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February 24

Unwelcome censorship of reasonable content

The page dedicated to the lab leak hypothesis of the covid-19 virus has been taken down. Why is Wikipedia censoring a hypothesis that has never been formally disproven? I am a Wikipedia donor and I will not continue supporting a site that does not provide unfettered access to heterodox points of view.

JKreisler (talk) 00:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors never allow threats to withold financial support influence decisions about content. Feel free to stop donating, and you can still read the encyclopedia if you want, or refrain if you don't. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@JKreisler: You are welcome to join the discussion at Talk:COVID-19_misinformation regarding the lab leak portion of the article. Donations do not determine content. Whether you donate or not will not influence the content of the encyclopedia. RudolfRed (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Please see Investigations into the origin of COVID-19 where the hypothesis is discussed briefly and COVID-19 misinformation where it is discussed at great length. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Not being formally disproven is not good enough. You are very much mistaken if you think we're here to provide "unfettered access". There are ever so many fetters (policies, guidelines, etc.) in place: picture Jacob Marley. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:00, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

The hypothesis that the Moon is made of green cheese hasn't been "formally disproven" either. That's not how these things work. Chuntuk (talk) 14:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

How are new visits to a Wikipedia determined?

I recently visited the Arabic Wikipedia for the first time but did not make any edits. A very short time later, I received a welcome message on my talk page there. How was the welcoming user able to see that I visited that Wikipedia? Is there a feed of new visits similar to Recent Changes but that shows up with no edits needed? Is any other non-edit activity available for users to see -- for example can anyone see what pages I read on Wikipedia? RudolfRed (talk) 01:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

When you visit a wiki for the first time, your account gets automatically created on that wiki, which is a publicly visible action. (Which page you visit isn't public, only that you visited some page on the wiki). There is no publicly visible feed of subsequent visits of pages one your account has been created. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 04:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

To add to that, local acocunts created automatically in this way show up on a sublog in the account creation log. You can thoretically poll this log using the API, and welcome every user that wasn't there on the last poll. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Google preview still showing deleted information from Wikipedia

Hi I removed the birth date from this entry over a year ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showko_Showfukutei

but when the preview for this person shows up on Google it still has the birth date. Is there anything else that needs to be edited?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keiayaja (talk • contribs) 02:59, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Keiayaja: Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not control what appears in Google's Knowledge panel. At the bottom right corner of the panel is a link marked "Feedback", which you can use to explain to Google why you would like the birth date to be removed. Good luck! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 03:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

It's also very possible that the Knowledge Panel is pulling the information from a different website. Wikipedia is far from the only website the Knowledge Panel draws from. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 04:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Keiayaja: Why did you remove the birth date? If it came from a reliable source, then in general it should be retained. -Arch dude (talk) 05:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Why my edit request neglected here?

@PrimeHunter: @RudolfRed: @Lambiam: It's been 10 days, since I request edit to be made to Rashtriya Ispat Nigam ,but no one cares. Am I doing anything wrong to request edit? Rizosome (talk) 03:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: Page has fewer than 30 watchers, so likely no one has seen your request or has decided not to act on it. Is there a reason (such as COI) that you cannot make the edit yourself? The page does not seem to be protected. RudolfRed (talk) 04:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: if you have to make an edit request there is guidance at Wikipedia:Edit requests. You can use a template to add your request to the long queue for editor attention and you should specify exactly what change you are requesting. TSventon (talk) 18:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: If, after placing the edit request template on the talk page, it is still not responded to after a few days, you can also add a brief message to any of the WikiProject talk pages listed on the article's talk page, with a link to your edit request. In this case, WT:WikiProject Andhra Pradesh seems to be similarly inactive, so you would do better to post at WT:WikiProject India something like

• Please see my edit request at [[Talk:Rashtriya Ispat Nigam#Cabinet clears privatisation of Visakhapatnam Steel Plant]]. ~~~~

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:24, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Is there a recommended word limit on edits?

