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March 12

Do edit filter triggering edits get rejected completely, or do they get logged somewhere?

There is a template for warning users about triggering edit filters: {{uw-attempt}}. If an edit is rejected by an edit filter, does it get logged somewhere for others to see? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 02:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@I.hate.spam.mail.here: Yes they do! They get logged in the abuse filter log. So for example, your abuse filter log is at Special:AbuseFilter/I.hate.spam.mail.here. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

HOwever do note that sometimes an edit will trigger a private filter which means only abuse filter managers and helper (and probably also admins) can view the contents of the edit caught. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

The correct link is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=I.hate.spam.mail.here on "filter log" at top of Special:Contributions/I.hate.spam.mail.here. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Woops. I figured that it worked since the link turned blue. Looks like there isn't a way to link to it with brackets. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 04:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Log of my AfD nominations

Sorry - another dumb question from me.

I have found where there are logs of articles I have nominated for deletion via CSD or PROD. Is there something equivalent for AfD nominations?--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: There's https://afdstats.toolforge.org/, it additionally shows your !votes too, but you can check "show nominations only". ––FormalDude talk 07:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If you have it enabled, Twinkle keeps an XfD log at /XfD log in userspace. Since User:Gronk Oz/XfD log doesn't exist, that option is off. Hovever, there are other tools that can show the AfD's you participated in, such as this one (frequently used during RfA). Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both! I do use Twinkle, and I see that is what created the CSD and PROD logs, so I will look into that option. But honestly, the AFDSTATS is just what I was after for the moment. --Gronk Oz (talk) 07:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Copyright

are all additions deleted that fast when part of text is copyrighted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morefactswiki (talk • contribs) 14:40, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

how fast are copyright deleted? was in the middle of editing and someone changed everything — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morefactswiki (talk • contribs) 14:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

they didn't even only delete the copyright part, they deleted everything — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morefactswiki (talk • contribs) 14:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is very strict on copyright infringement. You should not add copyrighted works to this site. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

the question was how fast are copyrighted text deleted?

i don't it was copyrighted since copyright is usually about the entire piece, not one piece of a text Morefactswiki (talk) 14:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

No, copyright is not about the whole works, it effects portions of it. Things on Wikipedia are changed when the users that edit change them. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

> it effects portions of it

ok fine where can i see it specifically said on the rules or legal stuff on some wikipedia site Morefactswiki (talk) 15:02, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Copyrights and Wikipedia:Copyright violations. DanCherek (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

which part exactly, im looking for the part that specifically says it can be any part of the text, and that it doesnt have to be the whole, im looking for that part Morefactswiki (talk) 15:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

someone said wikipedia cant have anything at all thats copyrighted

so i guess how to get someone to delete the page history then?

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Firefly#? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morefactswiki (talk • contribs) 14:48, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I shall revision delete this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

sure, this link is too technical and says 'grossly improper' - its copyright, it should just say 'info that is against the rules' or something like that

where can i get that fixed, i cant edit that page Morefactswiki (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

To answer your question above about how quickly copyvios are removed, the answer is that they're deleted as soon as they're discovered. No grace period is provided to allow you to amend the text - as soon as it's found, it's removed. If you want to copy stuff in order to rework it, do that offline before posting here, and bear in mind the guidance at WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING.

Do not attempt to edit policy pages - only very experienced editors with a solid understanding of those policies should attempt that, and even they would be expected to get consensus for any significant changes in advance. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

ok this is way too much work, even the article was too much work

at this point i just want to know how anyone can even copy stuff to revise/rework it since remixing is not even allowing apparently due to 'copyright' so i want to get this whole copyright thing (on wikipedia) crystal clear

since its unclear if you can remix or if you cannot

ill check in the future this was way too much trouble just updating 1 article, theres so many outdated articles on here Morefactswiki (talk) 15:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy note: user is now blocked. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 15:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Share alike

this seems to be copyright of any text or anythihng on wikipedia including text on here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License

where to see which is the copyright where you cant share or remix or anything at all?

if you cant remix, how in the world can anyone get test-based info from anywhere since that counts as remixing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morefactswiki (talk • contribs) 15:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are asking. Are you sure you have the English-language skills to be editing here? What do you mean by 'test-based info'? Girth Summit _(blether) 15:15, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

> Are you sure

that is very rude, if you dont know the answer then why are you replying rudely to my question, whats wrong with you ppl, ppl are trying to make things better and then there's ppl like u Morefactswiki (talk) 15:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

It's not intended to be rude, it's a genuine question. I expect I do know the answer to the question you're asking, but I literally can't understand what you're asking. There are versions of Wikipedia in lots of different languages - it might be easier for you to contribute to your own language version of the project. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

This is quickly becoming a time sink. This user can find something else to do. Blocked. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 15:40, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Is linking to book sales website considered as ADVERTISEMENT?

