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Retire from Wikipedia

I need Some Help Can you Please help me with Retire from Wikipedia Please. 98.186.55.18 (talk) 04:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi 98.186.55.18. If you no longer want to edit (i.e. retire from Wikipedia), there's nothing special that you need to do; you can simply just stop editing. User with registered accounts can post something on their user pages or their user talk pages letting others know they've decided to WP:RETIRE, but it's not required and most likely not appropriate to do when editing from an IP account. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

In person questions and facts

This summe I I am going to myltiple historical sites and I want to ask the polocy if you ask a question to a historian and theh answers it. How do I site that? I have learned a lot and I want to update few pages. LuxembourgLover (talk) 15:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, LuxembourgLover. I'm afraid that you can't cite unpublished information. If the historian gives you a reference (eg a book or article to find the information in), then you can look for that published source, and if you find it, and it is a reliable source (eg, not self-published by an amateur historian) and it supports the information you have been given, you can add the information to a Wikipedia article, with a citation to the source. But without a published source, you may not add the information.

Another possibility is to post on the talk page of the article in question, or of a relevant WikiProject saying "I was told XXX by a volunteer at YYY site. Does anybody have a published source so that I can add this information?" ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

But you could take some photos of those sites and upload them so they can be used in articles. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Declined WP:AfC moved into mainspace anyway

I was taking a look at the New Pages feed and noticed that Schooley Mitchell was recently created, without addressing the issues that caused it to be declined at Draft:Schooley Mitchell. I think the page should be WP:DRAFTIFY'd as the issues are related to NPOV and COI violations. Of course, since a copy already exists in draft space, the mainspace article should just be deleted. Would this qualify for WP:CSD? Under what criterion? GoodCrossing (talk) 15:16, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@GoodCrossing, deleted as WP:CSD#G11, unambiguous advertising. I have also tagged the draft page for deletion (could have deleted it, but four eyes are better in most cases). In general, if a page that has been draftified is copied to mainspace, and you think it shouldn't be, check if it satisfies the WP:CSD, and if not, nominate via WP:AFD, which will help settle the matter more definitely. —Kusma (talk) 15:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Right after I posted this, I noticed it got tagged. Thanks for the info! I'll keep it in mind for next time. GoodCrossing (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Lack of Access

        Hi, I'm blind, using a Windows 10 PC with JAWS 2020 screen  reader and Google Chrome.

Over the past year, after a Google search, I would click on a Wikipedia link and seemingly get a blank page. Today I checked with Windows Narrator and found I had been returned to my desk top.

The latest was today, a search for "Kon Tiki". Each time I clicked on the Wikipedia link, I was kicked back to my desk top. A few times lately, links within a Wikipedia article also did this.  Google links to other sites on the same topic worked as expected.

I have no idea why this happens.

Regards,

Brian Gage

I'm blind, using JAWS 2020. I'm 75, not inclined to learning new changes. I've clicked on numerous Wiki links over the past year which led nowhere. Blank pages were common. Lables that had no link 2604:3D08:1E80:FA00:74C7:186D:3CD0:2514 (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't help you myself. But I posted links to your question at Village pump (technical) and the Wikiproject Accessibility's talk page in hopes of bringing this to the attention of people with relevant expertise. I hope someone will be able to help you. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:41, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Not sure how are you navigating so I'll give two options. In Wikipedia there are some access keys that can help. The combination that will take you to the search field is: alt and shift and F. When using TAB key this will be (in order): jump to content (link), menu button, Wikipedia button (main page) and then the search bar. After search you should use that jump to content link to go to the main content. Then JAWS should be able to read the article contents directly. You should be able to use the H key to navigate to headers (sections) of the article. Though I'm not sure why would you end up in a blank section. Maybe some hotkey of JAWS changed and you used that. Nux (talk) 20:41, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Graham87: who I know to edit with JAWS in case he can help. Star Mississippi 02:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I am not familiar with JAWS, but looking at the website, I found that you can get free technical support by phone, email, or webform: [1]. Maybe this is an issue they can help with. Additionally, JAWS 2020 is not the most recent version, so perhaps tech support can advise on if using a more recent version will help. RudolfRed (talk) 02:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Brian, indeed, updating will probably help, but it would be relatively expensive, especially because you're in Canada (per your IP address), not in the US, where it would be cheaper. As for your actual issue, this sounds a bit like this technical support bulletin, except that you say it's been happening for the past year or so. Maybe updating Chrome like it says (which is free) might help, but that should have happened automatically ... it has for me, at any rate (but I use JAWS 2023 so I didn't have this issue). Graham87 04:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I still have a copy of JAWS 2020 and I couldn't reproduce this issue with it after going through several Wikipedia pages in Incognito mode. Perhaps updating Chrome fixed the issue, shared files in newer versions of JAWS may have done so as well, or I didn't go through enough pages to come across the problem. Feel free to email me at grahamwpgmail.com for more ideas. Graham87 04:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I just thought to try Kon-Tiki expedition, which I assume is the article you're referring to, and that worked for me under JAWS 2020 as well. Graham87 10:59, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Another possibility is a broken browser extension, that just happens to crash when a Wikipedia page is opened. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Unable to make updates to Hunter Lovins page

Hello, a couple of weeks ago I tried to make changes to Ms. Hunter Lovins wikipedia page because I could see that it had incorrect information and needed updating. I keep getting emails from Wiki saying that it looks like I'm a paid editor and I am not. I have written back to the several times telling them I have nothing to disclose and they still will not post the changes. I verified the correctness of my edits with Ms. Lovins office as well. Can you please get my edits on her page? Thank you. SolaSands (talk) 22:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

