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September 10

a patroller

Surely the patrollers can see when a new page is being edited? As a new user, I saved a new page a small amount of info as I added it, as I was learning how to add it. Only to have the page "cited for speedy deletion" after I added every other bit of info that would've proven it's relevance. The guy doesn't seem to give us newbies a chance to put together a proper page. All my additional info has been deleted and only an opening summary lies there now. What a waste of my time! This has completely ruined the new user experience for me. Considering Wikipedia occasionally petitions for fundraising because the page is run by volunteers etc, I now have zero inclination to donate if it's going to go towards that dismissive person who deleted my info :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funhouse99 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to Esjay Jones? Looking at the history, I don't see that anything got deleted. I recommend you follow WP:YFA to create your first article. RudolfRed (talk) 02:59, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

@Funhouse99: I also must recommend reading WP:YFA and using the article wizard for your first few articles. Not because there's any problems, but because they are more welcoming than a CSD template like you saw. Also, just a trivial piece of information, your donations go to funding technical things (mostly), such as servers, and people to keep them up. None of the editors of the English Wikipedia, be they new page patrollers, administrators, bureaucrats, or just editors gets paid any money at all from your donations. ~Charmlet ^-talk-

(edit conflict) I have provided a number of useful links for you on your user talk page. In particular you should read WP:Your first article. Rather than trying to generate an incomplete article in article space, you ought to develop your draft as a user subpage, which you could call User:Funhouse99/Esjay Jones, or through the article for creation process. This will allow your work to be reviewed when you think it meets Wikipedia's standards, rather than being deleted. Note that no content has yet been deleted from Esjay Jones, but it is quite likely that the whole article will be deleted because it contains no references to demonstrate the subject's notability. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:13, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Another editor has moved your draft to User:Funhouse99/Esjay Jones, so you can now work on it without immediate risk of deletion. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

In addition Funhouse99, you asked a specific question which wasn't answered, can a patroller see that an article is being edited. In short, no. If you happen to open the article for editing, the software doesn't literally open the article, it makes a copy and opens in an editing window, If you spent an hour working on it, no one else would know it was open. That's one of the reason that it is better to work in user space, as no one can tell that you might be working on it.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:51, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

ok, thanks guys — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funhouse99 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

David, thank you for converting the page. I've now "built" the page and can hopefully submit without deletion. I really appreciate everyone else's advice, links, etc as this process is quite tedious especially if one has no coding knowledge outside of Myspace... Might somebody be able to tell me how to make one of those discography boxes that are often on artist pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funhouse99 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

--Funhouse99 (talk) 23:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Would you be looking for {{Discography list}}? - Karenjc 16:38, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

thank you so much Karenjc :) --Funhouse99 (talk) 22:28, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Pic captions

I feel serious need for a maintenance template telling editors not to litter pictures' captions in the articles with irrelevant details on the particluar picture. Ukrained2012 (talk) 03:41, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried bringing your concerns to WT:Templates? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Gannon Dunkerley

sir ,please add the page of a company GANNON DUNKERLEY CO. LTD ,i have tried many times but i nt gt success....plz add this page ...this is very large organisation serving from 1924 in india — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sid053 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Sid053. According to your list of contributions, this post is your first edit. Did you work on this company's article under another username? I notice that you are typing your company name in all capital letters. This may be part of the problem, since this is against Wikipedia policy. You should spell it Gannon Dunkerley instead. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I think, Anne, that you need to remember that deleted articles are not shown on the user's contribution record. You may have missed the fact that the OP had written Gannon dunkerley corporation limited, which was speedily deleted under the criteria A7 and G11. A message on the OP's user talk page explains this. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:47, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

A previous attempt was deleted, with the details shown at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gannon Dunkerley & Company. It appeared, from the evidence available at that time, that the company did not meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Sourav87, User talk:Skcpublic and User talk:182.72.245.138 were among those previously involved, and copyright violations were mentioned at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2012 July 17. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:58, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I apologize to Sid053 for my not very helpful answer. I'm not sure why I didn't think of the deleted contributions, considering that over 2,000 of my own edits have disappeared into the deletion logs. —Anne Delong (talk) 07:09, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Facing Problem with file K D Singh an Indian Politician.png

Hi January, Received your message to provide copyright for media K D Singh an Indian Politician.png. Still confused as if person by himself got clicked by camera by me 'What as a copyright should I provide'. Or what kind a mail should I write to justify that. As i want to keep it under permission says 'share a like' creative common. Please help me. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous 2108 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

The note on your talk page has instructions. RudolfRed (talk) 05:59, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Is it a "Synthesis of published material that advances a position"?

