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September 15

Criar artigo

Como criar artigo 45.174.81.158 (talk) 01:11, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

hi ip user! this is the English-language Wikipedia. if you want to write Portugese articles, you may ask around at the Portugese Wikipedia's help desk. happy editing!

(traduzido através do Google Translate) oi usuário ip! esta é a Wikipédia em inglês. se quiseres escrever artigos em português, podes perguntar na help desk da Wikipedia portuguesa. feliz edição! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Number disambiguation

I came across a number or disambiguation pages for numbers tagged {{dab}} instead of {{Numberdis}}. Is there someone I can request to have her/his script change the {{dab}} on these pages to {{numberdis}} instead. What about a bot? Iterresise (talk) 02:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Iterresise: Hi there! Do you have a list of those pages that you could share? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a list but I have this and this and have more examples if you need. Iterresise (talk) 03:19, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I'd expect it would be all pages in Category:Disambiguation pages whose titles match /^[0-9]+$/, or maybe /^[1-9][0-9]*$/ so as to exclude 0151, 081, and 018. There's 56 of the former.

Anyway, it sounds like you were looking for WP:BOTREQ, but with this few pages needing to be edited - at least, I think it's this few; I'd've thought there'd be some named like 213 (number), but there's no pages matching /^[0-9]+ \(.*/ in the cat - it'd be just as fast to edit the pages manually. List of pages. —Cryptic 03:35, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Iterresise: I used AWB to update 0.01 and 0.99 and the pages in the category whose title matches /^[1-9][0-9]*$/ GoingBatty (talk) 03:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cryptic, @GoingBatty: This is quite advanced coding so have you considered 6 (disambiguation) and other similar pages? I won't ask you to explain it unless you want to. Iterresise (talk) 09:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

That's what the /^[0-9]+ \(.*/ pattern I mentioned above was meant to find. In human-readable terms, it means a title that starts with one or more digits, then a space, then an open-parenthesis. 6 (disambiguation) would be matched by that pattern, and so would 213 (number). Except, er, since it was late and I was tired, I'd forgotten that page titles use underscores instead of spaces in the database. Updated list of pages. Note in particular the false positive 177 (ship).

I've also checked for pages matching the (correct) regex in Category:All disambiguation pages but not Category:Lists of ambiguous numbers - that is, pages with a number-like title, and with any disambiguation template other than {{numberdis}}. It found only Wikipedia:2 (disambiguation), Wikipedia:1000, and Wikipedia:10000, all of which are correctly templated. —Cryptic 13:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cryptic & @Iterresise: I changed the dab template on all the pages on the "Updated list of pages" except 177 (ship). GoingBatty (talk) 14:05, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

That was pleasantly quick! With regard to [1], you changed {{disambiguation|number}} to {{number disambiguation}}. There as been no effect, though, since both {{disambiguation|number}} and {{number disambiguation}} populates Category:Lists of ambiguous numbers. My next question is whether {{number disambiguation}} should be deleted in favor of {{disambiguation|number}}.

Another question of mine is with regard to [2]: Could AWB be modified to detect strings "may also refer to" at least for me? My intent is to change it to "may refer to" and to move the top line into a bulleted entry. Iterresise (talk) 05:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Not quite no effect. {{disambiguation|number}} categorizes in both Category:Disambiguation pages and Category:Lists of ambiguous numbers, {{number disambiguation}} only in the latter. They also display slightly differently ("...associated with the title 343." vs. "associated with the same number."). But yes, they should probably be reconciled one way or the other. —Cryptic 03:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Iterresise: If your request is for a list of articles in Category:Lists of ambiguous numbers with the words "may also refer to", then yes, I can get AWB to generate such a list. However, it's faster to just use this search. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:32, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

User specifically targeting my edits

Hello. I recently edited somebody's contribution to an article and they seem to have taken offence. They've left an authoritive message on my talk page even though they're not an admin or somebody who holds authority on Wikipedia, and have gone on a long string of edits to my contributions leaving derogatory language in the reasons for most of them. They're clearly annoyed that I made the justified edit to their work. How can I seek some help with this? Griseo veritas (talk) 07:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Griseo veritas, on the Talk Page comment: they're using an extension called WP:TWINKLE that can automatically add a large variety of template messages to user's Talk Pages. Any autoconfirmed user on Wikipedia can use it, you don't have to be an administrator. From my point of view: the user thought that perhaps you had a paid editing conflict, so left the General Note template (the lowest warning you can get), and you clarified that you aren't paid editing so there isn't an issue.

