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August 25[edit]

Revision control for OS[edit]

Are there any revision control systems aimed at (or directly integrated into) operating systems which would allow to keep track of modifications to the configuration of the OS? I understand that I could manually add configuration files to any revision control system, just wondering whether this has already been done. I'd be particularly interested in (debian) linux, but out of curiosity also interested in any other OS. bamse (talk) 08:40, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite change control, but there are Versioning file systems, which keep track of every change, and filesystems like ZFS, btrfs, and Vertitas which support snapshots. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 14:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not designed for the purpose, but could Subversion be suitable for the task (at least for keeping track of changes in /etc)? I know some people use Subversion as a backup tool and change control system for their /home directory (see for instance this thread). AFAIK, Subversion does a decent job with binary files, too [1]. This is just a thought, I haven't used Subversion for these purposes, and there may be downsides that I'm not aware of. --NorwegianBlue^talk 11:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MSIL on Wine[edit]

As far as I know, C# is compiled to MSIL, which needs the .NET framework to run on MS Windows, and Mono on Linux. So, how is it possible that AWB runs on Wine, provided that Mono is not installed? Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Mono_and_Wine --151.75.107.190 (talk) 14:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Mono and Wine#Wine says that, to run it in Wine, winetricks has to download and install the .NET2 runtime from Microsoft. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 14:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you. --151.75.107.190 (talk) 14:37, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

S.M.A.R.T. Warning message[edit]

I noticed a warning message in the disk utility of my Linux server recently. See screenshot. Is this an indication that I should replace the disk, or is it a more benign warning message? Thanks, --NorwegianBlue^talk 15:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I would certainly want to have everything on that disk backed up properly. If the disk is mission-critical (that is, if you'd suffer significantly from the downtime associated with replacing it and restoring that backup) then I'd replace it now. If not, you may wish to risk keeping using the disk. That number should certainly be zero, but its being nonzero isn't evidence enough to assume impending failure. If the number increases, that's likely evidence the disk is dirty, scratched, or contaminated, and I'd replace it then. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 15:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the meaning of those four numbers at the bottom:

"Normalized": A manufacturer-defined measure of healthiness where 100 (sometimes 200) is normal and smaller values are worse.
"Worst": The lowest normalized value this parameter has ever had on this drive.
"Threshold": The normalized value at which the drive should probably be replaced (according to the manufacturer).
"Value": More detailed information; in this case, the actual count of reallocated sectors.

So according to the scale set by the drive manufacturer, 5 reallocated sectors is nothing to worry about. -- BenRG (talk) 20:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There was a Google study a while back showing that SMART-reported errors of any sort were highly correlated with impending drive failure. If it were my drive I'd take it out of service immediately, rather than backing it up and waiting for it to fail. 69.228.170.132 (talk) 02:25, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an error. The health parameter is at 100%. I don't know why this particular SMART monitor treats any nonzero raw value for this parameter as worthy of a message at all. Most wouldn't. There's a green circle next to the message, which I suppose is meant to mean that it's purely informational. -- BenRG (talk) 04:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks everyone! I experienced a similar situation with the same computer a year ago. It then had three disks, which all were new. When I returned from summer holidays, all three disks had SMART-reported error messages similar to the one showed here. I then replaced all three disks. Given the time of year that these problems have occurred, I wonder if it may have been caused by transients on the power grid during thunderstorms. All the circles were green then, too. The message next to the circle when absolutely everything is ok, is "Disk is healthy". I also noticed now, that there is a mouseover message associated with the Reallocated Sector Count warning, that says:

Type: Failure is a sign of imminent failure (Pre-Fail).

Updates: Every time data is collected (Online)

Raw: 0x050000000000

I'm not really sure what to make of that information, i.e. if it is saying that there actually is a failure condition now, or if it is saying what the interpretation would be if there were a failure condition. To be on the safe side, my immediate action will be to switch the roles of the two 1.5 TB disks on the system (the problem disk holds the /home partition, the other 1.5 TB disk mirrors /home, rsynced every night). --NorwegianBlue^talk 10:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's saying what the interpretation would be if there were a failure condition (i.e., if the normalized value dropped below 36). This interpretation is also chosen by the drive manufacturer. There's some information here.

I'm kind of depressed that Google's data is convincing people to send perfectly good drives to the dump out of fear of random failure (most of their drives with a few reallocation events didn't fail). But I guess it's cheaper than RAID mirroring if downtime is expensive but not too expensive. -- BenRG (talk) 20:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From the Google study "Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population": "As with scan errors, the presence of reallocations seems to have a consistent impact on AFR for all age groups (Figure 7), even if slightly less pronounced. Drives with one or more reallocations do fail more often than those with none. The average impact on AFR appears to be between a factor of 3-6x." AFR is Annualised Failure Rate. So it does appear that this is indicating a higher than normal liklihood of disk failure. --Phil Holmes (talk) 10:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Googling your quote, I found the study here. --NorwegianBlue^talk 10:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some of those graphs are unreadable. A readable PDF version is here. -- BenRG (talk) 20:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thanks! --NorwegianBlue^talk 21:20, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Programming for mobile/embedded devices[edit]

How would one compile a program for a mobile/embedded device? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YoungAspie (talk • contribs) 17:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You would compile it like any other program, except that the target output would be for a different CPU. See Cross compiler RudolfRed (talk) 17:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then how would one transfer the compiled code to the embedded device? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YoungAspie (talk • contribs) 17:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the device. The iPhone for example is updated over USB. Other devices might use serial port or JTAG. RudolfRed (talk) 20:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When my job was programming embedded devices (1981–4), we used a "burner" to program a read-only memory chip. I imagine that times have changed. —Tamfang (talk) 00:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are many standard methods to communicate to an embedded device. You are undoubtedly familiar with the USB protocol; many modern devices have hardware support for USB, so you can program and debug using USB. Another common standard is JTAG, which specifies certain low-level communication methods and defines a hardware interface. JTAG is supported on many embedded devices, even when USB is not. Other embedded computers use less common protocols; or they use customized technology created by the manufacturer or designer.

To run a program on an embedded device, you can either boot directly to the program; or you can run a (simple) operating system on the device. To boot directly, your program must know intricate details of the hardware, and manage the low-level device bring-up. For this reason, many embedded systems come with a ready-to-use operating system. The operating system will specify how to load and run external programs. Many new systems use full-fledged file systems that are compatible with desktop computers. Often, an embedded computer can attach an SD card and treat it as a "hard disk" with a standard file system; the embedded operating system loads the program file and executes its main function. Other embedded devices can be programmed over JTAG, and the program may reside in RAM only until the next reboot; or can be stored to a nonvolatile memory. Nimur (talk) 17:39, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Legality of redistributing software available for free download[edit]

What is the legality of redistributing software that's available for free download, without permission from the copyright holder? Specifically, several companies make available software programs as a large (>2 GB) DVD images for free download. I would like to republish the ISOs on my web site as BitTorrent links, to help those with unstable Internet connections or unstable computers. I understand that copyright prohibits copying and redistribution, but does it make a difference that the copyright holder is not trying to copy-restrict the ISOs themselves, instead requiring an activation key to use the software? 63.152.89.215 (talk) 21:01, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to be asking for legal advice. We do not answer such questions. Sorry. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Though the general answer is pretty straightforward, and is not legal advice. --Mr.98 (talk) 23:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Check the license distributed with the software. It will tell you whether redistribution is allowed. Just because something is provided for no charge (gratis) does not mean it is free for you to redistribute — it does not mean that copyright does not apply, it does not mean that your own redistribution of it would not be a copyright violation. --Mr.98 (talk) 23:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]