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May 25

change a article

hello, I'm trying to edit an article called: oliva cigar. but I have not succeeded, I would like to know what happens? The information that I am adding is true 2803:1800:41CF:97F7:939:2DC1:A869:8DB8 (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Is this about Oliva_Cigar_Co.? Another IP editor (you?) has been trying to remove a large amount of material from the article. Discuss your proposed changes on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it was me, since the current information is old and is not correct. 2800:E2:C880:750:3810:23A4:13F9:B949 (talk) 17:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

That may be true, but we cannot accept amendments on your anonymous say-so. (Maybe you work for a rival company and want to harm the article – such things happen.) We need published Reliable sources to which all new information must be cited in the correct manner.

We can, and should, remove material that has not been cited to reliable sources, but material that is properly cited to sources that were both reliable and correct at the time cannot be removed without new sources to demonstrate that it is now incorrect.

You, 2803:1800:41CF:97F7:939:2DC1:A869:8DB8, need to explain at Talk:Oliva_Cigar_Co. (As RudolphRed says above) what changes you think should be made and what reliable sources corroborate them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195}

Issues from a Wikipedia project regarding SVGs

I've made plenty of SVG vectorizations of Coats of arms of municipalities in Puerto Rico, I've had plenty of issues with members of the Puerto Rican Wikiproject regarding that specifically; instant reverts, claims of vandalism, reporting to admins, behaving as a WP:GANG in some manner and even cyberstalking me. I've recently made a higher quality version of the Coat of arms of Ponce, Puerto Rico as the one currently used made by User:TheEloquentPeasant (seen here) is low quality and clearly a bitmap trace of what could be a copyrighted image (to those who dont know coats of arms have things called blasons, these blasons are what tells the artist to draw, renditions by artists can and most of the time are subject to copyright unless posted otherwise, blasons being copyrighted themselves are extremely rare especially in the United States). Assuming good faith and after taking a break from editing anything related to Puerto Rico in fears of being bothered once more I replaced the SVG on the article for quality and possibly tracing issues. It was immediately removed by a PR wikiproject member (which can be viewed here), user states that "The shield replaced has been there over 15 yrs (18:42, 1 November 2007), as such, it has the tacit approval of tens, perhaps hundreds, of past contributing editors as well as the current ones. It was a major change to the article, but perhaps you also had a major reason to change it. IAE, please discuss it in the article's Talk Page and achieve WP:CONSENSUS for the change first.. Thank you.'", that being said the justification given is for the revert is incorrect. For one the file that was changed has not been up for over 15 years, it in fact was made in 2020, nor was it approved by a consensus that the user is very addiment about me following to replace it.

I'm not really sure how I should handle this as all of my experiences with this particular Wikiproject has been nothing but toxic and uncalled for, any advice or help would be appreciated!  Viiticus  ^Loqui? 01:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Vitticus: You should discuss it at Talk:Ponce,_Puerto_Rico#Coat_of_arms/Shield_edit_reverted where the editor that reverted you has already started the discussion about the image. If you are unable to reach consensus there, then follow the advice at WP:DR to resolve the dispute. RudolfRed (talk) 04:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Regardless of how long the other image was there, this is part of the normal process of WP:BRD Bold, Revert, Discuss. You put a change in, the other editor reverted, and now the next step is to discuss it. RudolfRed (talk) 04:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Editors are not required to get consensus for an edit prior to making it. If they had a valid reason why the edit should be undone, then they should have provided one. "No consensus" is not a valid reason. Are you sure that the WikiProject as a group is controlling content? That's a serious charge if true, but that particular WikiProject doesn't seem very active. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm sceptical of the claim that a blason can be subject to copyright. There's nothing creative in it. If you show a coat of arms to a group of people competent at heraldry, and ask them each to write a blason for it, they should all come up with pretty much the same text. Maproom (talk) 07:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Unless I am missing something, you are in agreement with the OP? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

سلام عليكم اسعد الله يومكم شو لازم اعمل

انا بدي عمل Ayoub Bouhazzi (talk) 08:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Ayoub Bouhazzi This is the English Wikipedia, please communicate in English. 331dot (talk) 08:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayoub Bouhazzi: Hi there! If you're interested in working on the English Wikipedia, you can look at the Wikipedia:Task Center for ideas on how you could contribute in English. You might also be interested in the Arabic Wikipedia. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

سلام عليك, Ayoub. Please ask at ar:ويكيبيديا:فريق المساعدة/طلبات. ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Broken table on mobile phone using Wikipedia app

I'm looking at the main table of Opinion polling for the next Israeli legislative election on my phone, using both the Wikipedia app and a browser. In the Wikipedia app, but not in the browser, the table is broken. The first data row has been merged with the heading row, so that the first 3 cells of the first data row appear under the names of the first 3 parties rather than under the first 3 headings. I'm not sufficiently familiar with wiki tables to be able to tell whether there is some subtle error in the table syntax. I've killed the app and restarted it, but the problem remains. Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 13:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

