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Stage names/Pen names/Aliases?

Hello there. I was wondering what your protocol is for a stage name as opposed to using my real name. I have all my art, music and poetry copyrighted as Aralia Fresia and yet that name was rejected as a Wikipedia page. Thank you. Looking forward to hearing back from you about this. 174.30.11.118 (talk) 06:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Aralia Fresia and welcome to the Teahouse.

I didn't catch your attempt at creating a page, but the name itself does not seem to be a reason for declining a draft. We have policies, starting with WP:NICKNAME, that cover how we deal with the various names or aliases a person may have or use over the course of their life and career. When you created a page about yourself, you are engaged in what we call conflict-of-interest editing, for which there are also recommendations. You should also be aware of the issues of autobiographies on WP. The most common reason for declining these sorts of drafts is that the submission has not adequately demonstrated the notability in the particular sense that WP uses for that word via independent, reliable sources. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:09, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

The article was deleted and protected against re-creation. Your last edit summary there was Aralia Fresia will not go away until people acknowledge that she is the co-lyricist for Sting's song "I Can't Stop Thinking About You". I would say you need to forget about using Wikipedia to Right Great Wrongs™. Guy (Help!) 10:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
If you are Aralia Fresia and were the one who initially created the page, you were blocked from editing and by posting here are evading your block; you need to properly request to be unblocked per the instructions on your original user page, User talk:Aralia Fresia; but as has been said, you don't seem interested in building this encyclopedia so you should pursue your grievances elsewhere. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

<<<< re: To Whom This May Concern: Thank you for replying. You invited me to the "Teahouse" and I just have one more question if you don't mind. Why is it that no one seems to account for the fact that the reason why I can't provide you with the links you are asking for, is because you are either too insensitive to appreciate them, and because I desire to respect Sting's privacy. Only the people who deserve to know these things should be able to figure it out themselves, if they are curious enough. I can't tell you how much time I've spent hunting them down circumstantial evidence compiled with personal testimonies under the surface of this case. I know for a fact that Sting is shy and very emotional about this issue and its very difficult for him to talk about. Not only that, there are personal issues I have surrounding my name. I would appreciate a little bit more sensitivity in what you are actually dealing with. What would you do if it happened to you? If you wrote some lyrics and everyone said, "you are crazy, you didn't write them!" If you can't figure out how to google "Aralia Fresia" and care to find evidence of what I am EXPLICITLY stating is the problem, then maybe the cause is hopeless, but I must assert my right to discuss this matter. Furthermore, because of how rudely I have been treated here, why should I trust you with the evidence I do have? On a talk page, such as this one, its to DISCUSS things, that have been controversial understandably, but I feel there is very little respect in the dialogue I'm receiving. -- Lara Nicole Daskivich (Aralia Fresia) re: 331dot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.30.11.118 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

I took your suggestion and tried Google, but, for me, it brings up only webpages created by you. We want to treat you fairly, but Wikipedia is not the place for your campaign, and other editors are not being rude when they point out that we have rules that all editors should follow. Best wishes for your recognition campaign, but please don't use Wikipedia for it. We don't use personal testimonies and circumstantial evidence until they are reported in WP:Reliable sources. Dbfirs 13:26, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

I think this essay covers your question well: Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. Guy (Help!) 14:33, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Aside from the other sound advice you've received, Ms.Daskivich, I'm afraid you're falling into an all-too-prevalent fallacy seeping into this culture: that the definitions of "rude" or "disrespect" mean disagreement with your position or failure to do what you want people to do. Beyond that, there's a basic premise on Wikipedia that it is up to the editor who wants to include potentially controversial information to provide evidence to support it, not up to those who question or challenge it to demonstrate that it does or does not exist. No one will (or can) prevent you from being offended that you're being asked to proffer verifiable evidence to back up your assertions -- at least as long as you act within Wikipedia's civility bounds -- but without that evidence, nothing further can be done. Ravenswing 00:47, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

How to fix friend's page?

I added an image to my friend's page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Singh) and the page was flagged as an advertisement. How can I remove this? How should I properly cite the image? This is my first edit so I am very new to this. Thanks for the help! Stevenelleman (talk) 02:45, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Don't edit on behalf of friends. See WP:MEAT and WP:COI. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:47, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Stevenelleman. That article Atul Singh includes highly promotional language and the tag at the top should stay until the article is completely rewritten to comply with the neutral point of view. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Template problem...

Hello,

I'm using template:mem, specifically the faculty subtemplate, but there is a problem with the template not displaying correct information (see my sandbox work here). I don't know how to edit templates, and I'm not comfortable experimenting with it. Someone posted on Template talk:Mem about the problem 2 years ago, but it's still not answered. Help... Jmnbqb (talk) 03:18, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Jmnbqb and welcome to the Teahouse.

