regime" denoting a government not favored by Hillary Clinton.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:30, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for showing me the correct avenue Dru of Id and Wehwalt.

By the way, what is considered an article and what is not? I've read about the 3.9 million articles of Wikipedia. Does that include stubs? Articles for deletion? Already deleted articles which can be undeleted by administrators? Are disambiguation pages considered "articles" or merely "pages"? Rules and internal pages (anything starting with "Wikipedia:" or WP:)? Are they considered articles?

Thanks in advance, again. 217.251.163.69 (talk) 12:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The article count includes all pages in the main space (sometimes called the article space or article namespace) that are not redirects, which are filtered out. There were about 5.2 million redirects alone as of January 2012. The article designation does not include any pages in different namespaces. Pages in the mainspace are easily distinguished from other types of pages because they alone have no namespace prefix in their title, as all other namespace pages do. So any page you see with a namespace prefix ("Wikipedia", "User:", "Wikipedia talk:", "User talk", "template:" etc.) are not included in an "article" count. The article count does include stubs as well as disambiguation pages. Right now there are 60,568,432 total pages on the project.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Unregistered users can suggest new redirects at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects, linked from the bottom of Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Registered users can create redirects and articles right away. Registering is free, easy and has many benefits. See also Wikipedia:What is an article? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gerald_Charles_Dickens

Peter Dickens was my father and I have noted an error on this page. He was born on 4 June 1917 (not 6 April) and he was therefore 69 years old when he died. It seems to be a simple transcription error of month and day. Mark Dickens — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.170.238.178 (talk) 11:30, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The current date is unsourced; I am unable to verify this to a reliable online source, and everything I looked at mirrors Wikipedia. Tranposition errors do occur. Can you point us to a reference you know to be correct? Dru of Id (talk) 12:29, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Welsh Development Agency

Welsh Development Agency (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Someone without dialogue blocked me from editing the above. No contact, dialogue or warning. I actually own this company. This dispute must be resolved for legal reasons. I have tried contacting those involved such as EyeSerene but am not allowed. It also appears a Lawyer from Cardiff is involved and has been vexatious. This lawyer may work for the Welsh Government (circumstantial evidence) and Wiki may be being manipulated Please help resolve this in a non confrontational manner- which is not how "Wiki" has behaved up until now, despite its policies. I have no desire to issue subpoenas.

Kind regards

Chairman of Mae Awdurdod Datblygu Cymru Ltd- The Welsh Development Agency — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awdurdod (talk • contribs) 11:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Continuing from above. Dru of Id (talk) 11:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It has been semi-protected (See Wikipedia:Protection policy#Semi-protection) until May 23, meaning only autoconfirmed users can edit it. Dru of Id (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you should read Wikipedia:No legal threats. The article in question is about the executive agency, and later public body, nhot about your company. If you feel your company is notable enough, it can have it's own article, but you can't hijack this one. - Happysailor ^(Talk) 12:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

If there were an article about your company, anyone associated with it or its employees would have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest which would prevent them from most editing of the article. Dru of Id (talk) 12:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

And your username probably conflicts with Wikipedia:Username policy - Arjayay (talk) 13:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I have expanded on this at User talk:Awdurdod.  Frank  |  talk  13:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I left a note there too. 67.117.145.9 (talk) 18:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I suspect I'm the "lawyer from Cardiff" accused of being vexatious and working for the Welsh Government. If so, neither of these statements is true. Fosse8 (talk) 12:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Archive Setup

I have tried to setup talk page archive to User:AnkhMorpork but it somehow points to my archives.Could someone setup/explain what seems to be the problem.Thank you--Shrike (talk) 12:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

You had set up the user's talk page to include the following:

{{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis |archiveprefix=User talk:Shrike/Archives/ |format=Y/F |age=72 |index=yes |archivebox=yes |box-advert=yes }}

so that's why that user's archive index points to your user ID. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:49, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes but I have removed it and it still points to my archives--Shrike (talk) 12:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

That's presumably because the archive index page User:ClueBot III/Master Detailed Indices/User talk:AnkhMorpork exists and points to your archives. I guess that you'd have to delete that page and set up again? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

If you've corrected the links, wait for the bot to make its next run on the talk page.. it'll fix the links and the master index. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

List of people diagnosed with dyslexia

List of people diagnosed with dyslexia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The above captioned article, sad to say, is a lot of hogwash, and perpetuates urban myths and outright hoaxes.

Other Wikipedians have already stressed this, in the Talk page, starting from at least 2004, but this totally unreliable Wikipedia article still remains there.

Serious scholars know about these urban myths: http://dyslexia.learninginfo.org/famous-people.htm

Please flag this article as totally unreliable. I would do it myself if I knew how to do so.