I'm asking because I spent some time developing the page for Patanjali Ayurved. I have access to some news databases, so I was able to secure reliable and sourced information. Those edits have been rolled back by a more experienced editor who has not objected to anything specific I added, nor to the sources, but to the length of the edit. Their rollback mentions "same here - the massive edits makes this extremely difficult to review - too much seems highly questionable". I would like to know if a) there is a recommended length for edits, and b) if you can rollback an edit because it 'seems questionable' without engaging with the substance of the edit or the sources used. --Naushervan (talk) 03:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Naushervan: There is no hard limit, but larger edits are harder to review and if there is anything wrong, the entire thing must be undone. It is better instead to make a series of small changes. If there is something wrong with one of them then only that one would need to be reverted. Additionally, if you are planning a large change, it may be better to discuss on the talk page first. See WP:CAUTIOUS RudolfRed (talk) 04:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate the response, but this doesn't clarify anything for me - I still don't know what kind of edit might be considered "too large" to review, and I also don't know how an edit can be reverted on the grounds that it "seems suspicious", particularly when even a cursory check shows the adequacy of sources. I spent a fair amount of time digging through databases, cross-checking sources, and including multiple references for more complex points in my edit - I don't think it's worth my while, or indeed anyone else's, to put that kind of effort in if it just going to be reverted based on someone's feelings. --Naushervan (talk) 05:13, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

You won't get a hard answer because there isn't a hard rule. An edit like this can add 100,000 kb to an article and not be controversial; an edit of just a few words can be "too large" if the few words are scattered through the article and make it difficult to review changes. (By "difficult to review" we mean, if your edit changes 10 facts and one of the changes is wrong, it makes it impossible to just click "undo" without also removing the nine good changes, so it makes it a nuisance.) It's not possible to codify as each situation is different, but as a very rough rule of thumb, if your addition is so substantive that it's effectively replacing the existing article with a completely new article which happens to incorporate text from the previous version, then it's preferable to do it as a single large edit; if the addition is a lot of things scattered through an existing article which doesn't substantively change the layout, order or format of the page, it's better to do it as a series of smaller edits. ‑ Iridescent 05:54, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

As a rule of thumb, confine each edit to a single section of an article. When restructuring an article, it may be preferable to start with a pure restructuring, without substantive changes to or additions of factual information. For me, the overview of Special:Diff/1008430565 takes up 50 screen pages; since many of the affected passages are not side by side but separated by umpteen Page Ups and Page Downs, it is almost impossible to get an overview of what is going on. That said, it is not very elegant to use as argument that some of the changes are "extremely questionable" without further engagement while everything is properly sourced.  --Lambiam 08:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Naushervan:, one of Wikipedia's methods of reaching consensus is the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You have already posted on the article talk page and I have asked @Hipal: to explain his objections there. TSventon (talk) 11:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

My rule of thumb is similar to the feedback you are are already getting: Keep edits to a single section, and don't make edits so large that you can't give a clear edit summary on what you're doing. If there's any contentious information, work around it or focus on it, but avoid combinations of the two. --Hipal (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

At the risk of "putting words in the mouth" of Iridescent, I believe they meant 100 KB may not be controversial; 100,000 KB would almost certainly be. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

New Laptop received from the company with VPN

Hello All Wikipedians, hope you all are keeping extra care during this hard COVID situation,
I have a situation, I am using my personal laptop for Wikipedia contributions & it was under Bring Your Own Devices (BYOD) policy for little extra savings from the company. Now, I have opted out of the BYOD policy because I need that laptop for my kid's studies. The Company has provided me with a good laptop and it does have VPN software as well. I was using my Wiki account through my personal laptop & home internet connection. I am contributing to Wikipedia whenever I get time with a home internet connection. Now, with the company laptop usage can be from a direct home internet connection or through VPN.

Question: Changing a laptop that has VPN software installed will affect my account or Wikipedia terms of contribution?