Thanks for bringing attention to this problem. There was a problem with the way the most recent change was made to the template (quite a while ago) and I've now fixed it. Because it's a template, you may have to purge your cache or wait a while for the fix to show up. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!! Jmnbqb (talk) 05:34, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

References

Can we use YouTube links for references ?? Noname479 (talk) 10:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Noname479. That depends on the publisher of the content. Someone uploading a video that they made at home isn't going to be a reliable source. A video produced by a news organisation such as CNN or the BBC is likely to be considered reliable in the same way that the rest of their content is, but please note that we can't link to copyright violations, so these videos can only be used if they have been uploaded by the official YouTube account of the organisation concerned. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:09, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Unreliable sources notifiation

Where do i find the coding for notification that the sources in an article are not suitable and that references to other article is not sufficient for citations?2605:E000:9143:7000:3832:5234:5BA4:7DB6 (talk) 11:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You may find something useful at Category:Citation and verifiability maintenance templates. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:03, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

See also the index at Wikipedia:Template messages. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:04, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Would an article on the Paul Molé Barber Shop (oldest barber shop in New York City) be suitable as a Wikipedia article?

I would like to write a Wikipedia article on the Paul Molé Barber Shop, the oldest barber shop in New York City, 104 years old. I find it to be interesting and historical, having been used by General Patton and John Steinbeck, etc and is still an active institution of the city. It is referenced and thoroughly described in news sources and publications over the last 100 years, and in TV features, etc. It seems to meet the guidelines of Wikipedia for noteworthiness, having been in existence for over 100 years and having a historic presence, and having been featured by quality publications as third-party references such as New York Magazine, The New Yorker, Channel 11, etc. I wanted to ask if this is likely to be approved as an article given that preliminary information, since it is noteworthy, but it is a business. My best analogy would be the existing Wikipedia page on the Macy's Department Store at Herald Square. Thank you very much.PaulDaniel777 (talk) 10:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi PaulDaniel777 and welcome to the Teahouse. You are confusing noteworthyness with the special meaning of WP:Notability in Wikipedia. The topic may well be notable in the Wikipedia sense but only if it has been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources. You need to find these first (as you imply above that you have already done), then summarise what they say, providing references for each statemant. See WP:Referencing for beginners on how to cite the sources. You might like to create a draft at Draft:Paul Molé Barber Shop where your text can be checked and reviewed before publication. Dbfirs 10:58, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks.PaulDaniel777 (talk) 11:13, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

You might also like to read WP:Your first article. Dbfirs 14:33, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

My India VS Pakistan article

I made a india vs pak cricket article and it got declined so what can I do to make sure it wont get declined?Mystery Bros (talk) 14:14, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mystery Bros. We already have an article about that subject at India–Pakistan cricket rivalry, so while sourced, neutral additions to that are welcome, a new article on the same topic won't be accepted. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:18, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Furthermore, if you continue to vandalise the existing article you will be blocked from editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Pages regarding the same topics

wondering if it is possible to have one page with combined information from both pages Astarte and Astaroth

I have posted extensive links in both articles' talk pages to show the link between the two, the name Astaroth is a mix of the name Astarte (a Goddess) and the Hebrew word for "shame" and was used in regards to the GODDESS before it was mentioned in the Book of Abramelin in 1458 as a MALE Demon.

Perhaps the Goetic demon's more current information could all go into a category along with the rest of the long History of the Goddess?

Any suggestions??? SnowWhite21 (talk) 04:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello SnowWhite21 and welcome to the Teahouse.

Given the state of the Astaroth page, other editors might entertain the idea of redirecting it to a subsection of the Astarte page where the common identity aspects could be detailed. That redirect discussion would begin on the talk page Talk:Astaroth. What you've currently posted there more resembles original research and synthesis than a proposal for a change to the encyclopedic content of the pages. You may want to tone down the fervor with which you are presenting these ideas. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:23, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

My knee-jerk reaction is "no". While The names may be related and this should be made clear in the articles per available reliable sources that discuss this, the two subjects are distinct enough to merit their own articles. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:51, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

One is an ancient Mesopotamian pagan goddess, the other is a figure from medieval Judeo-Christian demonology that is referred to using masculine pronouns. Merging the two makes about as much sense having God redirect to Odin, having Theology redirect to Zeus, or merging Ulysses and Ulysses. Yahweh and God in Judaism are separate articles, even though they're more closely related with a clearer line of transmission. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

can someone create a page for me?

looking for someone to start a page for me that i can then add to and edit . My name is Justin Scheman I was on season 27 of the amazing race ..thanks for the help 21:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustinClassic1 (talk • contribs)

@JustinClassic1: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read our policy on autobiographies at WP:AUTO.In short, it is highly discouraged for users to create or edit pages about themselves, as people naturally write favorably about themselves. Article subjects must be shown to be notable (please read WP:N) with independent reliable sources (WP:RS). I'm not certain that a reality show contestant would qualify, as there is likely not extensive in depth coverage of you that is independent of you. 331dot (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I know .. thats why i asked someone else to start/write one for me .... a simple good search for Justin Scheman or Justin and Diana will show thousands of results. I was on one of the most dominant teams in the history of the most awarded reality show on TV The Amazing Race. I also had my proposal video go viral and was on a few TV shows because of it like rachael ray and right this minute ....I was on MTV's "The Grind" for two years featured in over 50 music videos and been on morning radio for 15 years ... there are wiki pages for people with much less "accomplishments" JustinClassic1 (talk) 13:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@JustinClassic1: Please read WP:OSE; each article is judged on its own merits. If you see pages that do not meet the notability guidelines (WP:BIO) feel free to propose their deletion. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, inappropriate pages get through, sometimes for years.

