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August 27

Update card details

How do I update card details 90.241.230.172 (talk) 01:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

As this does not appear to be a Wikipedia issue, we cannot help you here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:53, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

If this is about donations to the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia then see donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:46, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

About my changes feedback

how I found my feedback and add topic as save tree save earth Harish ji prajapat (talk) 04:45, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Harish ji prajapat, the only edits you have made to English Wikipedia have been to write some kind of essay (in Hindi) on your user page and to ask the question immediately above. A user page is not for essays, and your essay will soon be deleted. Is your purpose here the improvement and augmentation (in English) of the encyclopedia? If so, welcome. Go ahead and improve and/or augment (basing your edits on reliable sources). But if not, you are at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 06:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Seneca Vocational High School Buffalo, NY article Typo

The Wikipedia article about Seneca Vocational High School, in Buffalo is very well written. I attended Seneca Vocational and graduated from Seneca Vocational High School in 1958.

The Seneca article has one typographical error that I want to correct but I find your editing instructions for a simple year typo are too complex for me. So I resort to the Help Desk.

Very early in the Wikipedia Seneca high school article it says Seneca HS was built in 1925 (which is correct) but then it says the school was enlarged with an addition in 1925, which is NOT correct. The Seneca school addition construction was started in the spring of 1954 and completed in December of 1955. I remember the construction of the Seneca addition very well. I can send you a photocopy of the page in the 1955 Seneca Chieftain yearbook which mentions the addition and the construction years. I hope someone at Wikipedia can correct the addition construction date. Ronald Aubry

Since the second "1925" was clearly a typo, I've emended it to 1955. Deor (talk) 15:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Donation

I made a donation to Wikipedia this morning by clicking on the banner indicating that Wiki needs financial help. I donated 25€ from a Credit Card account. The sum has been debited from my account but Wikimedia reports that the transaction had a problem

Having been debited, I hope you get the money. Best regards, Andre Davis user  : Andre.bapjg Andre.bapjg (talk) 07:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Please communicate issues with the donation process to the Wikimedia Foundation that collects them; we editors have nothing to do with the process. Email donate@wikimedia.org to contact them regarding your donation. 331dot (talk) 08:15, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Poem

poem by Jack Devis evergreen 103.14.88.152 (talk) 09:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

poem by Jack Devis evergreen 103.14.88.152 (talk) 09:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, person in PNG. If you have a question about using Wikipedia, feel free to ask it. -- Hoary (talk) 10:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

This presumably refers to the Australian poet and playwright Jack Davis (please note spelling), who wrote a poem 'Evergreen'. Unfortunately our article about him does not (yet) mention it, but web-searching "Jack Davis poem Evergreen" returns plenty of hits.

OP, this Helpdesk is for questions about editing and using Wikipedia. Please ask factual questions at the Reference Desk – the appropriate sub-desk for this query would have been Reference Desk/Humanities. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Hostility

There is an editor who is using edit summaries to be uncivil toward other editors. Despite being warned, the behaviour continues and the editor is reverting the warnings. I need assistance with this. Jellysandwich0 (talk) 11:42, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Jellysandwich0, I have had a look, please ask if you have more questions.

Edit summaries such as "shush" are uncivil, which is covered by the Wikipedia:Civility policy. They are not Wikipedia:personal attacks, which can lead to a block. The civility policy has advice on Dealing with incivility, but "shush" is very mild so it is probably best to focus on the content dispute.

Editors are allowed to remove most comments from their talk page and it is assumed that they have read them, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#User talk pages. You should not add back the same content once it has been reverted by a user from their own talk page.

Thendral Vandhu Ennai Thodum is an example of a contact dispute where you have removed content several times with the summary "Do not question the readers". When your edit is reverted it is better to follow Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss and start a discussion rather than continuing a slow Wikipedia:Edit war. Also it is helpful to quote policies such as MOS:SOCRATIC which says that the article should avoid questions to the reader. TSventon (talk) 13:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the ways to handle it better, they are appreciated. But look at the user's User Contributions, did you see that "shut up" is in the Edit Summaries on June 12 at 23:19, June 20 at 23:31, and June 23 at 19:56, "shush you neek", on June 23 at 19:57, and "p*** off", on June 27 at 20:24? The Edit Summaries are being misused. Problem-solving seems appropriate in this case. Is that possible? Also, is it possible to have Edit Summaries like these removed? Jellysandwich0 (talk) 14:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

I still don't see a major problem with the edit summaries on their own. "shush you neek" is a personal attack, but on a bot not an human editor, "p*** off" was also addressed to a bot. According to Help:Edit summary#Fixing, In the extreme case of an edit summary containing certain kinds of harmful content, the summary can be deleted on request. I am not an admin, but I don't think anything mentioned so far meets the Wikipedia:Revision deletion#Criteria for redaction. TSventon (talk) 15:25, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Roberto Vannacci