FYI, I can ask for a fixed laptop with a separate dongle internet connection to maintain the Internet Protocol (IP) logs

VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 06:13, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@VKG1985: No, using a VPN does not change the actual terms you contribute under, however, I have to tell you, that VPN IP adresses are frequently blocked as open proxies, so you might not be able to edit using the VPN. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:20, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Victor Schmidt, Changing laptop & internet connection without VPN will not affect right?

As long as you can log on into your account, your rights as a user will not be affected. It may be the case that the IP address is blocked for editing, as per Wikipedia: Blocking policy § Open or anonymous proxies. The easiest is just to try and see what happens. You can also enter the IP addresses assigned to you in a Special/Contributions search, as for example in Special:Contributions/135.181.123.123. This will tell you if the IP address is currently blocked for certain functions.  --Lambiam 09:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Got it, Thanks Lambiam -- VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 11:22, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@VKG1985: you might want to look at Wikipedia:IP block exemption, if you're unable to edit from the IP, you can ask for the flag (though your edits may be put under a bit more scrutiny, as long as you're here to be constructive it won't be an issue). Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 02:00, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Orphan

Hi I dont understand this yet, need help on this as I already added links Jonah Manzano — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westsidelight (talk • contribs) 10:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Westsidelight: An article is defined as anORPHAN when there are no other articles linking to it. It doesn't matter how many links go off from that page to other pages; it's all about whether that page has any incoming links to it from other mainspace articles. If it doesn't - it's an orphan. Here's what I see that shows me it's still an orphan. Unfortunately, it is also likely to be deleted as it does not demonstrate any Notability - a key criterion for acceptance here. It also includes a copyright image (presumably of yourself as the artist?) which doesn't appear to have been correctly licenced, and may also be deleted. To get around that, you would have needed to have put a Creative Commons licencing statement on your own website. I guess this is an article about yourself and, as such, we discourage people trying to promote themselves here. If your music career does take off, just think of this as WP:TOOSOON. Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Page Deletion

Good Afternoon Wikipedia Team,

I would like to share that, My creating page : Atanu Raychaudhuri has been deleted by (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion), I would like to tell you this page has been a Bengali Movie Presenter and Famous Advocate in Kolkata High Court, West Bengal, India. So I explain his Education & Work Background. Also added his Film career, he has been produced more than 10 film on last half decades. He created his own solicitor firm & also film production House, I found his name on News Paper & afterteat I researched him on Google and other social media, And I didn't find him On Wikipedia, So I though I will be created his wikipedia, and this page is not promoted him or anything else. But somehow my content has been deleted in unknown reason, I want to resolve my issues and get back to my content. How it's possible, Please reply back to my request. I will waiting for reply. Souvik4296 (talk) 10:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Souvik4296 You wrote on your user page, which is not article space or space to draft an article, but a place to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia user. Regarding the text itself, it was filled with much promotional language("is a very famous Indian film presenter", "Raychaudhury had a sincere interest in education, a keen mind, a love for orderliness, discipline and a sharp eye for detail"; "Raychaudhuri yet again proved to the world what deep-rooted passion, self-belief, corporate capabilities and keen business foresight can achieve", and others). It read as more of an essay than an encyclopedia article. An encyclopedia article must have a neutral point of view and as such usually sounds pretty dry. The few sources you had seem to be press release-type stories or other form of routine announcement, which does not establish that this person meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable creative professional. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about a person, showing how they are notable.

Please understand that successfully writing a new Wikipedia article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia; it's really best to get some experience with Wikipedia by first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. If you really want to dive right in to creating articles, please first use the new user tutorial, read Your First Article, and use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Why did i receive a message about Ukraine

i do not live in Ukraine I live in the US and i am not using a VPN and I know nothing about Ukraine and never edited a Ukraine article

The message says Join us writing articles during Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month and goes to the website of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%27s_Cultural_Diplomacy_Month

🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 11:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

1.Ayana Everyone got that message, it has nothing to do with your edits. 331dot (talk) 11:04, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

1.Ayana, it's a general banner advertising an effort, much like the "take a picture of your culture" one a while back. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:03, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Communication?