Millions of Google hits would not necessarily equate to notability. Quality sources matter much more than quantity. The sources need to be independent and give in depth coverage of you. If you truly feel that you meet the notability guidelines, you can post to Requested Articles to request an article be written, but it is severely backlogged and it may be some time before it is written. 331dot (talk) 13:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

JustinClassic1 - I, of course, echo what 331dot said. That said, on a cursory search it does appear there are a number of quality WP:RS spanning a period of time; enough, anyway, for a short and concise article. The only thing to keep in mind is that nothing could be put in it that wasn't included in those sources so, depending on what appears on a closer examination, you might be setting yourself up for disappointment. The other thing to remember is that, once created, a WP article is pretty much forever. Finally, biographies include the good and the bad. I'm not sure if there's any "bad" out there but if there is (and if it's not something you want a centralized archive of), you may want to rethink this idea! If this all seems fine, though, please post to my Talk page and I'd be happy to try and provide some one-on-one assistance to see if something that met the AfC criteria could be put together. Chetsford (talk) 07:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

are one of you going to actually help me make the article? JustinClassic1 (talk) 13:15, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I, for one have, no interest, seeing as how you ask. Maybe other volunteer Teahouse hosts might like that kind of stuff. Were you a mollusc, an obscure vascular plant or an overlooked female scientist, I might have been motivated. Creating vanity pages aren't for me, I'm afraid. But you have had a very generous offer from Chetsford, so why are you still coming across so darned pushy? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:52, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Can Somebody help me to create a Wiki page for a celebrity?2405:204:D300:6BC4:C048:50FB:B6ED:9F2D (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

You've posted your question at the end of JustinClassic1's question. Is your question connected? If not, then please post new questions at the bottom of the page, and tell us who it is that you want to write about, or create a draft (such as Draft:person), remembering to base your draft on relible sources. If it is connected, then the answers above are appropriate. Dbfirs 20:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Comment - @Chetsford and Nick Moyes: I don't intend to be rude, but what is the probability that JustinClassic1 is actually the Justin Scheman he claims to be? -Darouet (talk) 17:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

He may or may not be (we're not exactly talking about someone claiming to be Brad Pitt here). Out of a preponderance of caution I'd always assume he wasn't and try to be careful to refer to him by his username rather than the name of the IRL person the account claimed to be controlled by. However, regardless of whether he was Justin Scheman or a 13 year-old girl in Novosibirsk, that shouldn't impact the construction of his BLP as it would have to meet the same standards either way. Chetsford (talk) 17:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

glitch in a page I edit

I found a glitch on a page with a double underline underneath a word. When I click this they take me to an advertisement page. What is going on??? Songuitar333 (talk) 06:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Songuitar333 and welcome to the Teahouse.

Unless you can provide a link to the page where you are seeing this phenomenon, we can't help. There used to be browser add-ins ("toolbars") that would add advertising links to content based on keywords but I thought modern browsers generally discouraged that kind of behavior. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Readers#Why do I see commercial ads at Wikipedia? We have five million articles and no way to check your example without knowing it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:03, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

See also this Help Desk thread: Wikipedia:Help desk#What's up with wikibuff? That is, http://www.wikibuff.info/ ? It looks like wikipedia but redirects to advertisements. . Might be that instead. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

There is also a known issue in Firefox where you can have a piece of adware effecting your browser that does that. If you use firefox, try uninstalling and reinstalling it. John from Idegon (talk) 17:32, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

writing an article and reference or citation

sir i want to write a history of school but that particular school history has been not published in national media or similar but school magazines have published the school history what i want to ask is how can i make reference or citation please clarify me thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:4000:BBFD:1F71:9174:A125:5D7D:CF6E (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid that you probably can't. Wikipedia articles must be based on reliably published information, and most of the information in an article must come from sources independent of the subject. School magazines might be usable for some information, but they will be primary sources, so what kind of information can be cited to them is limited. The bulk of the information in the article must come from independent reliable sources: if these do not exist, then no article is possible, I'm afraid. Please see Identifying reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Focusing on specific demographic

Is turning a demographics list into a statement more relevant to the school being discussed in an article a violation of NPOV, or can it be seen as better expressing the nature of the school? I have in mind this revert. Jzsj (talk) 21:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

The purpose of the Teahouse is not to settle content disputes. If you cannot work it out on the article's talk page, the suggested courses of action can be found at WP:DR. John from Idegon (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

How do I make a category a subcategory of another category?