This article is a blot of Wikipedia's scholarly reputation.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

Joe Gatt (talk) 14:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

We have a source for nearly every person in that article, due to the touchiness of its subject matter. Additionally, your source only makes claims about two of the subjects of the article and cites absolutely no sources. As for the talk page, the users who expressed concern expressed it against an older revision of the article that lacked references. If you are concerned that the claims about Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison may be unreliable, please post them on the talk page, but be prepared to re-enforce your claims with reliable, third-party sources. Interchangeable|talk to me 18:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Joan Wolf - references

I was on the site of Joan Wolf and I noticed that quite a few of the book titels refer to an outside site (her own), but the info to which it refers is or just a list or an error. I personally think that these direct links can be removed (and I'm willing to do it), cause shouldn't they link to another wiki-page about the book?--Dianafl (talk) 14:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Correct, per WP:EL the "inline" external links should be removed and replaced with wikilinks to articles about the books, if such articles exist.--ukexpat (talk) 15:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Where specifically does it say that in WP:EL, I've gone looking a couple of times, but haven't found it there. :( Naraht (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

reformating partitioned C: drive

My C: drive is partitioned ... Can I reformat C: drive without harming (losing) my partitioned D: data files ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DiceTrakkr (talk • contribs) 14:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Math formula rendering

What causes the two expressions showing the binary representations of 1093 and 3511 at Wieferich prime#Binary periodicity of p-1 to be rendered as PNG? These two expressions previously rendered as normal HTML, but there doesn't seem to be a recent change to these two formulas in the article, so I am confused as to why that is. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, under Special:Preferences under Appearance I found that under "Math" Always render PNG is enabled. I guess that is the cause, although I can't remember having changed this setting. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:31, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The available settings changed in the most recent software update, so that some previously-available settings are no longer available. This is because the now-unavailable ones were broken in various ways and also mostly undocumented so that only inspection of the source code could tell what was actually meant. It seems that the current version only supports PNG math images. I hope that manage to improve things in a future release. — Carl (CBM · talk) 15:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the information about the update, I was unaware of that. I edited the relevant section of the article to avoid math formulas entirely. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics#'New' math rendering options. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Let's hope the developers manage to implement MathJax in the near future. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 21:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Demotion to Good

Can Featured Articles that have deteriorated in quality be demoted to Good Articles, or must they lose their status entirely? Interchangeable|talk to me 18:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:FA and WP:GA are seperate statuses entirely, and have seperate nomination and promotion procedures. An article which has lost FA status does not automatically get downgraded to GA status. If an article meets the GA criteria, after having lost Featured status, you are free to nominate it to get that status. --Jayron32 19:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I should add that if a GA is promoted to FA, it loses its status as GA. That status is not restored automatically on demotion, a new nomination must be done.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Article is outdated tag

I have tried to place the "This article is outdated" tag at the top of the article Lent Talks, but I was not successful in making a tag there. I tried to do this by copying the tag that appears at the top of List of Wikipedias. When I tried to copy the tag from that article, it did not really look like a tag. Does any one know how one can apply the tag there? Thank you in advance for any offers of help, many thanks, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

{{Out of date}}.--ukexpat (talk) 20:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

(ec) try {{Update}} and {{Primary sources}}. Looks you didn't add a tag but just added plain text.RudolfRed (talk) 20:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. It appears that the problem is now fixed (you can look at the article Lent Talks to check that this is so). Again, thank you for your help, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit conflict

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T6745

Why does an edit conflict in a section cause the edit conflict tool to show the whole page? That is, I can edit by section, but when I submit and get an edit conflict I have to go into full-page edit to solve it. Is there a way to just have just the section I was trying to edit show up in the edit conflict resolver thingy? RudolfRed (talk) 20:30, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

There has long been a request to change this. See Bugzilla:4745. If you have a Bugzilla account then you can vote on the bug. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

IE9 compatability with Wikipedia

I've noticed that when a bulleted list is to the right of an image, the bullets appear left-justified and on top of the image (searching the archives, this problem was discussed before at Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2012_January_1#Blue dots show up only on thumbnail image??). The solution suggested there seemed to be to move the image, but I'm not concerned with getting one article to look right, but getting any article I happen to view to look right. Turning on compatability mode makes the bullets correctly appear to the right of the image. However, that isn't an ideal solution since I've noticed that scrolling up and down quickly on a page with a large table (such as List of highest-grossing films) will cause IE9 to crash when compatability mode is on (but not when compatabilty mode is off). Does anyone know of a way to get IE9 to display pages correctly but also not crash (without having to switch back and forth between having compatabilty mode on and off)? Or is there a place where I can report these incompatabilities to someone who develeops Wikipedia code, so that the problems could perhaps be fixed in the future? Calathan (talk) 22:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:VPT is what you want.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)