I had a look at the user's contributions and I can't see any derogatory language in the edit summaries unless I am missing something? Let's assume WP:GOODFAITH. Qcne (talk) 07:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Qcne, thank you very much for the quick response. 'Derogatory' may not have been the right word, but they are clearly trying to snipe at my contributions calling edits 'peacocky' and 'clumsy'. Much as I would love to assume good faith, some of their edits amount to little more than vandalism. They've cut out large swathes of content from one of my contributed pages without any reason given at all, and this has all stemmed from making a single reasoned edit against their work. Do you understand what I mean when I say this seems retaliatory? Griseo veritas (talk) 07:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Griseo veritas. Please read WP:Vandalism carefully. Vandalism has a very specific and narrow definition on Wikipedia. Specifically, vandalism is editing (or other behavior) deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose, which is to create a free encyclopedia. There is no evidence that the other editor is a vandal, so please be aware that a false accusation of vandalism is a form of harassment, so please be precise with your wording. The other editor placed a maintenance tag on Head (company), which you had edited with a summary Changed tone of some language to have less of a marketing flair. The other editor tagged the article as an ad, and you reverted, saying Huge international brand - definitely not written like an advert in your edit summary. But you were editing the "History" section, and the first three paragraphs of that section are entirely unreferenced, violating the core content policies of Verifiability and No original research. Later in that same section, we have this gem: Head also licenses its brand to makers of clothing apparel (including shoes), accessories, bicycles, skates, watches, balls, fitness Equipment and drinks, referenced to the company website. That's followed by an entirely unreferenced list of company products. Wikipedia should not host unreferenced product lists. That all looks like advertising content to me. As stated above, I recommend that you Assume good faith of other editors, unless you have compelling evidence to the contrary. Cullen328 (talk) 08:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I feel that compelling evidence has become apparent in the most recent addition to the user’s talk page. The same actions for the same reasons. This is what I meant by ‘retaliatory’. Griseo veritas (talk) 16:46, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel this way mate. I thought we were friends now? You reverted my edit three times so I conceded the edit war to you and went and did some off-wiki stuff instead. I even tried that meditation thing you were talking about. Thanks my new little Wiki-Buddy ;-)Expressive101 (talk) 19:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

What were Albert Einstein's major contributions to science?

I want to learn about this topic and need some serious and valid answers on this topic . Baloshie Khan (talk) 09:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Please see our article Albert Einstein. This help desk is specifically for questions regarding using and editing Wikipedia. Qcne (talk) 09:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Problem: “Dalmatia”

Main article is missing, clicking on link shows Israeli flag. 98.10.104.18 (talk) 10:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Fixed

98.10.104.18 (talk) 10:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia

still misdirects

98.10.104.18 (talk) 10:12, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Latin/English link misdirected too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia

98.10.104.18 (talk) 10:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I see that Dalmatia is an article, not a redirect. Could you please provide more details on the problem you're having? GoingBatty (talk) 14:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Website error?

When I type in Cyrillic and click on the link for the script. I see a full screen display of the flag of Israel and cannot view the page requested. 47.34.223.44 (talk) 10:11, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there seems to be a technical problem with the IPA template; there is a flood of messages about this right now, I'm sure it will be addressed. 331dot (talk) 10:12, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. 47.34.223.44 (talk) 10:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

why is spain and some other countries blacked out

went to look up spain and couldn't find anything, the page was all black 2601:346:4301:D970:7C02:1DA7:19AB:7822 (talk) 10:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Please see the other messages about this problem on this page. 331dot (talk) 10:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Why do I see blank/black pages when I click certain links?