PS: and the last 3 cells of the first data row are projecting beyond the right-hand edge of the table. Misha Wolf (talk) 13:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Misha Wolf: I have fixed rowspan.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Two-level list with arabic and lower-roman markers

I've created a two-level list at Nexus Task Force § Actions that are considered to be antisemitic, which is intended to use arabic markers at the first level and lower-roman markers at the second level. As I don't know how to do this, I have - for now - used plain bullets at the second level. I see, at Help:List § Changing the list type, how to create lower-roman markers, but don't know how to apply this technique to a second level list, given that "In order to be a list, each line must begin the same way. This holds true for mixed lists." (see Help:List § Common mistakes). Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 13:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Trappist the monk, I see that you've made the change. Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 14:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

need help with placing a figure

I am trying to add a new figure to this section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cannabis#Liberalizing_and_legalizing , and I cannot remove this text from the article body: [[

The number of publications about marijuana/cannabis according to Web of Science. |thumb|alt=Correlation between publications about cannabis and historic events from https://origins.osu.edu/article/illegalization-marijuana-brief-history?language_content_entity=en%7CThe number of publications about marijuana/cannabis according to Web of Science.]]

Can someone clean up this mess? I will continue with writing the article wafterwards. Walter Tau (talk) 16:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Walter Tau: I have removed some invalid code.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 17:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you for your help. that was easy ! Walter Tau (talk) 17:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Adding Reference material

Hello,

I can do visual editing but not source editing. I'd like to add a few references but not sure how to do it. I'm curently in the sandbox, hoping to get approval for my wikipedia page.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Diana Stevan Diana Stevan (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Click the "Cite" button on the header when editing your sandbox, and then you can either have the visual editor automatically make a citation for you, manually input the details for a citation, or reuse a source you've already used. interstatefive  17:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Diana Stevan: See also the short video at WP:EASYREFBEGIN. GoingBatty (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I'll give it a go tomorrow or the next day when my brain isn't fried. :) 2001:569:BDE0:5200:D862:B4:3346:4DE4 (talk) 22:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I edit the Wikipedia page about me?

Someone I don't know created a Wiki page about me 13 or so years ago. (I work in the film industry.) It has some factual errors. Can I edit the page myself? No one knows more about the facts of my life than I do! if the answer is no, what's the best way to get the errors corrected? 76.167.151.163 (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

You should go to the talk page and request an edit, not do it yourself. See {{Request edit}}. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Moreover, Wikipedia can only primarily use information that is verifiable as reported by sources that are secondary and reliable; it can't use anything that you yourself say except in a few instances. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

"On this day" mailing list?

On the Main Page, under Featured Article, there is a link to subscribe to a mail list to get the article of the day. Under "On this Day" there is also a mailing list link. I assumed(!) that this would be a mailing list to get the On this Day section emailed to me. But, the link leads to the same list as the Featured Article section -- to get the article of the day.

Is this link wrong? Is there a different list for On this Day mailings, and if so how do I subscribe? I do see that there is a way to create an account for managing subscriptions, and maybe with a login all the different lists are visible, but I would rather not create yet another online account just to subscribe to the list.

I know that there is also a way to report errors on the main page but I am not sure if this counts as an error.

RudolfRed (talk) 19:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I don't subscribe to the list but the archives at [3] show Article of the Day, Today's selected anniversaries, Wiktionary's word of the day and Wikiquote quote of the day together. I guess they are all part of the same mail and you cannot limit it to one of them. The list description at [4] fails to say this. It cannot be edited here at the English Wikipedia. There is an address to contact the list owners. I would make a test subscription and check the mail before considering that. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that info, I will subscribe and check it out. RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Futility (poem)

Good evening, could someone rename the page "Futility (poem)"? The title should be italicised, because it contains the name of a bookpoem. The part in brackets should not be italicised. JackkBrown (talk) 19:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: MOS:MINORWORK says to use quotation marks for short poems. Wikipedia:Article titles#Do not enclose titles in quotes says to not use it in article titles. The title is fine as it is. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

No. "Futility" is a short poem; see MOS:QUOTETITLE.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) JackkBrown, it is not a book. It is a short poem. The title should not be in italics. It should be in quotation marks in the lead sentence. Please see MOS:NOITALIC and many examples in Category:English-language poems. Cullen328 (talk) 20:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The post originally said "contains the name of a book" but changed it to poem [5] while we were writing replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: Your change to the original post not have been done in that way. I've done it properly. Bazza (talk) 20:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: If it was a book, you could add {{italic title}} to the top of the article, which would display the title as Futility (poem). For more complicated italicization, you could use {{DISPLAYTITLE}}. GoingBatty (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)