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Andy Reid (footballer)

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I've listed this article for peer review because I want some comments on making it the best article it can be.

Thanks,  Sunderland06  17:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Daemonic Kangaroo

A few initial observations:

1. Removed I normally try to avoid having the place of birth in the lead - does not the MoS suggest that this should be stated later on.

2. 2008 There is an inconsistency between the dates in the lead with the rest of the article. Did he join Sunderland in 2007 or 2008?

3. Done The dates in the Sunderland paragrpah need wikilinking - also I don't like dates such as "31st".

4. Expanded about transfer request The Nottingham Forest section is very brief. Five years of his life summed up in two lines. Surely there must be more that can be said.

5. Expanded about goals Likewise, the Charlton section is rather brief. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Mattythewhite (talk · contribs)

• Changed "...Nottingham Forest,[1] in the Nottingham Forest..." - repetition doesn't read well.
• Removed "..including several spectacular efforts including an..." - needs referencing
• Done "...25 goals in 160 appearances..." - his appearance and goals data would probably be better suited to the end of the Forest section.
• Couldn't find a citation, removed it "...However, despite Dawson becoming..." - needs referencing.
• Removed ..."on the 16..." - no need for "the".
• Re-worded "...He opened his account..." - I'd avoid using wording like this.
• Couldn't find, removed "Reid was named Charlton's captain..." - when was he named captain.
• Done "...against Norwich..." - use full club name.
• Done "on 18 September 2007 both being..." - need a comma between "both being".
• Done "Reid joined Sunderland in a..." - maybe mention Sunderland are in the Premier League, making it clear that he went up a division?
• Done ...against Wigan Athletic coming..." - comma between "Athletic coming".
• Reworded "...and making an immediate impact..." - I thought this was about the same game at first, needs clarifying.

In a good state, but mostly problems dealing with the grammar. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 12:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Thehelpfulone (talk · contribs)

[I removed the semi automated peer review (SAPR) per the instructions, and as it broke the transclusion of the review and the SAPR is already linked above Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)] Thanks, The Helpful One ^(Review) 10:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Dweller

I assume you're looking to get this to FA or GA quality. These comments are with that in mind. Bear in mind that I think it's a good bit of work and you've clearly put in a lot of effort.

• Lead looks a little lightweight to me. Consider upping to two parags
• Personal life section boils down to his youth and 'is he a fatty?'. What are his interests? Is he single? What do we know about the rest of his family? Why did he turn down those big clubs? (that seems to be in the next section, but why are they not in the same section, whichever that is) When did he move to England? These kind of things would be useful additions.
• Youth clubs unreferenced
• Photos would be good
• A statistical summary table is always a useful addition - the infobox can be augmented.
• This comment will be difficult to address - the prose reads like a list of bulletpoints. There's no flow and it comes across (sorry) as quite dull. The same information, better linked, could make much more compelling reading. Perhaps you need to take a bit of a step back and add more contextual information (why are you including fact x? what made it noteworthy?) that's less specifically about Reid. Have a stab at that and then try to find a copyeditor to help polish for you.

Hope that's helpful and not too irritating. Cheers. --Dweller (talk) 10:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)