If you are in communication with her office, you have a conflict of interest. You should be proposing edits on the article talk page as formal edit requests. 331dot (talk) 22:41, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@SolaSands: In addition to what 331dot posted above, please understand that Wikipedia isn't really interested in what Lovins or her office has to say or what changes they may want made. Lovins and her office have no final editorial control over the article's content as explained here, and any changes that are proposed are going to need to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Lovins and her office are almost certainly going to be considered WP:PRIMARY sources when it comes to information about her and there are going to be lots of restrictions placed on such information. It would be much better for you to look for WP:SECONDARY and WP:INDEPENDENT sources that aren't directly connected to Lovins or her office that support whatever changes you or they feel need to be made. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Any other source of information about her background would be unreliable. Calling her office at Natural Capitalism Solutions office staff only verified the information I requested. I don't see conflict of interest. I have no interest financially or otherwise with Ms. Lovins and just want to ensure that I am writing correct information about her. SolaSands (talk) 02:42, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@SolaSands: Contacting a company in which she has a stake in means the source isn't independent from her. Independence is part of what makes a reliable source reliable. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not concerned about the truth; it only cares about what sources deemed reliable say about her. You are more than welcome to deliberate the veracity of the information the sources use and cast doubt on their reliability. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Note: It might be better to continue this discussion at User talk:SolaSands#June 2023 since there's not really anything more that can be posted here that hasn't already be posted above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Help with edits at Manifestation page

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia, and I recently made some edits to the manifestation page. I feel that manifestation is a significant topic, and the current paragraphs on the page don't adequately cover its depth and importance. However, I've noticed that my edits keep getting removed, even though I provided quality information and reliable sources. I want to clarify that I wasn't trying to engage in an "editing war" or create unnecessary conflicts. In fact, no one else has been editing the page besides me. I wasn't aware of the limit of three edits per day, and I apologize for any unintended violation of Wikipedia's guidelines. I'm reaching out to you for guidance on what I might be doing wrong and how I can improve my contributions to the manifestation page. I believe this topic deserves a more comprehensive treatment, and I'm eager to collaborate and ensure that the page reflects accurate and valuable information. Below is the source I used for the edits:

Extended content

Manifestation (or manifesting) refers to various self-help strategies that can purportedly make an individual's wishes come true by mentally visualizing them. Manifestation techniques are based on the law of attraction of New Thought spirituality. While the process involves positive thinking, or even directing requests to the Universe, or Source, it also involves actions on the part of the individual. The practice became popularized in the public through the film The Secret (2006) and a book of the same name by Rhonda Byrne. It has been popularized on social media since the 2010s, particularly on platforms like TikTok, where it has gained immense traction and become one of the most popular topics. The rise of manifestation techniques on TikTok has introduced a younger generation to the concept and allowed for the sharing of different approaches and methods. One of the manifestation techniques that has gained significant popularity on TikTok is the O-Method. The O-Method involves a transformative journey of sensual awakening and pleasure, combining elements of tantra and manifestation. TikTok users share their experiences with the O-Method, discussing its potential for deepening connections with partners and unlocking manifestation abilities. Another popular manifestation technique on TikTok is the Mirror Method. This technique involves using mirrors to visualize desires and affirmations. Users create videos showing their mirror rituals and share the positive outcomes they have experienced. The 3-6-9 Method, based on numerology, is also widely practiced on TikTok. This technique involves setting specific intentions or desires at 3:33 AM, 6:33 AM, and 9:33 AM, aligning with the repeating numbers. TikTok users document their experiences with this method and discuss the synchronicities and manifestations that occur. TikTok has provided a platform for users to share their experiences with manifestation and offer guidance and inspiration to others. The short-form video format allows for quick and engaging content, making it accessible to a wide audience. As a result, manifestation has become a hit on TikTok, with creators sharing their success stories, techniques, and tips to manifest their desires. While manifestation has gained popularity on social media, it is important to note that it remains a subject of debate and skepticism. Critics argue that it lacks scientific evidence and can perpetuate unrealistic expectations. However, for many TikTok users, manifestation offers a sense of empowerment and a tool for personal growth and self-improvement. == References == Logrus9090 (talk) 22:59, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a platform for the propagation of credulous horseshit. And the opinions of random TikTok users are about as far removed from the reliable sources we require as could possibly be imagined. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

The subject-matter is obvious twaddle (and with "gained immense traction and become one of the most popular topics" and the like, the description "needs work", shall we say); however, Wikipedia does attempt to explain twaddle (QAnon, the utterances of Sidney Powell, trickle-down economics, etc etc) and the obsessions of Tiktok users for those who are curious. Discuss your proposed rewrite at Talk:Manifestation (popular psychology). -- Hoary (talk) 23:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for actually constructive feedback. Logrus9090 (talk) 23:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

How to get

How to get the table like for your name and birthdates and other Malaquia100 (talk) 23:42, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@malaquia100: they're called infoboxes. lettherebedarklight晚安 00:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm very sorry for troubling you but how do you get the infobox to put my own name and stuff Malaquia100 (talk) 14:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Malaquia100 (talk) 14:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@malaquia100: if you're trying to create an autobiography, don't. lettherebedarklight晚安 14:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Why Malaquia100 (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm new so I am asking you how do you put pics and videos on my page like yours Malaquia100 (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

The link provided to H:IB gives a pretty robust tutorial on how to do so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)