Good Day,
Came across this Edit here: 1 on the wiki article Baji Rao I
The External link directs to an online retailer of Books. I am not sure if this falls foul of the NO ADVERTs clause. I am aware that AMAZON links in External Links is frowned upon. Would like some advice on if this link should be kept or removed. STC1 _talk 16:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@SierraTangoCharlie1: I cannot off-hand recall where we state this, but links to a specific bookseller are deprecated. Instead, use the ISBN (see WP:ISBN) which will take you to a page that provides links for finding the book. -Arch dude (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:ELNO #15 sort of says it. But WP:ELPOINTS #1... For me, in cs1|2 citation templates, I delete, on sight, book-seller-urls that don't link to a copy of the source that I can read. Even were I able to read Marathi (or Hindi – google translate suggested both), I would have deleted that url because the source, देवयोद्धा, is not available for me to read and it doesn't match |title=Devyoddha – I don't know if that is supposed to be a translation or romanization of देवयोद्धा.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Arch dude: ISBN 978-81-9382-933-2 just doesn't show any result either on google books or goodreads or worldcat STC1 _talk 18:15, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: the book's ISBN doesn't show up on either google books, goodreads or worldcat : ISBN 978-81-9382-933-2.
yes, Devyoddha is देवयोद्धा as written in English.
I should also continue to delete external links which point to book sellers?? STC1 _talk 18:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@SierraTangoCharlie1: Yes, that makes this specific case a tough call for me. I think I would change the title to देवयोद्धा with a translation into English and leave the link in, with an inline comment for other editors, UNLESS that particular bookseller begins to show up as WP:BOOKSPAM in other articles. In the general case, a agree with @Trappist the monk:.-Arch dude (talk) 18:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Arch dude: ok. I understand. Thank You. STC1 _talk 18:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Misinformation

Hello. I was wondering how to change some misinformation one of your partisan editors wrote about somebody on their Wikipedia page. He was called a conspiracy theorist numerous times on his page but no sources or information was provided explaining how anything he has said was conspiratorial.

If you want to be taken seriously by anyone, you should get rid of all the editors who are paid by Klous Schwab — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8D80:60B:2C9F:3DD9:8E38:2CC9:1447 (talk) 19:03, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Where is the evidence that Klaus Schwab is paying Wikipedia editors? Cullen328 (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

The IP claimed in an article that Canada has a communist dictator. I wouldn't take anything they say seriously so I'm not even asking which page the post is about. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

The pity is that what s/he wrote was probably largely true, but was properly removed as a personal assessment inappropriate to the article--and probably, as written, to any Wikipedia article. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

New language

How to add sinhala (සිංහල ) language — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ven. Pothuwila (talk • contribs) 19:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ven. Pothuwila: Add it where? There is a Sinhala language Wikipedia at https://si.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You might also be interested in {{lang-si}} (producing "Sinhala: සිංහල", for instance) or {{lang|si}} (producing "සිංහල", for instance) if you wish to have Sinhala-language text on Wikipedia. Umimmak (talk) 20:29, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

If you are asking how to add a Sinhala version of a particular article, you can find advice at WP:Translate us. ColinFine (talk) 12:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Using journalist's own writings to verify facts

I'm trying to fix the article on Ben Judah which originally had no independent sources. I'm not sure what to do about statements like (paraphrasing) "He interviewed Emmanuel Macron..." that is sourced to his interview with Macron. Most of the "Career" section saying what topics he has covered is sourced to his own articles. To me this reads like WP:OR - but is this usage ok? Thanks, Lamona (talk) 21:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I think that what you are doing is fine, Lamona. The Times is a reliable source (as there is careful editorial control) and the citation shows that, as a fact, someone called Ben Judah did interview Macron (the byline confirms this). So, we have a WP:PRIMARY source to allow this to be in the article, assuming that we as editors here are convinced this is the correct Judah. It would be great to have a WP:SECONDARY source along the lines of "X said he was impressed how good a journalist Judah was by getting Macron to reveal....". WP:OR prohibits any of us writing the article to conclude something we can't back up with sources. So it is not allowed to say "Judah is a great journalist because he got Macron to reveal...". That statement in Wikipedia's voice would be inappropriate, even though the primary source confirms the interview took place. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

How can I remove a photograph that is not of the person the article is about?

I am that person's literary executor. I am not being allowed to use another photo widely used. There is no copyright information on the other photograph, but I inherited it and it has been used elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WBMresearcher (talk • contribs) 21:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@WBMresearcher: What article is it and what is the wrong photo? RudolfRed (talk) 21:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Walter B. Miller, anthropologist and gang researcher. The photo is of a different person of the same name. I just checked, and the false photo has been removed from Wikipedia, but not the Wikipedia that shows when you look it up on Google. I tried putting up a photo of him that I inherited and has been used elsewhere, but I have no idea if anyone had a copyright to it, I highly doubt that. It was taken about 1970. I'd like to put that up if you can tell me how. My attempts have been foiled because of the copyright issue. WBMresearcher (talk) 22:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

In terms of Google search results you will need to contact Google(there should be a feedback link). 331dot (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! WBMresearcher (talk) 00:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Google sometimes take a while to catch up with changes here. Please be patient. Britmax (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Google knowledge graph doesn't necessarily use images from Wikipedia. We don't have any dealings with that system. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

That should redirect to: Google Knowledge Graph. 2603:6081:1C00:1187:B105:198:D408:6E7D (talk) 23:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Now it does. Girth Summit _(blether) 23:40, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! WBMresearcher (talk) 00:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! WBMresearcher (talk) 00:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, WBMresearcher. The lack of copyright information unfortunately means that we must assume that the photo is copyright, and cannot ordinarily be used on Wikipedia. However, for an article about a deceased subject, it is often possible to meet all the requirements of the non-free content criteria - specifically #1: Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. If so, it is possible to upload it to Wikipedia directly (not to Commons) giving a detailed justification of using it as non-free material.

However, as his literary executor, you have a conflict of interest, and should not edit the article Walter B. Miller directly.

My suggestion would be that you

1. read the pages I have linked to about non-free content and conflict of interest
2. upload the picture using the upload wizard, choosing the non-free option
3. Post an edit request (see that link for details) on Talk:Walter B. Miller, giving the name of the file you have just uploaded, and asking for it to be added to the article. ColinFine (talk) 12:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)