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November 13

Can you help me with the baseball player I put Ronald Acuna Jr. can you fix it for me please. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 00:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Next time, please indicate WHERE you put something. I see now what you mean--you mean Ronald Acuña Jr., and I think what you were trying here didn't work because you didn't spell and punctuate the name correctly. The matter was taken care of here, by MusiCitizen. Drmies (talk) 03:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Notable Polio Survivor and Artist

I'm not a user of Wikipedia at all really, and I've been asked several times why my father (deceased) doesn't have a Wikipedia page. My dad was one of the longest living full quadriplegic polio survivors in the United States and a disability rights champion, having received a presidential honor for helping to draft the original North Carolina American's with Disability Act, as well as assisting in the creation of the original nationwide Americans with Disability Act. He was also a watercolorist by profession and pretty famous across the southeastern US. His paintings were also selected as showcase works by The American Watercolor Society and those paintings were travelled nationally alongside works of Andrew Wyeth among others.

In any case, how does one suggest to Wikipedia that an article on my father is appropriate. I realize from reading just a bit on the rules, that my being his daughter would prevent me from posting a page on him.

I'm attaching a file that includes a short news article that was done when he passed away, a cell phone shots some of his paintings I own. (And I have MANY) There are almost a 1K of them floating around the U.S. and a great deal of them in public buildings here in Charlotte where he was well known for being the driving force to make all public buildings accessible to those in wheelchairs.

Anyways, somebody asked me where his page was and so I'm asking ya'll how that really happens.

Kindest regards,

Jennifer Love

PS: I was never able to upload the local news articles about him that I had aggregated to a word doc and I also tried .pdf, so I'm just uploading one of his watercolor paintings. I have ZERO clue what I'm doing on this site. Ugh.

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Hi, Jennifer. We are all volunteers, and writing an article is hard work. If your father is notable by our definition, then he deserves an article. Our definition is at WP:NOTABLE. As you see there, the definition depends on what we define as reliable sources (WP:RS) that also meet several additional requirements to support the claim of notability. Since you are new to this, I reccommend you start by creating a user account, and then put link to your sources there. Then, come back here and we can make a quick assessment of notability for you and suggest how you can proceed You should probably not proceed until we do this, or you may end up doing a lot of work for nothing. Basically, your choices will be to learn how to do build the article yourself (see WP:AFC), or provide enough information and then try to attract an interested volunteer for a requested article (WP:RA). Please don't get discouraged. Wikipedia development is a loosely structured anarchy. More than 100,000 different editors have edited in the last 30 days, and nobody assigns tasks to anybody: we just do whatever we want to. -Arch dude (talk) 01:28, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Factual error

Lewis Rutherfurd, born 1944 married Katharine duPont Sanger in 89, not 88 I was there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:188:180:12D6:D9DF:1DE6:9B75:EA60 (talk) 03:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The article Lewis Polk Rutherfurd mentions the year 1989 only (and not 1988), based on a New York Times reference. Thanks, Lourdes 05:56, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Question about image

Hi all--I'm wondering if someone can help me. Here is a link to an article from 1905 via JSTOR. How would I go about taking one of the images out of that article to use in a Wikipedia article? I need both practical help with taking something out of a PDF (I did it years ago but I forgot), and how to license it--since I think we can use it, right? Asking for a friend. Drmies (talk) 03:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: An image published in the US prior to 1923 can be licensed under {{PD-1923}} both here and on Commons. As for extracting the image, if you have adobe reader and can download the PDF you should be able to right click on the image and save it. Or most computer have a clipping program that you can use to screenshot part of your computer screen (on Windows it is called Snipping Tool). --Majora (talk) 03:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Balarama Holness

Hello,

Can you please change the title to Balarama Holness (my birth and legal name)

Wikipedia has Balarama Holness as Steven Holness at title which is not accurate. When I google my name, Balarama Holness, Steven Holness pops up as the main name.

• y legal name, on my birth certificate and what I use is Balarama Holness. (The content in the wiki is fine, I was once called Steven because my coach could not pronounce my name). Its more demeaning and reflects a colonial imprint on me. Please focus on Balarama Holness and have that as title when I am googled.

Also I ran for Mayor of Montreal Nord, yes I would have been on city council but it is best to indicate that I ran for mayor of Montreal-Nord

I also launched a petition to force the city of Montreal to hold a public consultation on systemic racism. Please see google to confirm the latter. This is a major event in the history of montreal.

Now that I am a public figure, I would be great to have an accurate wikipedia page. -- Represented by my legal name and birth name Balarama Holness at the top, as the title so it does not cause confusion about who I am.

Also I want to be accurately portrayed.