I would like to have an advice, concerning my writing deletion: Why did you deleted the sentences referring to the Water Plan.

The deletion Diff page.

There is a claim, that my writing is forbidden because of Synthesis of published material that advances a position. However, as I understand it, my sentences complies with SYNTH is not mere juxtaposition.

These are my points:

1. - The Arabs opposed the Israeli NWC (National water carrier) since it would be used to irrigate the Negev and enable more Israeli farmers there.
2. - The Israeli NWC consumed water were within the Johnston plan allocation
3. - Israel and Jordan adhered to those quotas. The Arab League technical committee accepted it as well, but the League rejected it later, because of political reasons
4. - The increase in water-related Arab-Israeli hostility was a major factor leading to the June 1967 war.

Those points are supported but not necessarily by the same wp:rs.

Can I write those points together (as in The deletion Diff page or modify it) ? or is it offending the wp:synth ? Ykantor (talk) 05:48, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Points 1 through 3 are facts. There may be irrelevant/unnecessary/trivial (see WP:UNDUE), depending on what the Wikipedia article is about, but otherwise they are fine. Whether or not the same reliable source is used isn't that important (and, arguably, it's better, if only for readers interested in looking at sources directly, if there are different sources).

Point 4 is clearly conclusionary - "major factor leading to". If this is your personal conclusion, then that is a violation of WP:SYNTH. If there are authoritative sources (experts) who have concluded this, then those experts should be cited. If the point is disputed (for example, other experts don't think this was a major factor), then that too should be included.

Assuming that you can find sources/experts that argue about water issues helping cause the war, then, again, WP:UNDUE is relevant. If most experts don't think that water issues were a major cause of the war - either saying so directly, or listing other causes but omitting water issues - then giving this topic much space in the article is not acceptable. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd go so far as to say that parts of 1 and 3 could be considered conclusionary or synthesized, unless there are historians and/or other sources that prove the causation in those points. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 16:39, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

John Broughton and Charmlet thank you. My question might be unclear. The other editor does not oppose any of those 4 points (As I understand, which is rather difficult for me), since the points are well supported. He oppose mentioning of any relation between the Johnston water plan and between the war, since none of the RS mention such a relation.

• My view is:
  • The increase in water-related Arab-Israeli hostility was a major factor leading to the June 1967 war. (which he accepts)
• What is this water-related Arab-Israeli hostility?
  • The Arabs opposed the Israeli NWC (National water carrier) since it would be used to irrigate the Negev and enable more Israeli farmers there. (which he accepts)
• What the Arabs has done in order to thwart Israel's National Water Carrier project?
  • Arab states resolved to reduce the operation of Israel's National Water Carrier by diverting the headwaters of the Jordan. (which he accepts)
• What is wrong in the Arab diversion project?
  • Because it Deny's Israel water rights, according to the Johnston plan.

At this point, his attitude becomes rather complicated (for me). I would prefer that you would read his claims. The deletion Diff page

Anyway, he says:" As no source has placed the compliance of Israel's plan with the (failed) Johnston plan quotas in the context of the lead-up to the war, it has no place in that section."

my reply:

• The This compliance is an integral part of the water related hostility , and this hostility was a major factor leading to the June 1967 war.

• Here is a quote of an RS, accepted by this editor, that mentions all this points.

name="Murakami1995p287">Masahiro Murakami (1995). Managing Water for Peace in the Middle East; Alternative Strategies. United Nations University Press. pp. 287–297. ISBN 978-92-808-0858-2. Retrieved 15 July 2013. The book appears in: http://archive.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/80858e/80858E0m.htm . The initial diversion capacity of the National Water Carrier without supplementary booster pumps was 320 million m3, well within the limits of the Johnston Plan. ......Shortly before completion of the Israeli Water Carrier in 1964, an Arab summit conference decided to try to thwart it. Discarding direct military attack, the Arab states chose to divert the Jordan headwater......he Arab states chose to divert the Jordan headwaters.......diversion of both the Hasbani and the Banias to the Yarmouk.....According to neutral assessments, the scheme was only marginally feasible; it was technically difficult and expensive......Political considerations cited by the Arabs in rejecting the 1955 Johnston Plan were revived to justify the diversion scheme. Particular emphasis was placed on the Carrier's capability to enhance Israel's capacity to absorb immigrants to the detriment of Palestinian refugees. In response, Israel stressed that the National Water Carrier was within the limits of the Johnston Plan......he Arabs started work on the Headwater Diversion project in 1965. Israel declared that it would regard such diversion as an infringement of its sovereign rights. According to estimates, completion of the project would have deprived Israel of 35% of its contemplated withdrawal from the upper Jordan, constituting one-ninth of Israel's annual water budget.......In a series of military strikes, Israel hit the diversion works. The attacks culminated in April 1967 in air strikes deep inside Syria. The increase in water-related Arab-Israeli hostility was a major factor leading to the June 1967 war. {{cite book}}: External link in |quote= (help)</ref>

