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June 30

Mike Feuer's Wikipedia Page

Dear Help Desk,

    I hope you are doing well.

I am getting the message "Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)." on Mike Feuer's Wikipedia Page. Could you please help me. I am just trying to add ==2022 Los Angeles mayoral election== On March 9, 2020, Feuer announced his candidacy for Mayor of Los Angeles. On May 12, 2021, Mike Feuer for LA Mayor put out a video entitled ["Best Friend"] featuring Jason Alexander as Feuer's mustache. And, then I want to connect this source: Stuart, Gwynedd (March 10, 2020). "City Attorney Mike Feuer Is Running for Mayor of Los Angeles". after "Feuer announced his candidacy for Mayor of Los Angeles." Thank you. Best, --Politics Law (talk) 00:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Mike_Feuer RudolfRed (talk) 00:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

fixed. In this edit [1] you added empty ref tag pair, which is what the error is about. RudolfRed (talk) 00:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Citation

Dear Help Team,

   I hope you are doing well.

Can you please point out what is wrong with the following citation: Thank you. Best --Politics Law (talk) 01:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

References

I have combined these two threads as (AFAICT) they are both about this article Mike Feuer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). If I'm wrong my apologies. MarnetteD|Talk 01:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

References

@Politics Law: if you click the "help" link it will tell you that mikeforla.com is not a valid url. You must include the leading part such as http:// or https://. Are you affiliated with this person in any way? RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I combine the infoboxes of this article?

How do I combine the infoboxes of this article? Thank you! Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 01:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: They are info boxes of different type. I don't think they can be combined. Can you further explain what you are trying to do and why? RudolfRed (talk) 01:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

RudolfRed, I'm trying to include the information about the Period/culture and location of discovery in the infobox. I'm also trying to include medium and subject in the infobox. Neither artifact nor Artwork infoboxes seem to cover all of these fields by themselves. I'm trying to consolidate all of the info that is in both boxes into one infobox, because I hope to convey all of this information at a glance to the reader. Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: You would probably need to ask someone to expand {{Infobox artifact}} so that it can be embeded with a module parameter in {{infobox artwork}} properly. For more info please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/embed. --CiaPan (talk) 17:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

CiaPan, Thank you for your help. I'm going to leave a message on the template talk page. Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Image not displaying in the article "Plough"

Hello,

Does anyone know why an image in the first gallery at the bottom of the article Plough isn't displaying? Or is it just me? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, DesertPipeline (talk) 03:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

It's you. I see the banknote just fine. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't call that last photo "art" though. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, the image from "Project Gutenberg's Young Folks' History of Rome, by Charlotte Mary Yonge" isn't displaying in the article for me, although clicking through to the actual file shows it. This is an amusing coincidence, since I live in the town that Charlotte Mary Yonge named! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.73.1 (talk) 06:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, good question, It won't appear for me neither, nor does it appear anywhere else it's used. I'll try asking at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). -- œ^™ 08:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Image_not_displaying_in_the_article_"Plough". -- œ^™ 08:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

St Leonards School

Ref number 2 is a PDF - please fix up - I have tried and failed. thanks in advance. 49.3.204.158 (talk) 05:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@49.3.204.158: ref number 2 is a File URL, pointing to a ressource on your own computer. File URL's don't work for anyone but you. Fortunally I was able to trace back the original source from the data in the citation. I have now replaced it with a web citation with an appropiate URL. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Magazine dating policy

Prompted by a contradiction in Out of This World Adventures, I have a query about the dating of magazines that I could not find an answer to in Wikipedia:WikiProject Magazines/Writing guide.

In the article on the short-lived (2 issues) magazine above, the text refers (in more than one place) to the issues being dated July and December 1950, and the included image of Issue #2's cover shows the date "Dec 1950". (The ISFDb has an image of #1's cover showing "VOL. 1, NO. 1 JULY—25¢.) However, in our article the caption on an image of an interior page of Issue #1 includes ". . . #1, June 1950, . . ." (i.e. not July).