I want to make [Category:Polynesian cuisine] a subcategory of [Category:Oceanian cuisine] The Verified Cactus 100% 22:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

If I’m not mistaken, you simply add it to the parent category the same way you would an article. You may want to consider using WP:HOTCAT as well. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:47, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Wow, that's a lot easier than I thought it'd be. Thanks! The Verified Cactus 100% 22:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

changing my username

How do I change my username? Is there any reason not to use my name? When I set up my username, I did not realize it would be available for all to see. I'd rather use my actual name for community purposes rather than something that is generally confidential. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmccullo63 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey Gmccullo63. Since you've only made three edits so far, the easiest thing to do would simply be to abandon the current account, and register a new account with the name you would prefer instead. GMG ^talk 16:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Changing username isn't terribly complicated, I think that first contribution is worth preserving. – Athaenara ✉ 23:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Learning Biography template-questions

In developing a biography I'm trying to use the {{biography}}template on my userpage so while I'm developing the article (many hours of work), it won't be deleted--then supposedly there is a way to move the content to a "real" page once everything is well developed. The sample biography appears correctly when I insert the template however, I cannot edit the sections in place. It appears I have to copy paste each section into the editing area and then reformat each section. This seems exceptionally inefficient and defeats the purpose of a template.

What am I missing? Am I expecting too much?

In a perfect world, I would like to copy paste a real-life previously published author biography into my namespace to replace all the content for the new biography I'm creating because some previously published articles already contain all the headings/format needed. However, I think I read someplace that copying existing content is not advised.

Any advice is much appreciated. Thank you!

ElephantEar (talk) 18:03, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for including the biography template in my original question, I shouldn't have included the brackets apparently and now I'm not able to edit the question to clean that up.

I've removed the transclusion of the template for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey ElephantEar. You can normally copy and paste to some extent within Wikipeidia so long as you provide attribution. You can often simply provide this in an edit summary. So you could leave an edit summary like

copying content from [[ARTICLE NAME]] in order to use formatting for development of a new draft, see the page history there for full attribution

and no one should really take much of an issue with it. When you're done, you can add {{AFC submission}} to the top of the draft to submit to our Articles for Creation Project, where it can be reviewed by an experienced editor who can offer feedback prior to publishing.

You may also want to consider reading through our tutorial on writing your first article or consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure, both of which can help explain a lot about how Wikipedia works. If you have more specific questions, this is exactly the right place to ask, and someone will usually reply shortly. GMG ^talk 18:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

One further suggestion, ElephantEar, there absolutely nothing to stop you copying a published biography onto a Word processor and working on it offline, and then pasting your version back into your draft article. Just be careful to avoid close paraphrasing, which is akin to copyright violation. So always use your own form of words. See WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:58, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

... and, for the benefit of any other new editors reading this page, the correct place to experiment is within an editor's own sandbox (as User:ElephantEar is already doing), not on a main userpage. Dbfirs 23:28, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Can Someone assist Me create a page for an Established organisation

Good day Everyone, Please can someone help me create a Page for the Extreme Fighting Championship...i have all the info... when i try it gets spammed as advertising... (Mrkeego (talk) 07:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mrkeego: That article has been deleted plenty of times and via several deletion discussions under several titles. I've protected the current one against recreation and will shortly protect the other titles as well. Given the extensive history of problems, it would be necessary to create the article as a draft and have it approved by articles for creation before it could be placed in mainspace. Additionally, as I remind everyone who has a G11 deletion, if you are being paid or compensated to edit about the subject, including if you're asked or expected to do so as part of employment, you're required to disclose that as outlined here before editing further on it. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

thank you for your reply...please can i email you the info and can you assist...i am not getting paid to publish, i'm merely just a fan...and would like the organisation in south africa to be apart of wikipedia.. (Mrkeego (talk) 08:04, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

No, please do not email me. I already told you what the next steps ought to be. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 08:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Keep in mind Mrkeego that not every established organization merits an article here. An organization must have in depth coverage in independent reliable sources that show how it meets WP:ORG, the notability guidelines for organizations. Please review those links to learn more. You may also wish to read Your First Article. Once you have done that, and if you think you can write a proper article, you should proceed as Seraphimblade suggests. 331dot (talk) 09:45, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Bluntly, what part of "no" don't you understand? When an article has been deleted this many times at this many titles, it's a lost cause. Guy (Help!) 23:58, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Article

Can anyone guide me to the Draft:Sanjay Kukreja, can it published now or what the changes I need to make on that ??? Noname479 (talk) 11:18, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, no. It is not written in a neutral tone and lacks sources to establish the importance of the subject. I am fairly confident that was the answer last time you asked. Guy (Help!) 11:47, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

As what Guy, said. Also, you might need a source to confirm that "The event with Shaan was one of the greatest events in India.". Chetsford (talk) 00:35, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit suggestions

I noticed that a page (coffee long black) has the incorrect information regarding the steps on how to much this drink. Can I suggest an edit for Wikipedia?

173.164.84.218 (talk) 23:53, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

You can do more than that, you can go ahead and make the edit yourself! Be sure to verify your changes with reliable sources. If you aren’t comfortable witht hat you may suggest the edit on the talk page of that article. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Even better, you can find some reliable sources which discuss long black: without them, the article is totally useless. Also, please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. If there is nothing more to say about this drink than how to make it, then it almost certainly does not merit a Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 00:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Question

Can i add a humor section on my userpage? Thegooduser talk 02:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: Yes, if it is Wikipedia related humor. See WP:UP for user page Dos and Don'ts. RudolfRed (talk) 02:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Can it be humor of what i do outside of Wikipedia?Thegooduser talk 02:22, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

question

Can i put humor on my userpage of what i do outside of wikipedia?Thegooduser talk 02:34, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: A small amount is probably OK. Read the guidance at the link I provided in your previous question. RudolfRed (talk) 03:46, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Creating a Wikipedia page for artist Ron Baird

I created this account to make an article for artist Ron Baird, a notable Canadian Sculptor. I am disclosing now that I am related to Ron Baird and understand the possible conflict of interest. A draft has been made in word already (which I can link if necessary), I am looking for advice on how to move forward with this project, and any steps I should take before I publish the first draft of the article (other than reading guidelines).