Hello, I am not an editor for Wikipedia (yet), but while browsing an article that linked to the wiki page for Dalai Lama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama , I noticed that the page is black. Is this a browser-specific issue? I was using Firefox. I am able to view other articles as usual.

Thanks for your reply! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.113.47.254 (talk) 10:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

A template used on many articles was vandalized. The vandalism has been removed, you may need to clear your browser cache and reload the relevant article. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response! 195.113.47.254 (talk) 10:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Upload of public domain image

Hi Folks!! It's been a while since i've done this. I have an editor who want to upload a public domain image for the Cameron Prize for Therapeutics of the University of Edinburgh. Would the editor need to ask the person to contact the OTRS to prove it was public domain? scope_creep^Talk 12:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

scope creep, this sounds like a question for Commons:Commons:Help desk, but they would probably want more details. I would guess that if the image was copyright, the copyright holder would have to contact Commons OTRS, now Commons VRT to release it as public domain, but if it was already PD, then it could be uploaded to Commons with an explanation of why it was PD. TSventon (talk) 15:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@TSventon: I thought it was something like. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 15:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Is there an equivalent to the WikiProject banner shell for merge templates?

Talk:Glossary of video game terms has four old merge templates on it (three of which are the AfD merge templates, which are slightly larger than the normal old merge), and I was wondering if there was any way to collapse them together like the WikiProject banner shell template does for WikiProject templates. Thanks! QuietCicada (talk) 14:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@QuietCicada: Hi there! Try using {{Article history}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

venice commission page outdated

please consult our webpage ASAP https:// www.venice.coe.int Venice Commission :: Council of Europe (coe.int) to update Wikipedia page which is outdated! Or advise on how I can do it. Tatiana 193.164.229.102 (talk) 16:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Tatiana. You should make a formal Edit request at Talk:Venice Commission. Disclose your Conflict of interest, and be very specific about the changes you propose. Provide links to reliable sources that verify the changes. Cullen328 (talk) 17:26, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from User:Dylankliers

How do I protect a famous person's wikipedia from constant unwarranted edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylankliers (talk • contribs)

Hi Dylankliers, if you have a conflict of interest when it comes to the subject of an article, you are very strongly discouraged from writing about them. Wikipedia attempts to maintain a neutral point of view.

Since you have indicated that you are being paid to write on someone's behalf, you must disclose your relationship, and are encouraged to request that your edits are made by a different, uninvolved editor, rather than edit directly.

In most cases, anyone can edit on Wikipedia, and pages are only protected to prevent vandalism, edit warring and the like. If something needs to be changed, please give the pages I've linked a read first, then submit an edit request. WindTempos ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Short answer, you don't. You can request protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if there are e.g. recurring issues with vandalism etc, but we don't apply such protection without good reason, and the article subject being 'famous' isn't one of them. Note also that it isn't their article, it is ours, and it is entirely possible that it may contain content they don't like, if it is properly sourced, and appropriate. If there are specific issues with an article, raise them on the article talk page, or if it is serious enough to merit it, at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:01, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

i added a new input into an existing page and it doesnt show online and also made a new page

hello,

i made an edit to an existing page and added it which is a historic fact of a pasha of egypt, and also made a new page for him and published but it did not show online, maybe i am doing it all wrong, would you please guide me Fouad thabet (talk) 18:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fouad thabet are you talking about User:Fouad_thabet/Sample_page? This has not been published to Wikipedia, it exists as a sub-page of your User Page.

In any case, it is a totally inappropriate article for Wikipedia as it only serves to promote Salah Moenis and has zero sources. Please very carefully read WP:VERIFY, WP:NPOV, and WP:NPEOPLE. Qcne (talk) 20:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)