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January 5

Editing

I am trying to edit the article on Frederick R. Lehlbach. His spouse should be listed as Frances Marten but is incorrectly listed as Anna Adele Doremus. Anna Adele Doremus is my grandmother and was married to Frederick A. Lehlbach, cousin of Frederick R. Lehlbach. The two men are often confused, including in published materials and on the internet. I cannot simply make the change without disrupting references cited in the article. The cited reference is incorrect. Potterj08551 (talk) 00:17, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Frederick R. Lehlbach

hi @Potterj08551 and welcome to Wikipedia! upon reviewing the source attached to it, this edit is  In progress. 💜  melecie  talk - 01:44, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done. Anna is no longer referred to as Frederick R's spouse since the source stated that she married Frederick A. you can bring up Frances being his spouse in an edit request in the talk page of the article, in this case Talk:Frederick R. Lehlbach, as long as you have reliable sources like historical articles to back up this claim. you may also edit the article directly, but due to your situation being related to them this may be discouraged. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:54, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Looking for most verifiable citations

I was using IMDb links, but it sounds like those aren't acceptable, but I also tried direct links to the film festival websites where it documents the awards for the film, but it appears those might not be acceptable, either. What is the best way to show verification of the festivals and awards? Thank you for any help you can provide. I greatly appreciate it. Bequebmemory (talk) 02:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bequebmemory: It seems to me that the festival websites are primary sources, which means that they can be used, but must be used with care: see WP:PRIMARY. In particular, they can ordinarily be used to verify non-contriversial facts about themselves, and they cannot be used to establish notability. I'm not sure about our community consensus here, so I suggest you ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film. -Arch dude (talk) 03:18, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bequebmemory: As IMDb can be edited by anyone the information there isn't reliable to be used here, however the websites themselves should be able to be used as a source, as above ask at the WikiProject Film as there'll be editors who can potentially help you with your query. StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 03:21, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your response. I tried linking directly to the film's site, but maybe I can put several citations there (to the festivals that list the awards)? I will do more research. Thank you for your help Bequebmemory (talk) 03:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

COVID-19 apps

COVID-19 apps has very many bare URLs. I do not know how to fix it, or what hatnotes to use.

This makes a very big table unreadable....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:ELLIST, which gives an example of just such usage. Mikenorton (talk) 12:59, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Help with Chrome

Question and response moved to "Help with Chrome" Mikenorton (talk) 13:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Upload pic

I have not been able to upload a picture on an article. Every time I try it gives me an error. This is a normal JPEG pic of a person. Help! Philosophymaybe (talk) 14:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Philosophymaybe The pictures used in articles are stored in Wikimedia Commons or, if WP:NONFREE, here on the English Wikipedia. Where did your image come from? If it was taken by you using your own camera, then you should have no issues uploading it at commons:Special:UploadWizard, taking the defaults to license it for everyone to use. Note that you must not upload images you happen to have found somewhere, for example on the Internet, as you do not own the copyright. If you run into further difficulties and have read WP:PIC for advice, come back here to the Help desk, giving full details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:27, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Philosophymaybe Incidentally, if the photo is to be used in your draft Draft:Carlo Alvaro, I would wait until the article is accepted before adding it. As it stands, there is zero chance of the draft passing review, since every one of its sources is authored by Alvaro or his university, so not acceptable to show he is notable in the sense Wikipedia uses that word. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:34, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure what you are talking about. I reviewed other Wikipedia entries and they are exactly the same. They talk about a person and all the citations are of those persons' own work or from their respective universities. I am confused. Philosophymaybe (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Philosophymaybe I am talking about a core principle of Wikipedia, stated at WP:42. Biographies may certainly mention the work someone has done and the publications they have produced but they cannot be based solely on that material. If you have found another article that is restricted like that, then please link it here as it should almost certainly be deleted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull @Philosophymaybe there are some exceptions to the independent/secondary requirement, for example WP:NPROF, because in order to be a Professor, your work must be peer reviewed by others. I am not sure Draft:Carlo Alvaro qualified under that, but worth mentioning. Agreed not to focus on images until article is approved. Primarily sources can be used, but in most cases are not sufficient for establishing notability. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:47, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Page move success?

I just did my first page move. Looks OK - anyone like to check? 2022 - 2023 Russian mystery fires And just to add, dozens of articles on Ukraine need same. Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:02, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Definitely an improvement, Thelisteninghand. I moved it again to get the dash style right. You may want to read over that guideline if you're going to move more pages with year ranges in the titles. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thelisteninghand, User:Firefangledfeathers moved the article to 2022–2023 Russian mystery fires per WP:ENDASH. I think the retitling was a bold move. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Cheers! I had just noticed the endash elsewhere. Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

International Democrat Union

Hello me and another user has been changing each other's edits. On this page. They presume the US member party is the Democratic Party due to the name of the organization being the International Democrat Union. The article until they changed it has always had the Republican Party as the member of party which is backed up by the official website of the organization. www.idu.org/members and you have to click on the United States, and you will see the Republican party as the member. Also, the user fool language in the conversation. 216.198.191.242 (talk) 21:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Both of you need to stop edit warring, and discuss the matter on the article's talk page. If you are unable to reach consensus, then dispute resolution tells you the possible next steps to take. ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