Thank you, Artscanada (talk) 22:21, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Usually, when one has a close connection to the subject it si considered best to use the articles for creation process, which will allow uninvolved users to evaluate whether or not the article is suitable before it is published in article space. You may also want to read Wikipedia:Your first article which details how to get started in article writing. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Artscanada. I agree with Beeblebrox, especially that you should use the Articles for Creation process. You should also read and study our policy requiring the neutral point of view in articles. A draft written in that style will have a much greater chance of acceptance, especially if the referencing is solid. Poorly referenced drafts are in trouble. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

No option to edit a page

Hi guys, I'm new at this and just finding my feet. I am looking to edit a small piece of wording on this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

But I cannot find any options to edit...Am I doing something wrong or is this page protected for some reason?

Thanks

DMoniker (talk) 11:32, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@DMoniker: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, the page is protected from editing by all users due to vandalism, although users that are autoconfirmed can edit it(if your account is 4 days old and has at least 10 edits). This is indicated by the padlock in the upper right corner. 331dot (talk) 11:34, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to Wikipedia. Yes, the little padlock in the top right-hand corner of the page links to Wikipedia:Protection policy#semi, which tells you how to request an edit. The log explains why it is semi-protected. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I DESCRIBE SUBMISSION OF PHOTOS.

HOW DO YOU SUBMIT PICTURES?MASTUHOSCG8845 (talk) 13:03, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@MASTUHOSCG8845: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't "yell"; using all caps is generally considered yelling and could be seen as rude on most websites. Regarding your question, instructions on submitting images can be found at WP:UPIMAGE. 331dot (talk) 13:05, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Why my artilce was not aproved

I wrote an article about my patent I did it exactly same way ( wording) another patent (different patent) article that was approved I gave all the facts and even included my patent form from the Untied States Patent Office Randy50.101.142.41 (talk) 13:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

The fact Wikipedia:Other stuff exists does not always imply your stuff also reaches a Wikipedia:Notability threshold. --CiaPan (talk) 13:43, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You don't link to the draft you created and it is not under the edit history of your IP address, so I presume you are logged out; please log back into your username or link to the draft. Without seeing it, and only based on what you say, your draft was likely declined because it did not indicate with independent reliable sources how whatever it is you got patented is notable as Wikipedia defines it. Wikipedia has no interest in what an article subject wishes to say about itself- or in this case, what the creator of something wishes to say about it. Wikipedia is only interested in what third parties write about a subject. You have what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest; please read about this at WP:COI and make the appropriate declarations. It is usually difficult for people with a COI to edit about their area of expertise objectively; you will need to write your draft based only on what independent sources state about it. This does not include the US Patent Office(which only confirms that the item was patented, not that it is notable) or anything source related to you. Not every patented thing merits a Wikipedia article.

Again, we can give you better help if you link to the draft in question. 331dot (talk) 13:47, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

accidentally submitted for review!

I apologize, but it seems I've submitted for review before I intended to do so. I pasted subst:submit with the brackets because I thought I was getting close, but when I did, it immediately submitted my article. My prior Wiki article did not do that. Instead, that got me a blue button to use when I was ready to submit. I just wanted to figure out how to change the working title to the correct one. Could someone pull back my article from review and point me in the right direction to learn how to change the title? Many thanks! Butch UnlikelySailor (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, UnlikelySailor. Removing the {{AFC submission}} template, as you did, is sufficient to remove the article from the review queue. What you might have wanted to do is {{subst:AFC draft}} instead of {{subst:submit}}. I've now done that for you, so you have a submit button when you are ready.

Don't worry overmuch about the title of the draft page. It's the job of the reviewer who accepts a draft to assign the correct title. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:05, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Which warning message?

For the Wikipedia page of Angelsberg, I would like to add a warning as the "History" doesn't document its actual past and origin and all (so it is not history according to me). What do I do?— Preceding unsigned comment added by RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk • contribs)

@RedBulbBlueBlood9911: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you wish to challenge the content you speak of, you could first post on the article talk page to explain your concerns(click "Talk" at the top of the article, then edit the following page normally). Personally I think the event you speak of would probably be more appropriate to put in the article about the road itself, if it warrants mentioning at all. If you want to be bold, you can remove the content yourself, but I would still comment on the article talk page to give your reasoning. 331dot (talk) 16:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey I want to know about the biographies

Hey, I've created a biography a few months back which has been deleted several times though I provided enough references (This is what I think) also there were no promotion or advertisement involved but still it deleted or nominated for speedy deletion. Can you please explain what went wrong in that? In past I've rarely created wikis only a few so not have much experience with biographies especially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scheheryar (talk • contribs) 16:46, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

This would appear to be rather a moot point as I see your account has just been blocked for WP:sockpuppetry, and the person (that at least one of your accounts appears to have been editing) has been created and deleted multiple times on the grounds of failing to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. These require 'in-depth' coverage, not passing mentions in newspapers etc. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:46, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

When I want to puplish my changes to a page the error http 404 shows up.