Now, as a collector I am aware that, for at least a century, monthly magazines have usually gone on sale in the month preceding their cover date (if not even earlier), and when titles were more numerous vendors would often treat the printed date of an issue as the prompt to remove it from sale to make room for other publications. Despite this, collectors and commenters in this field (in my not inconsiderable experience) usually take the printed date as that of official publication. (The more recent trend of publishing 13 issues per year has of course exacerbated the, er, issue.) Obviously though, there is scope for confusion.

(As an aside, this question arose out of my cataloguing a copy of Lester del Rey's collection The Early del Rey: Volume 2 (Ballantine 1976) containing the story 'And the Darkness', whose verso attribution is to ". . . Out of This World Adventures, July 1950." Being unfamiliar with this obscure magazine, I naturally turned to Wikipedia for information about it.)

So, my questions are:

(1) Do we have a stated policy anywhere on the use of publication versus actual appearance dates for magazines?

(2) If not, should one be added to The Wikiproject Writing Guide linked above (and/or elsewhere)?

(3) Should I go ahead and change the caption in this particular article to read "July 1950"?

(Discussion here please, as I have a dynamic IP (and am a no-account editor), but read the Helpdesk on a daily basis.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.73.1 (talk) 07:46, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: pinging original article creator and maintainer.. see above. -- œ^™ 08:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I think the intent of the date (certainly the date field in a citation) is to identify the publication. This date should be then one listed on the cover. If the actual publication date is relevant (e.g., in the body of the text) then I think the text must make describe the discrepancy. For instance, "A story in the November edition, which was distributed in October, caused an uproar before Halloween". -Arch dude (talk) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The picture of Crom was added a couple of years ago by another user, who put the date as June; I think it was just a mistake and have corrected it to July. I've written quite a few magazine articles on Wikipedia and yes, the cover date is always what's used, though in some cases no date is on the cover and then we have to go by sources such as Mike Ashley's histories or Phil Stephensen-Payne's checklists. Anyway, it's fixed now -- thanks for pointing out the error. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Help needed with tables.

Hey all, can someone please help me with National team appearances in the UEFA European Championship#Hosts. I want to move the second table a bit up so they line up. Also want to move the notes under the first table. How do I do this? Thanks in advance. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 10:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Aquatic Ambiance:, I'm sort of toying with working on this--but a question! The first table refers to "Serbia," and adds the note "as Yugoslavia"--which of course it was, in 1976. But then the second, related table just calls it Yugoslavia. Is there a reason it's not just Yugoslavia--no note needed--in both tables? Uporządnicki (talk) 15:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Uporządnicki:, I've already fixed the tables so that's good now. It's Serbia in the first table probably because that's the current country and if it ever hosts again it will add up with it. It's Yugoslavia in the second table because it was in 1976, when it hosted the tournament. At least that's my take on it. Cheers. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 17:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

French Wikipedia

Why did the French Wikipedia remove "Languages" from the bar on the left? I thought they had completely removed the feature and it took me a while to realize that there was something to click on in the upper right corner. It makes navigating between the languages even more cumbersome and counter-intuitive. Is this change also coming to the rest of the Wikipedias? It used to be such a simple list of languages in which the articles were available. The first mistake was to collapse the list and sort them into continents. --2001:16B8:31E1:6C00:41CF:2DDF:D0A1:75E1 (talk) 11:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

We cannot help you with issues on other versions of Wikipedia, which are all separate projects. You will need to ask them. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

This is a feature of the updates to the Vector skin being done as part of the Desktop Improvements, which French Wikipedia is an early adopter of. If you have an account, you can switch back to the old version in your preferences. – Rummskartoffel 15:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Rotation period of star about its own axis vs distance from centre of galaxy

Every star in a galaxy rotates about its own axis.How the rotation peroid of a star about its own axis varies with distance of the star from the centre of a galaxy? I mean not the rotation curve of galaxy which gives rotation velocity of stars around centre of galaxy vs distance from the centre of galaxy.I want the spinning speed of stars varies with distance of galaxy from the centre ofgalaxy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4042:61F:8F87:0:0:9C8:28B1 (talk) 13:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Help Desk is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Questions like yours should be asked at the reference desk -- WP:RD, probably either math or science section. RudolfRed (talk) 14:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Why does this template cause the table of contents to be hidden?