In my opinion, I would have insert this text into the article , and that's it. Ykantor (talk) 18:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Aimee Du Buc de Rivery

I have an MA in History, so I am great at adding references but, alas, I have zero qualifications in editing Wikipedia. Could you have a look at the history of the edit page about Aimee Du Buc de Rivery ? The article now shows her correct date of birth, backed by the correct evidence. However, I made about ten entries to make that edit. Can you help me clean my entries up? I am now terrified to touch them.--Galleeson (talk) 07:51, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
I added a title for you Rojomoke (talk) 09:18, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Galleeson. Your addition looks quite ok to me - it's what one would expect a book reference to look like. It would be helpful if you could provide the ISBN number of the book. If you don't want to add it to the reference you can simply post it here and I'll put it in where it should go. You might also want to take a look at the Referencing for beginners guide. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

You may also want to preview your edits before submitting them. This makes the page history a lot easier to read, since there will only be one change, no matter how many times you need to correct yourself before saving your edit. MChesterMC (talk) 10:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hello, I am trying to create a new userbox and I don't know what code to enter for the desired colors. Basically what I'm asking is: is there a place that lists all the six-digit codes? Jinkinson (talk) 15:10, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

• Help:Colors to get you started maybe? Technical 13 (talk) 15:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

See also Web colors and this large chart. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Audio pronunciation feature

I've lost the pronunciation feature when I look up a word. Can you help me reinstall whatever is missing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.84.205 (talk) 15:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not at all clear that this has something to do with Wikipedia directly - which is what this page is for. Instead, it sounds like something in your web browser may have changed. If so, you might ask for help at the computing section of our Reference desk. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:45, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

How can I publish my Biography?

I am a recording artist; my genre is Rap. How can I publish my biography on Wikipedia site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rah4life (talk • contribs) 15:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

You shouldn't try to publish your own autobiography; see WP:Autobiography and WP:COI. If you meet Wikipedia's definition of notability, someone else can write an article about you. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Template on Talk page about an AFD links to the wrong one

Please take a look at the template on Talk:2016 Summer Paralympics it refers to an AFD which resulted in a Keep, but the "discussion" link goes to the wrong AFD. The template refers to the second AFD but links to the first AFD. I'm not sufficiently skilled in templatese to fix it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:20, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed by this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Notre Dame men's lacrosse page

Read the history section and see the obviously vulgar passage. How do we get that removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.74.116.49 (talk) 19:44, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I found it and removed it. There was some missed vandalism. GB fan 19:51, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Currencies on Wikipedia

What is the policy for currencies on the English Wikipedia? I find it easier if US Dollars are used, as I know what its worth in many other currencies. But when a lot of articles have all kinds of currencies, its nearly impossible to quickly figure out what the numbers are, without using a converter or calculator to figure it out. Jørgen88 (talk) 20:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

See WP:CURRENCY. Scarce2 (talk) 20:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

i keep requesting my password and never get it , you are sending somewhere else....i have had a hacker on my email and computer

please be aware...i am not receiving my password reset...user is smocked.....password should go to and no where else pls adjust...i am not getting my password reset...when you send it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.171.170.150 (talk) 20:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

An email is associated with your account but are you absolutely certain you are looking at the correct e-mail address; that you didn't use an alternative email address from your most commonly used when you signed up on February 8, 2010, or that you haven't changed emails since then? Have you checked your spam and trash folders?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:58, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

And as the account Smocked has made no edits since it was created in Feb 2010, you might as well ignore it and create a new one with the correct email address associated with it. - David Biddulph (talk) 05:10, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the email address from your post here to protect your privacy - this page is regularly indexed by search engines. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

How to create a page on a topic or person on Wikipedia

Who creates the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abigail Blanco (talk • contribs) 22:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Hopefully, someone completely unrelated and uninvolved with the person that the article is about. Apart from that, anyone does! You do! Start with WP:YFA and WP:42 perhaps. When you've read those, move to WP:AFC. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:59, 10 September 2013 (UTC)