I wanted to shorten the references in an article I wrote and add a list with the literature. Now every time I want to publish the changes the error pops up. Please help me JANH.K. (talk) 19:31, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

You don't appear to have made any edits prior to this question. What account were you using, and to what article are you referring? --David Biddulph (talk) 19:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Do My References Pass Muster?

I just resubmitted my draft, Draft:Gilson (company), after removing what I think were all of the biased sources that caused it to be rejected in the first place. I'm not practiced enough to get a feel for what's an appropriate source or not. Do all of my sources now hit the mark?

Thank you, Cglife.bmarcus (talk) 19:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Cglife.bmarcus, the problem, now anyway, is not with bias but with establishing that the subject is notable. You will need several references to reliable independent sources with significant discussion of the subject. You have cited six sources, but

is to a directory entry, presumably based on content submitted by the company and so not independent.
is to an obituary of the company's founder, with only a brief mention of the company itself.
is to another copy of the same obituary.
is to a patent in the name of the company's founder, and so not independent.
is to an interview with the company's founder, and so not independent.
is like 4.

They may be appropriate sources for some purposes. But none of them helps to establish Gilson, Inc. as notable. Maproom (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Current business page is incorrect and not up to date - can i just correct the information?

I work for a company that has a wiki page that is very out of date Albion Ventures including basic stuff like the name of the company - is it ok for me to just edit the page with the correct information? I have been told that it is not possible to make your own corrections. Is it advisable to create a new page with the full correct information?31.221.46.66 (talk) 17:32, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Creating a new rival version of the page definitely won't work. The recommended method is to list your proposed changes on the article's talk page, preferably with references – like "the company chairman is no longer Bill Smith, it is Betty James, see <link to news report>". You could just edit the article directly, if you're sure you'll be doing nothing promotional or controversial. Maproom (talk) 17:46, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

If you work for the company, please read about conflict of interest and about paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

If this is about Albion Ventures, the article is a real mess. It's not clear what it's meant to be about – Albion Ventures, Albion Capital Group LLP, or "the wider Albion Group". It uses unacceptably promotional language. It uses a non-standard, and unacceptable, style of citation. Most of its sources no longer exist, and those that do exist are about statements made by employees of the company, and so not independent. As it stands, the article is a strong candidate for deletion. Maproom (talk) 17:57, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

See? Now you woke up the bear! David notMD (talk) 23:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Advice on "notability" of potential new page

I would like to write a Wikipedia page for Emergent Art Space,a international not-for-profit arts organization based in San Francisco, CA. EAS provides opportunities for young artists (ages 18-30) from around the world to exhibit their work, exchange ideas and develop cross-cultural understanding through the visual arts.

I could not find any other entries matching this description. Now I'm trying to figure out if it is considered "notable" . The Wikipedia instructions recommended I go to TeaHouse for information. Please advise.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8372:5ca0:e842:a0ab:5da4:dfc (talk)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The notability guidelines for organizations can be found at WP:ORG. In short, however, the organization will need to have had in depth coverage in independent reliable sources. In other words, Wikipedia is interested in what sources not associated with or written by this organization have to say about it. Press releases, interviews, and the organization's website would not be acceptable as sources. The article must do more than merely tell about the organization. You may wish to read Your First Article to learn what is being looked for. Please understand that successfully writing a Wikipedia article is actually one of the hardest things to do here. While it is good that this organization does good work, merely doing good work is not enough. 331dot (talk) 23:18, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Christopher Jon Luke Dowgin Page Deleted

Hello Teahouse, I just noticed a page I had created was deleted. I do understand that a certain structure needs to be followed, but is there in the guidelines a rule about not writing like "a goat set loose on a keyboard?"

The last complaint and the person who might of erased it had this to say with another of the editing space: "What on earth is all that about? is it me, or is it the ramblings of a nutter? -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 08:59, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Roxy the dog: Definately a wall. The only way I could type that much is if my goat were to climb over my keyboard! Appears to be written by one person. Needs some c/e. Jim1138 (talk) 09:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

You have a goat?-Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 09:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Roxy the dog: Yours? No goat, a few thousand hummingbirds however. Cheers! Jim1138 (talk) 09:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

cited from page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jim1138

Is this type of editing that happens at Wikipedia. This seems more like the work of an 16 year old kid hiding in his parents basement aspiring to be a troll.