If wikipedia does not want to Change my page to reflect Balarama Holness as the title, please take down my page.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.49.118 (talk) 03:45, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Changed: sources in article confirm legal name. Drmies (talk) 05:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

source for Haley Gibby

Hello I have visual impairment and cannot enter the captchas when I go to insert a source for Gibby's birth place of Manchester, UK. I would like to site my source so that I don't constantly get reverted due to no sources, and I am not willing to get blocked for edit warring. article: Haley Gibby Issue: Wikipedia's captcha does not have an audio option. Attempted action: citation of a source stating Gibby's birth place and real name. thanks. 23.151.192.180 (talk) 06:25, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm sorry you're having difficulty. If you go to Special:Captcha, it says "Unfortunately, this may inconvenience users with limited vision or using text-based or speech-based browsers. At the moment we do not have an audio alternative available". It also suggests contacting the Help Desk for if you're trying to add information, and I see you've done that. I see you've also posted at the article's talk page, and that is usually the best place to make a suggestion.

Unfortunately discogs.com is not regarded as a reliable source (see WP:NOTRSMUSIC) so you should not cite it as a reference anyway. Unless you can find a reliable source, the information should not be included. I would say that for something like a birthplace, a non-independent source would be acceptable (such as the artist's own website, if they had one); but it still must be reliable, not user-generated. I don't find anything suitable on a quick look, but you might ask at WikiProject Musicians. --ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

thanks. It just angers me that Wikipedia still uses the old captchas, and that it hasn't upgraded to either an "i'm not a robot" checkbox or else one of the recaptchas that has the audio captcha option. It's basically 2010's captchas all over again, and as somebody who wishes to contribute to Wikipedia, this is a discouraging factor. Help with captchas is not always reliable given that I don't stay in one location of the world for more than three or four months due to my job, and I don't like getting my helper Harriet involved because though she's almost 10 years younger than myself, she's scared of me editing Wikipedia, even though I avoid articles related to my group's work. thanks. 23.151.192.180 (talk) 18:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

If you create an account then you can avoid captchas when the account is four days old and has made ten edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox help

Hi! In Arnold's Bar and Grill the restaurant name is within the infobox, while in Cincinnati chili it's outside, which gives the appearance of less of an even border (more on sides than top) around the photo within the infobox. I can't see any difference in the source. Can someone help me figure out what I did wrong? Thanks! valereee (talk) 11:11, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The former uses "Infobox restaurant", while the latter uses "Infobox prepared food". That accounts for the difference. Why those two templates handle the name differently, I can't explain. Maproom (talk) 11:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! valereee (talk) 12:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Google Books url breaks efn??

Can someone pls take a look at this?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Humanengr (talk • contribs) 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: I see you fixed the problem - what caused it? (Asking for my own education, because I couldn't see what it was...) --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: I believe that the problem was the fact that the URL contained equal signs, and the MediaWiki software interpreted those as template coding, thus messing up the template; this problem occurs a lot for me. To fix this, you can change {{efn|[Text with =]}} to {{efn|1=[Text with =]}}, as Trappist the monk did.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 14:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

that^. everything after the pipe ('|') character that precedes the first equal sign is treated as a parameter name: |https://books.google.com/books?id=. {{efn}} does not support a parameter with that name so emits nothing.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:11, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, SkyGazer 512 and Trappist the monk - I learned something! --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Peer review link broken after article renamed

Talk:Shooting of Yoshihiro Hattori has a box saying "Shooting of Yoshihiro Hattori received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which is now archived." Unfortunately the box link to the peer review page is now broken because the article has recently been renamed from "Death of..." to "Shooting of...". I'm not sure how to fix this. --Muzilon (talk) 13:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Muzilon; I've fixed the problem now. This is a problem that occurs quite often; to fix it, add "|[old page title]" before the double brackets within the peer review template; if you're familiar with templates, you would know that this would be the first parameter. Specifically, you'd replace {{Old peer review|archive=1}} with {{Old peer review|archive=1|[Title of the page when the peer review was created]}}. What this does is changes the peer review link to Wikipedia:Peer review/[INPUTTHATYOUPUTIN]/archive1 instead of the default, which is Wikipedia review/[PAGENAME]/archive1. Cheers and let me know if you have any questions.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 13:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

I attended the Inquiry and was one of the town planners who gave evidence at the inquiry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moultontsr (talk • contribs) 13:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Moultontsr. It would have helped if you had told us which article you are referring to, but I see it is Castle Bromwich Hall Gardens. Viewmont Viking has fixed the immediate problem (empty reference tags). However, the material you have introduced is unreferenced - personal knowledge is not acceptable as a source of information in Wikipedia, because there is no way for a reader to verify it.