Dear Wikipedia,

When you "embark" on the talk side of an article and you enter a new section and you seem not to be with the writer "on speaking terms" there is no option to remove your conversation.

??? 145.129.136.48 (talk) 11:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

If there is a specific situation you are referencing, please describe it. Note that most articles do not have a single writer, but are a collaborative effort. 331dot (talk) 11:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

You seem to be describing an aspect of talk page guidelines, which in general do not allow for the removal of other people's comments (or your own if someone has replied to them) in order to preserve context. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

how i delete fake acccount

Some one created an account/page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishabh_Sinha i want to delete this account what is th eprocess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andietur Software (talk • contribs) 13:13, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Rishabh Sinha is not an "account". It's a rather poor article, but I see no reason to regard it as "fake". Why do you think it's fake, and why do you want it deleted? Maproom (talk) 13:27, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Andietur Software Wikipedia is not social media where people have pages about themselves on which they tell the world about themselves. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with articles written by independent editors, not the subjects of the articles. Editors may write about people and other subjects without their knowledge, as articles summarize what independent reliable sources state. If there is information in the article that is incorrect, we want to know about it, and you may tell us on the article talk page, Talk:Rishabh Sinha. 331dot (talk) 13:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Maproom I think that the OP might think that the article is "fake" because they see Wikipedia as social media, so since Mr. Sinha did not write the article, it is a "fake account". 331dot (talk) 13:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

MARKOOT

Please correct map of Markoot in Google maps — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kausarakhoons (talk • contribs) 14:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kausarakhoons: Sorry, we cannot help you with Google Maps. Please use the feedback link in the bottom right corner. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Create a page

I noticed there was not a page for TV celebrity and Guinness Book of Record tattoo artist Oliver Peck. His name is mentioned in the show, Ink Master, where he was a judge for 13 seasons. How would one create a page? Or why is there no page created already? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.83.51.82 (talk) 15:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

You could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article. If there are not a lot of independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Peck, that could explain why there isn't already an article. GoingBatty (talk) 16:03, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

How to start a new page ?

Hello, the question is simply how do start off creating a new page for an organization or even a personal page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3020:2937:9000:69DE:3D00:7AF0:1636 (talk) 16:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

You're going to want to carefully read Your first article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:20, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

If you'd like to create a non-promotional user page, you can do that by registering an account, going to Special:MyPage, and editing it. However, promotional content will be deleted. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 01:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Messed up a table

Trying to update Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport, can't figure out what I did to the table of airlines. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed - there was a missing | between the 'Destinations' cell and the 'References' cell. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 16:48, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, you helped me achieve Serenity, Firefly. Have you ever been to Wau-Wau-Too-Sa, a town whose name means "firefly"? --Orange Mike | Talk 16:55, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Wahey, finally someone gets where my name is from! I have not, unfortunately, but I feel like I should one day... ƒirefly ( t · c ) 16:59, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

The Disappearance of Malaysia Airline Flight MH370

Dear Wikipedia

Disappointing that you never make any reference to F.G. Davies’ expert legal analysis of the “mystery” of the plane’s disappearance. The analysis looked at all of the available evidence and drew inferences therefrom. It was published in two parts in the Criminal Law & Justice Weekly in early 2018 (Lexis-Nexis). It is far superior to some of the comparable articles or books to which you allude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:C606:C401:1CD2:631D:6835:3E69 (talk) 16:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

You can post your suggestions for the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 article at its talk page: Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, and include a specific reference to Davies' analysis. Thanks! 17:04, 24 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talk • contribs)

Template suggestion

I have an idea for a template but I don't know how to create templates. Is there a place to ask someone who can make templates to create a template? Toad62 16:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Toad62: What's your idea? ƒirefly ( t · c ) 16:59, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Toad62: You can share your idea at Wikipedia:Requested templates. GoingBatty (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you! Toad62 17:10, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