Is there a way to get a page undeleted? I spent a lot of hours on this page, it was not perfect. I just have not had enough time to work on it again. Plus when there are just happy go lucky editors who just erase things on a whim, why bother? Salem North Man (talk) 16:44, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Im guessing this relates to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Jon Luke Dowgin, an AfD discussion where it was decided the subject was not notable. Although there were comments made there that were certainly less than productive, the consensus of all editors involved, including one of the most productive editors of all time, was that there were not sufficient sources, either on the article or available on the web, to show notability. So unless you have some published sources that are not easily findable on the internet, there is no point in continuing to work on this article. John from Idegon (talk) 02:17, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

amending entry on "Circumnavigation"

I wish to add Captain John Hunter to the short list of circumnavigations of the world in the eighteenth century. He left Sydney in the Sirius on 2 October 1788, travelled around Cape Horn to Capetown and arrived back in Sydney via the Southern and Pacific Oceans on 9 May 1789. This was the first circumnavigation starting and ending in Australia, which was settled by Europeans in January 1788. His published journal has the full detail. I have an account but have forgotten my password and can't find how to submit the material121.218.97.135 (talk) 02:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

If you don't have an email backup, then just create a new account. Is the article semiprotected? -A lad insane (Channel 2) 02:24, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

why is there no page for artix linux?

Welcome to the Teahouse, Talon bar. There is a draft article, Draft:Artix Linux, that was declined last November. The draft article needs more references to significant coverage of the topic in independent, reliable sources in order for it to be accepted in the encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Talon bar, just to be clear, you are welcome to work on improving the existing draft. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

And remember to sign your comments here and at articles' Talk pages with four ~. David notMD (talk) 11:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Why my name is not on the Wikipedia list?

I have played for Maharashtra cricket team, for 2 years but still my name is not on the Wikipedia list, but my other team mates have their name in the list, please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Raj8108 (talk • contribs) 10:27, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Raj8108:, tell us your name, and point us to some credible evidence that you have played for the team, and we will see whether you should be added to List of Maharashtra cricketers. Rojomoke (talk) 10:50, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Rojomoke: Based on the OP's contributions (e.g. Draft:Cricket) the name may be 'Raj Ravindra Jha'. --CiaPan (talk) 11:02, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, played top-tier cricket for Maharashtra at age 13, it says in that splendidly written draft, including a near-record innings of 299 in a Harris Shield match, quite remarkable. You'd think there'd be a mention of it in the press somewhere. The Mighty Glen (talk) 14:50, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Excessive moderation or non constructive editing?

Could you please leave your opinion on the situation?

Background

Domeikava is a village in the outskirs of Kaunas. I expanded its Lithuanian Wikipedia with information that it:

has Lithuania's only transport vehicle testing laboratory
had secret printing house which is now considered to be Lithuanian culture heritage
has 200+ companies with some details on largest employer, and prominent industries
has many cultural associations – dance groups, choirs, ensembles.
etc.

Every claim had legitimate sources.

Current situation

All my additions were removed and I received a block from @Homo ergaster: for "non constructive editing". I am even unable to access the talk page to discuss the [IMHO] unjust removals.

Is this excessive moderation or is this type of information really is inappropriate for Wikipedia?

Domeikavietis (talk) 15:16, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, Domeikavietis. Each Wikipedia is an entirely separate project, with its own policies and governance. Your question is not appropriate anywhere on the English Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I understand that, thank you ColinFine. Let's do some hypotheticals then – would this kind of information be appropriate for English Wikipedia? If there is a suspected bias and excessive deletion on Lithuanian Wikipedia, what would you advise me to do? Domeikavietis (talk) 15:33, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Domeikavietis. If properly referenced, some of this type of information may be appropriate on English Wikipedia, although excessive trivia is discouraged. We simply cannot give you any advice about resolving a dispute on a Wikipedia in another language. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

obama,s contributions to christianity

obama,s failures in the aspect of christianity during his tenure as president of america — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victorkul8 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"- I believe Christianity would fall under that category. But what is your question about editing Wikipedia? -A lad insane (Channel 2) 16:25, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Victorkul8. Wikipedia has a neutral point of view policy. Maybe Conservapedia is more for you. They have many attacks on Obama for allegedly being anti-Christian, pro-Muslim or Muslim. See http://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Hussein_Obama. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Number of in-line citations

Hello,

If you're using the same reference, how often do you cite the reference for in-line citations? I have several sentences that take specifics from a reference, but I don't want to clutter the page with the same in-line citation after every sentence.

Thanks, Jmnbqb (talk) 20:00, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Very good question, Jmnbqb. I am assuming that you already know that you can add a single citation, and then call it up to use again and again later on, and that you do this by using the 'ref name' field? If not, see more on this here.

In my opinion, if a paragraph contains fairly non-controversial content that's unlikely to get challenged, you can simply put the citation at the end of each paragraph. If you feel someone is likely to challenge specific statements within individual paragraphs, then you are probably justified in placing the reference after each sentence or factual assertion. But you don't want to do that throughout the article. Maybe another editor can point to specific guidance guidance on that - I'm not aware of any. But I would say that common sense should prevail, balancing readability with verifiability. If your citation is to a book, you can always add the page number after the citation using this: Template:Rp. Does any of this help towards answering your question? Feel free to link to a page you have in mind. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:18, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Yep that helps. I'll go with the convention of putting the references at the end of the paragraph. Thanks! Jmnbqb (talk) 20:47, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

If it is medicine related, or the paragraph is lengthy, editors like to see the reference every few sentences, if not every sentence. One reason is that subsequent editors may insert text with a reference, and then the text prior to to that insert is orphaned from its support. In instances where I deleted repeated uses of the same reference in a not-too-long paragraph, I was reverted. David notMD (talk) 20:55, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Rights accessing