I noticed that Peruvian cuisine has no table of contents despite having more than 4 sections and not containing __NOTOC__ in the markup, per WP:TOC. I found that removing Template:Culture of Peru from the article causes the table of contents to appear. Can anyone tell me why this template hides the table of contents? Rublov (talk) 16:20, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The table of contents, by default, appears before the first section header. Since the template contains a section header (====== Recent ======) in the history section, the table of contents ends up inside the template, and thus invisible unless you expand the template. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Pppery, should that be considered a bug in the template? Rublov (talk) 16:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Rublov, I have replaced the heading format in the template and it seems to have resolved the TOC issue. It might be worth copying this discussion to the template talk page. TSventon (talk) 17:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

TSventon, thank you. I will do so. Rublov (talk) 17:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

'All pages with suffix' tool?

There is a tool to list all pages with a certain prefix. Is there an equivalent tool for suffixes? Rublov (talk) 16:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rublov: You could perform an intitle: search to get all the pages that have a specific word in it, such as Airport intitle:/Airport/. Maybe someone else could figure out how to limit this to suffixes. GoingBatty (talk) 16:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I would have said you should just use Airport intitle:/Airport$/, but $ doesn't appear to be supported. If you don't get a working answer here, consider also asking at the technical village pump. – Rummskartoffel 11:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

This worked for me: intitle:*suffix Spiros71 (talk) 10:43, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Welcome template

Will someone give me a welcome template?

Thank you for the template.

User:GBFEE welcome, and remember to sign your posts by adding 4 tildes (~~~~) at the end. TSventon (talk) 18:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Mulitple Accounts under a Log-in

Hello, Is it possible to create another page under my current log-in? I am working on a company page, but also want to create a page for the CEO of the company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joodia (talk • contribs)

There are several things you should understand here. Wikipedia editor accounts are not tied to Wikipedia articles in any way. So, there is no limit to the number of Wikipedia articles you can create using the same editor account. I myself have created hundreds of articles about various topics. However, Wikipedia is not for promoting or advertising people's own companies, and in particular, editors are very strongly discouraged from creating articles about themselves, their employers, or topics otherwise connected to them, because of an unavoidable inherent bias. So, the answer is two-fold: Otherwise you would be fine to create articles about both, but if you own, are employed by, or are otherwise connected to these entities, you are best advised to just forget about it and wait for someone completely uninvolved to do it instead. JIP | Talk 19:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Photo glitch?

Could someone check out the page FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives and examine the photo for Bhadreshkumar Chetanbhai Patel on the list (specifically this photo: [2]. Whenever I set the photo to 100px the image is really blurred, but it works perfectly fine on 99px or 101px (currently set at this). Any reason why this is the case? I've experimented and the photo seems to glitch on any Wikipedia page if it is set to 100px, yet it's fine at 99px or 101px. Inexpiable (talk) 21:27, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I've added the photos here to prove my point. As you can see the 100px image is really blurred. If not then maybe it's just my laptop screen? I don't know why it's bugging out. Inexpiable (talk) 21:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Inexpiable: They look the same to me. RudolfRed (talk) 21:32, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I just checked on a different web browser and they look fine. But on my default chrome browser the second image is still really blurred. Any idea why it might be glitching on my chrome browser? Inexpiable (talk) 21:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

They both look the same to me as well on Chrome. Maybe it's a zoom level issue? I'm currently using 150% zoom for Wikipedia. Alternatively it might be some sort of odd script conflict, but that's beyond me. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