How many games for a franchise

I'm playing a video game sires, I expect you to die. Currently it has 2 games with one smaller free game. They confirmed they would come out with a 3rd game so how many games would they have to make for a page to be made about the franchise? LuxembourgLover (talk) 22:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

There appears to be articles already about some of the games, the one you have linked to and a sequel StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 01:40, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

As far as Wikipedia is concerned, it doesn't make any difference whether they have one game or a thousand. What matters is whether people unconnected with them have written about them in reliable sources. See notability. ColinFine (talk) 11:33, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The general rule of thumb for video games is at least three things eg three titles or two games and a film spin-off. But above that, good quality reliable sourcing is the main thing and don't make it just an edited highlights version of the other articles, it needs to stand on its own. WT:VG is the best place to seek advice.- X201 (talk) 12:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Passing of time

Does time ever factor into COIs and the Independence of a source? For instance, if I worked somewhere ten years ago do I still have a COI? Similarly, if someone worked for a newspaper ten years ago and now the newspaper wrote an article about that person would the source be independent? I don't feel like WP:COI or WP:INDEPENDENT really address this, but maybe I'm missing it. If someone could cite a policy or guideline that clearly indicates one way or the other I'd appreciate it. Personally, I would assume that once a COI, always a COI. However, that very well could be wrong. TipsyElephant (talk) 23:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: My personal opinion, not policy. First, COI is a continuum, not a yes/no. For example, we don't consider US residents to have a COI with respect to the US. Second, actual COI is a state of mind of the editor and is only loosely correlated with formal associations to the subject. You have a COI if you think or know that you might not be objective about a subject. So, If you have a long-ago association with a subject or only a tenuous association, then state this on your talk page and make a declaration that you do not feel that you are a biased editor on that subject. Others can decide. -Arch dude (talk) 00:52, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Write an Article on Felix (singer)

I would like to request someone to write an article for Lee Felix, a member of Stray Kids. I am new to Wikipedia, so I need to practice editing before I publish any pages. I have worked on something, but I do not think it can be viewed publicly yet. I started with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_(singer) and I will need someone to do their research to fulfill this new page. Flame, not lame (talk) 23:59, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Flame, not lame, there is no article titled Felix (singer) and it doesn't appear that there has ever been one. Ditto for Lee Felix (singer). You have written about this fellow in User:Flame, not lame/sandbox. This has a long way to go before it has a chance of becoming an article. Do reliable sources discuss him in depth? If so, please provide links to what you consider the three best among these. (Do it here, in this Help Desk thread.) Then others here will be able to evaluate them for you. If such sources don't exist, no article can be written by anyone. If you hope that others will find the sources for you, that's probably not going to happen: Other people tend to be occupied by whatever happen to be their own interests. -- Hoary (talk) 00:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there are reliable sources for this person. I cited two sources so far. I am not sure how many people who are familiar with Stray Kids are active on Wikipedia.

I used these two resources, as cited in the article I have been working on:

https://stray-kids.fandom.com/wiki/Felix

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/lee-felix-43052.php

I have considered fandom websites are not always accurate. Lee Felix, Lee Felix (singer), and Felix Lee would also be acceptable titles for his Wikipedia page. This person's Korean alias is Lee Yong-bok.

Here is a third website I came across but have not used or sited for my practice page yet:

https://biographyline.com/lee-felix-biography-age-profession-affair-wealth/

Basic information about Felix:

Lee Felix, commonly referred to mononymously as Felix, is an Australia singer, dancer, and rapper from the K-pop boy band Stray Kids. He was born on September 15th, 2000 in Sydney, Australia. He is popularly recognized for his uncommonly low voice. Flame, not lame (talk) 23:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

@User:Flame, not lame:

• N Stray Kids FANDOM wiki: Wikis are user-generated and do not make for reliable sources.
• N Thefamouspeople.com: Taking a look at their "About us" page:

  We consider that the wisdom of the crowd is better than the wisdom of few experts. Our lists are based on a wide spectrum of opinion—including the insights given by our audience and the latest social media trends. This data is then filtered by our intelligent technology which helps churn out the most definitive and credible rankings.

  Appears to be user-dependent, so most likely user-generated.
• ? Biography Line: An earlier RSN discussion has called it a junk scraper [site] (biographyline.com, celebsblurb.com), so it leans toward being unreliable.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I would like to continue this discussion so I can work together with other users on Wikipedia to write Felix's page.

I am guessing this is an alright source, so I will link it again:

https://biographyline.com/lee-felix-biography-age-profession-affair-wealth/

Here is the main article for Felix's boy band: Stray Kids

I will paste several links after spending some time searching online, and I must remember to take the CRAAP test when I am searching for reliable sources.

Links:

https://kprofiles.com/felix-profile-facts/

https://www.musicmundial.com/en/2022/10/17/stray-kids-felix-confesses-his-biggest-insecurity-in-his-childhood/

https://www.gluwee.com/felix-stray-kids/

I will need to update them later on when I find more information. Flame, not lame (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2023 (UTC)