How does one gain, for example, Autopatrolled or Rollback rights? L293D (✉) 00:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi L293D, welcome to the Teahouse. See Wikipedia:Requests for permissions. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you L293D (✉) 00:11, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Translation pages to English pages

Would it be acceptable to copy a page in another language, paste it into the English equivalent, and fix the translation errors, or would it be considered plagiarism unless it were paraphrased?--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 00:10, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello SkyGazer 512. Welcome to our friendly Teahouse. Your translation skills sound invaluable, and your help to translate notable topics from other language wikis would be very welcome indeed. However, it's important always to give attribution, and this is very easily done. More details here: WP:TFOLWP. The one thing I would suggest, however, is that you do any translation prior to going live on English wikipedia. If someone sees French or Arabic or Swahili in an article here, they might not be too impressed, and possibly flag it for deletion. So maybe work in your sandbox, of via Articles for Creation. I hope this assists. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of page AND accused of being sock puppet

Hello,

I've been retained to create a Wikipedia page--which I disclosed on my "talk" page--per Wikipedia guidelines. I thought disclosure would meet the guidelines--is that not the case? Also, I have just been accused of being a "sock puppet" for another person who is a chronic editor for hire, and I most certainly am not. I am not sure how to defend that.

Moreover, I'm flummoxed about why the page was taken down. It is not promotional: it describes the company and its products, and it adheres to the Wikipedia guidelines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)). It does not cite any self-promotional material and reflects notable third-party input from Gartner, Deloitte, Inc., the Wall Street Journal, and the like. It seems that the page is being punished because of the acts of the prior disreputable author, particularly when its peers in e-discovery and software aren't being removed from the site (e.g., Conduent, Recommind, Acquia (which includes some of the same links to Deloitte, for example, as the Zapproved article), Kentico, and the like).

My first foray into Wikipedia-land is certainly not turning out as I hoped! Any advice or help would be much appreciated.Kwalinsk (talk) 02:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwalinsk (talk • contribs) 01:49, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kwalinsk: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. While I can't view the deleted page (an administrator can) merely telling about a business is considered promotional on Wikipedia. You seem to be aware of the notability guidelines, you must show that this business meets the guidelines with independent reliable sources that have in depth coverage of the business(not interviews, press releases, basic announcements. or primary sources). You have dived right in to article creation, one of the most difficult things to successfully do here. You may want to read Your First Article to learn more.

Frankly you might want to give your client their money back as it will be difficult for you to simultaneously create a page they might want and that complies with Wikipedia guidelines. You cannot prevent others from editing it or lock it to the text you or your client might prefer. Having a Wikipedia article is not necessarily a good thing for any person or business, as any information, good and bad can be in it as long as it appears in an independent reliable source. 331dot (talk) 02:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Kwalinsk, I echo this statement. I am an admin, I have reviewed the deleted history and the multiple blocked accounts. Years ago I wrote this: User:JzG/And the band played on.... The same applies here, basically. Give them their money back. Also, your business model is unethical, but that's a side-issue. Guy (Help!) 13:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Guy, I don't know why you think a freelance writing business is unethical. I'm a lawyer, and I write all kinds of copy for all types of businesses, and I pride myself on my ethics. I disclosed my affiliation, as per Wikipedia policy. I'm trying to do the right thing here. I've written one iteration of this page (not the prior ones), and I'm not sure why I'm being maligned here.Kwalinsk (talk) 13:19, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Guy, and to clarify, I've never written a Wikipedia page before. I read all the rules carefully before I started writing this one. I think I adhered to them. I think the history of the page is causing an issue, and that seems a bit unfair.Kwalinsk (talk) 13:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a volunteer-run charity-funded project. You are looking to monetise Wikipedia's popularity and reach, capitalising on years of work by people who were not paid a dime. That's unethical. The fact that you admit never having contributed anything to Wikipedia voluntarily underscores this. Guy (Help!) 10:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Try reading the guidelines again. Maybe you missed something? CanadiaNinja (talk) 00:36, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

submitted a page for publishing, can't get a response

Did I do something wrong? I did this several days ago and no response yet.FinProfiles (talk) 00:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

FinProfiles - did you submit it to Articles for Creation? Due to a backlog of articles, a review can take up to two months to complete. If you can post a link to your AFC submission here, though, it could be checked to verify it was submitted correctly. Chetsford (talk) 01:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

FinProfiles - nevermind the above, I just found the article draft here: Draft:Loop™ Industries, Inc. Most likely your draft will be deleted in the next few hours as unambiguous advertising so I wouldn't worry too much about waiting for it to be approved for creation. You may want to read WP:NOTADVERTISING and WP:NCORP to see if it can be rewritten into something that is encyclopedic and then try resubmitting. Chetsford (talk) 01:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

@FinProfiles: There is also this, which looks similar to the draft User:FinProfiles/sandbox. If you are affiliated with Loop Industries and/or are being paid for your Wikipedia work, you must comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID disclosures. Remember that this is an encyclopedia, not a platform for promotion. RudolfRed (talk) 01:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)