They both look identical to me as well, on Firefox. I can't even tell which one is the 100px one and which is the 99px one. JIP | Talk 21:48, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: @Tenryuu: @JIP: No matter what zoom it is on chrome the 100px image is still blurred. If I change it from 100px to any other number it is literally fine. Really odd. I believe it is still showing the original lower quality image from 2019. A comparison between the two files on here shows what I mean [3]. For some reason when set at 100px I am seeing the original low quality image and not the higher res one updated recently. Inexpiable (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Inexpiable: Total shot in the dark, but does purging the affected pages or clearing your cache have any effect? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thank you I emptied the cache and hard reloaded this page and it did the trick. Still weird how it was only broken at 100px though. Any idea why this happened. Issue is fixed though so thank you. Inexpiable (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Inexpiable: Not a tech expert but... I suspect what happened is that you uploaded the lower quality picture on Chrome a while back which corresponded with the 100px size. When someone else uploaded a better quality version, your Chrome decided to continue to use the old one for faster loading. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

When I have uploaded better versions of images on Commons (to fix too dark white balances), thumbnails of the images on Wikipedia stay the same until I refresh the page. This is because the browser was keeping the images in the cache. Probably the same thing happened here, one version of the image was in the cache but the other one was loaded fresh. JIP | Talk 22:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

How to obtain a list of all articles in a category, including via subcategories?

I'm a long-time editor here, but this is more about using Wikipedia than editing it, so I think I'm in the right place. (Feel free to direct me elsewhere if not.)

When a category is split into multiple subcategories, how can I get a single list of articles that are in either the top-level category or the nested categories (or both if that's the case)?

here's an example to put some meat on this. Suppose I would like a list of cities in China (that have Wikipedia articles). A good place to start would be Category:Cities in China by province. But that category has 26 subcategories, so by this approach, I'd need to check 26 different categories. And, in fact, some of them have deeper sub-sub-categorization, often for multiple levels; for example:

Category:Cities in China by province (26 sub-cats, including)

Category:Cities in Fujian (20 articles, but also 12 sub-sub-cats, including)

Category:Fuzhou (41 articles, but also 11 sub-sub-sub-cats; not all of which are categories of "Cities in Fujian", but some are, including)

Category:Fuqing (1 article; a number of sub-sub-sub-sub-cats, but none of them appear to be "Cities in Fujian")

Is there a way to select, say, Category:Cities in China by province and find all articles contained, directly or indirectly, in that category? I'm okay with being over-inclusive and catching some chaff like Wanfu Temple, which is nested under Category:Cities in China by province (by virtue of being in Category:Fuqing) despite not actually being in the set of "Cities in China". TJRC (talk) 23:40, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@TJRC: Categories are a fairly crude form of structured data. Wikipedia has a sister project, Wikidata, that is a full-up formal database for structured data. There is a Wikidata item for each Wikipedia article. It is possible to create a Wikidata query that will return a list of cities in China that have (English) Wikipedia articles, or a list of such cities with Chinese Wikipedia articles, or whatever. You can generally find one of the example queries to use as a guide to building your query. -Arch dude (talk) 00:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wikipedia:PetScan works well for this. However, in this case there is a lot more chaff then you would expect, so the result isn't very useful. Looking at only articles in subcategories of the base category (and not sub-sub-categories) produces 847 results, most of which are actual cities in China. Going one level further than that (articles in sub-sub-categories of the base category) produces 4,661 results, many of which aren't cities. Going one level further (articles in sub-sub-sub-categories of Category:Cities in China by province) procudes over 10,000 results, almost none of which are actual cities. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, both of you. Sounds like Wikidata is the way to go. I spent an afternoon with it and Python a year ago, but just toyed around a little, Maybe I'll dust those attempts off. TJRC (talk) 03:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@TJRC: Unless you need the result as input for further processing, there is no need to use Python. the system will give you the result as a nice human-readable table, with whatever columns you specify. But I agree that playing with Python is just cool.-Arch dude (talk) 16:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Python's great for people who want to squeeze the most out of their code. EEng 19:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks; I knew that, but Python is my go-to for things like this, and easier to save so when I go back to it a year later it's still there. TJRC (talk) 16:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)