Having said that, the whole article is almost unreferenced (there is a single citation, for one piece of information only), so I'm not about to revert your edit. I have tagged the article accordingly. If you were able to add any citations to reliably published sources for the information in the article, that would improve it hugely. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

HELP RELATED TO EDITING

I recently had edited an article regarding to lead nitrate. I was successful in editing it but forgot to leave a valid reason for the same as that option was not seen by me. I therefore wish to provide the reason if you assist me with the link. Any of my actions were not purposeful and was only a mistake. Waiting for your assistance. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.125.221.59 (talk) 15:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

It looks like you were able to successfully repeate your edit and leave an edit summary. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:32, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:IKMF International Krav Maga Federation

Hey there, that this draft that Alex4ff wanted to reffer about IKMF Organization have much issues: that is a lot of the article reads like an advertisement, there are multiple unsourced statements, and many of the references are simply about Krav Maga rather than the federation as a whole. - as per SkyGazer 512 statement. This AfC has been resubmitted and awaiting review. Please re-consider this review of AfC draft resubmission. 83.246.232.21 (talk) 15:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Editing toolbar missing

Above the editing window I used to have a helper toolbar for commonly used functions - bold, italic suppress wiki language, etc. It's now gone. Not sure when it went missing, but I've not made any changes to my preferences or any other settings. Any ideas? I've checked my preferences, but I'm hampered by the fact that I don't know what the toolbar may have been called. All the obvious ones are still ticked - Twinkle, charInsert and reftoolbar, but I don't think that's it. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The old toolbar has been removed. "Enable the editing toolbar" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing makes another toolbar which has been default for years. This code in your common JavaScript creates a toolbar more like the old one:

mw.loader.load("/w/index.php?title=User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/legacyToolbar.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
mw.loader.load("/w/index.php?title=User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/legacyRefToolbar.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");

Without the second command it omits the cite button and may load faster. See more at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Top stuff - I've enabled both and will see which I get used to. Thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

CITING CONFUSION

Can you please explain the difference between references and sources on your wikipedia article on Aphra Behn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphra_Behn. Are sources and references the same thing? I can't find an answer please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.8.143 (talk) 21:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

In this type of situation, the sources would be used for books which are mentioned in multiple references in a short form. I'm not quite sure that the one book in source is used in that way, but that type of Biography would be OK there as well, I think.Naraht (talk) 22:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia has been created over the last 18 years by more than ten million volunteers. We are not always consistent, and the way we use "sources" versus "references" has evolved and is subject to individual interpretation. In general, references are sources that have been cited in specific locations in the article, while a "source" may have been used either for the article as a whole, or as background by an editor who made edits throughout the article or wrote the bulk of the article in the first place. In your example case the "source" is also separately listed as a "reference" in three specific places in the article. In theory, we are supposed to actually cite the reference explicitly for every single statement of fact in the article, but this is both tedious and time-consuming to add, and highly distracting to the reader, so in practice non-controversial facts are often not explicitly cited to a source, and the reader is left to find them in the sources or in nearby references. In the early days, we also used "further reading" sections whose entries were added when an editor created a brief "stub" article but did not have time to really create references or add material from that source. We aren't supposed to do that any more, but you still find them lying around. -Arch dude (talk) 01:01, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

A request for Slovene project

Hi. I would have a little programming request regarding Template:Infobox Person on sl.wikiquote. It's about making links to sl.wikipedia articles. Grateful for help, --Janezdrilc (talk) 22:32, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Janezdrilc: [[w:Title|Text]] will link to the Wikipedia article "Title" in the same language, and display "Text" on the link. If you want something else then please be more specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

This linking should be done in modules. I tried to do it with dates in Modul:Dates (imported from Russian project), but there is still something missing (see for example q:sl:Alojz Rebula). --Janezdrilc (talk) 23:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Janezdrilc: I guess you want to hide "w:" in the dates. Fixed with [1]. Note the edit summary "if %d or %s are repeated in the string format then their values must also be repeated in the corresponding position in the parameter list". You didn't do that in several cases in [2] so if those parts of the code are run then it will produce errors. Piping links by adding code to a lot of places in a module looks hard, and prevents importing a new version of the module. Instead you could make a template to modify a parameter by changing any wikilink to a piped Wikipedia link. For example, {{Wikipedia links|[[foo]] and [[bar]]}} could produce [[w:foo|foo]] and [[w:bar|bar]]. Then you can call the template on module or template output when you want Wikipedia links. You could import Module:String and use Module:String#replace. If the template input only has unpiped internal wikilinks then it just needs to say something like {{#invoke:String|replace|source={{{1|}}}|pattern=%[%[(.-)%]%]|replace=[[w:%1|%1]]|plain=false}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you fixed it! Can you check please q:sl:Evzebij Cezarejski - reporting some Lua error. Besides, countries and data of other parameters would also need "w: linking". Can you check this too, please? --Janezdrilc (talk) 23:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

The Lua error was caused by one of the errors in [3] I told you about. Fixed by [4]. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)