HappyHalo

Hello Wiki, I’m HappyHalo call me Halo for short. I love writing stories.~ Your Sincerely HappyHalo — Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyHalo (talk • contribs) 17:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello HappyHalo. Welcome to Wikipedia! I will leave 331dot has left a template on your talk page with some useful links to help you get started. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:53, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Unicorn, do you know how to publish a Wikipedia article? ~ HappyHalo — Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyHalo (talk • contribs) 18:04, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy ping to @ONUnicorn:

@HappyHalo: There is a great set of instructions at Help:Your first article. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Enjoy! GoingBatty (talk) 18:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

IS MY CREATED PAGE IS PUBLISH GLOBALLY OR NOT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Harshal_S_Wagh#Personal_Details_%3A-

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME THAT HARSHAL S WAGH PAGE WHICH I JUST CREATE IS PUBLISH GLOBALLY OR NOT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hswagh9 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

No, it will not. You do not satisfy WP:BIO.

To anyone with more experience with drafts: Can this be speedy deleted per G11? Clarityfiend (talk) 18:48, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Possibly not technically, but if ever there was an occasion to invoke Ignore all rules this is it, since it will just waste everybody's time (including the OP) for us to host a page that's absolutely certain to be deleted. User:Hswagh9, I think you may have mistaken the purpose of Wikipedia; we're not a social network or a LinkedIn rival, and we only aggregate content that has already been published in independent, reliable sources. ‑ Iridescent 18:53, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

WP:Drafts#Speedy deletion states "The general section of the criteria for speedy deletion may be applied to drafts." Clarityfiend (talk) 18:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but it wasn't unambiguously promotional, which is theoretically required for deletion under G11. As I say, I've deleted it regardless as it clearly breaches the spirit of "using Wikipedia for advertising or promotion" even if it wasn't technically unambiguous (by a strict reading of policy we're supposed to assume good faith and assume that every person posting their own biography is technically writing a neutral biography of a notable figure and just hasn't yet explained why this person is notable). ‑ Iridescent 19:13, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hswagh9, please refrain from shouting. Your draft is still in draftspace, so it isn't seen by search engines. Wikipedia is also not the place to promote yourself; you may want to try sites like LinkedIn for that. Clarityfiend, I'ma go ahead and do that looks like Iridescent went and deleted it already. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:50, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Introduction

How does one go about putting a Photo, and introduction pertaining about a very accomplished Artist on Wikipedia how doe that go can you walk me through. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David The Blue Chip Art Star (talk • contribs) 19:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

David The Blue Chip Art Star, you should probably read Help:Your first article, and assuming (by your username) that the "very accomplished Artist" is you, you should also read Wikipedia:Autobiography and some of the links referenced therein, such as Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Updating Personal Life

Hello and thank you for reading! I am trying to update the marital status of my client. When I go to edit, and save, it goes back to the original statement. Do you have any recommendations on updating? Thank you, Jen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:300C:CF9:8000:3909:4D2A:B3B0:E20C (talk) 21:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Please post your suggested edit on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Building on RudolfRed's suggestion, you can use the {{request edit}} template when posting on the article's talk page to get the attention of another editor, and provide a published reliable source. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:25, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

You should be able to publish an edit by simply clicking the "Publish changes" button, unless it is protected. Then you can make a request on the article's talk page. However, if you are indeed being paid by a client to edit the article regarding them, you must disclose your conflict of interest before making the edits. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 21:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

What is the article, the wanted change, and do you have a published source? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Uploading New Information

Our firm has created two social apps and wondering how to best, upload, and post our backgrounds for search results? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WiseCarl221 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@WiseCarl221: You shouldn't. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a venue for promotion. If/when the apps become notable, then perhaps someone not connected to the company will write an article about it. RudolfRed (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@WiseCarl221: you can suggest that the article be created, but it very likely would not be unless there are reliable secondary sources. In addition, I'd implore you to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, which certainly applies here. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)