Good morning. I created the "Roberto Vannacci" page, but I need help. JackkBrown (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@jackkbrown: with what? ltbdl (talk) 13:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ltbdl: I need help for the whole article. JackkBrown (talk) 13:22, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

?? ltbdl (talk) 13:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, Have you read Help:Your first article? TSventon (talk) 13:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

It currently cites no sources. It has 19 things that look like references, but don't actually link to sources. I have moved it to Draft:Roberto Vannacci, where it won't be at risk of deletion as unsourced, and where you can continue working on it. You need to read Help:Referencing for beginners. &nbs.[p; Maproom (talk) 16:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Need help to swap main article page with its redirect page

Help, please with two page moves. I have previously tried to do something similar elsewhere and made a complete mess of it and don’t want to repeat that experience.

Currently, there exists a biography article titled Christopher R. W. Nevinson, with a redirect page to it titled C. R. W. Nevinson. I have proposed on the article talk page that the main article should be titled C. R. W. Nevinson, with no objections or comments, and would like to go ahead with that change. Please could someone competent do a swap, so the main article is titled C. R. W. Nevinson and the redirect page to it is titled Christopher R. W. Nevinson. Thanks. Masato.harada (talk) 15:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Masato.harada, you want Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. They may want to treat this as a Wikipedia:Requested move as the original discussion was not notified correctly. TSventon (talk) 16:56, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

How do I create a new page for Joe Burrus, I feel it's mad he doesn't have one.

How do I create a new page for Joe Burrus, I feel it's mad he doesn't have one. Basically the same as the title. HollHopDrive123 (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Writing a new article is difficult. This person must be notable in some way and receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that you can summarize. We usually recommend that a new user first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles to learn how Wikipedia operates, as well as use the new user tutorial. However, if you wish to dive in, please go to Articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 16:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes I understand this, but given the recent youtube video including him The Darkest Moments in TV History 2 - YouTube I feel like he's as least worth a mention. It is and will become more so - notatble. (i think) HollHopDrive123 (talk) 16:45, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

It is a significant historical event and there's lots to it. Really what do you have to do to qualify for a wiki article? (rhetorical question) HollHopDrive123 (talk) 16:49, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Joe Burrus is only known because of the way he died, which is why I've created a redirect so that people looking for him will be led to the TV show, Death by Magic, which discusses his death and career. --~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs)

I have retargeted the redirect to List of entertainers who died during a performance#Joe Burrus which says a little more about him and seems more suitable than a TV episode made decades after his death. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Coverage of the event includes

• https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-01-ca-5220-story.html
• https://www.unilad.com/features/magician-amazing-joe-buried-alive-died-290810-20221207

But I completely agree, WP:BLP1E applies.Naraht (talk) 21:25, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

He is long dead, Naraht, so WP:BLP1E does not apply. Instead, WP:BIO1E is the applicable guideline. Cullen328 (talk) 01:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328 But how do we know he is dead? :) 16:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

What links here: hide links from templates

Is there a way to have "what links here" only show "direct" links in the page and not those links included by templates used on the page? RedWolf (talk) 18:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

If you pick "What links here" and then tick the box "Hide transclusion". That will remove links through templates except where the template was substituted rather than transcluded (the great majority are transluded). ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

No, "Hide transclusions" only hides pages which transclude the page, not pages which transclude a template with a link to the page. @RedWolf: See User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js for a script doing what you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)"Hide transclusions" only hides transclusions of the page you're looking at links to. Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:User link with Hide Transclusions checked won't show the transclusions of {{user links}} (or its redirect {{u}}) on David Ferriero or Friends of the Everglades or Comprised of or innumerable talk and projectspace pages; but it will still show the links from, for example, Template:User2, which links it only by transcluding {{Userspace linking templates}}. We've been asking for a native way to see direct, non-transcluded links almost since templates were introduced, before I began editing. —Cryptic 20:41, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

• The "Source Links" script gives me what I was looking for. @PrimeHunter: Is it possible to streamline the output (e.g. not display images or size and date of last update) so it looks more like "What links here" output? Thanks. RedWolf (talk) 21:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Can we still use Visual Editor or am i just not seeing it?

Hi! I have made some edits to wikipedia but haven't do so for a while because i cant seem to see the visual editor anymore and anytime i want to edit, its always go for the source editor so i'm wondering if visual have been removed and we can only edit? in source or i am being dumb and not seeing it? i have "Enable the visual editor" turned on in preferences by the way. I am mainly asking this as i want to expand the Article 2014 Coventry City Council Election with this source Knockknock987 (talk) 18:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@Knockknock987: Also note the "Editing mode" option at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. Visual Editor still works. Does [1] start Visual Editor for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter works like a charm, thank you. i will now expand the article using the source Knockknock987 (talk) 20:56, 27 August 2023 (UTC)