Wikipedia talk:Ambassadors/Courses/Spring 2011/Regional Planning and Design (Bruce Sharky)

Discussion & feedback about student project images

Students: Here are a few things to remember regarding captions and sources.

• For your caption text, be clear. Remember you are writing for a layman audience.

• Also be concise. Your caption should be brief, 1-2 sentences, but explanatory.

• Revisit the article you plan to place the image in and write the caption to complement the article and your image. Your image should have relevance and add value to this article by increasing the reader's ability to understand the text.

• For sources, if ANY part of your graphic was taken from another place, you must source it.

• When citing a source, the more information you include, the better (author, title, date, etc.).

• If you lifted any portion of your image from a website, include the link as this is the best way to directly cite sources on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rburdette (talk • contribs) 21:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Xue Bai

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: River delta

Text for Image Caption:

Sources for image:

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The legend for this image is very confusing. Why would the legend not have the ages listed chronologically? How could you have a range from 1932 to 2020? Perhaps you should try showing the current coastline, and then show a predicted future coastline. You definitely can't include both the past coast line and future predicted coastline as the same color. One of your colors represents the coastline from 1978 - 1900? Should it be 1900 - 1978? If so, why would you have a separate color for 1930 and another from 1932 - 2020? It's almost impossible to read whether this coastline has grown or shrunk over the past 6,000 years, based on this image alone. This image should be completely redone or removed. The legend can't possibly be correct as is.

Xue, I think the dark line is a little weirdYuu126621 (talk) 21:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Xue, the diagram was really clear on paper, but maybe on the web it would be better to use colors instead of grey. Smcnab386 (talk) 21:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It is a nice work, Xue! I do not figure out the black line near the top of image. Maybe you forgot to clear the outline in illustrator.Sweetian (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember to write a short description explaining your diagram and list the references you used in researching for your topic and diagram.˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I'd recommend changing your legend to read in specific dates, rather than "Years ago." This will aid in the translation process as well. Example: 1700-1800 CE, 1800-1850 CE, etc. 130.39.0.200 (talk) 03:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

So everyone speak the black line. It represent the limit line of 6,000 years ago. I am not forgetting clear the outline...Xuebai1030 (talk) 22:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on the image: 1) the image would benefit from being in color 2) Don't forget to cite your sources (both for the processes and for the image source). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:22, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I am OK with leaving the black line but indicate the date of 6000 BC. Also, include a couple of sources where you got the information to make your map. I am also OK with the map being in black and white. it reads very clear. --Lasharky (talk) 22:53, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Devon Boutte

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Mississippi River Delta

Text for Image Caption:This timeline diagram illustrates coastal land change due to sedimentation and erosion in southeastern Louisiana

Sources for image:Times Picayune http://www.nola.com/speced/lastchance/multimedia/flash.ssf?flashlandloss1.swf

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This set of diagrams is very clean and clear. I think you could mark the name of some place, so that we can track the actual change of the coastal line.Yuu126621 (talk) 21:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It is very clear to see the progress. Yueguan (talk) 22:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The process is clear and continuous. You might try to change some color to see if there is deifference.Sweetian (talk) 22:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember to write a short description explaining your image and also list the references from researching your topic. Submit Monday or sooner. ˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• I would remove your images title from the image and place it onto the description page or into a caption. 130.39.0.200 (talk) 03:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
• It would be easier to view as a thumbnail if the years were larger. SmartSE (talk) 22:53, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
• Wouldn't removing the title would also involving removing the picture of the state with the "enlarged area" indicator? I agree with Smartse: bigger years is better, and some geographical marker (perhaps in the picture of the state) would be very helpful. Nice work. Drmies (talk) 16:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, make the years in a larger font. Another idea: place year in lower right corner of each diagram, then make the white space separating the various diagrams narrower to reduce image size and to better read as one image. I am quite okay with the colors you selected. Please add the sources you used in making your diagram. Also include short written statement about the image. Looks good to me. --Lasharky (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Lucas Frey

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Ecological succession

Text for Image Caption:
A depiction of forest succession over time.
This process is broken down into different stages and possible disturbances like: fire, human intervention, flooding and biological hazards are shown. These are able to slow down, stop or bring succession back to earlier stages.
Sources for image:
http://www.mainetreefoundation.org/forestfacts/How%20Old%20Is%20Our%20Forest.htm
http://www.dnr.state.mi.us/publications/pdfs/huntingwildlifehabitat/landowners_guide/species_mgmt/Woodcock.htm
http://mff.dsisd.net/Environment/Succession.htm

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• I am not a fan of the background behind your image, I believe it would be just as strong with a white background.Mpetty1 (talk) 21:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Sadly the rendering had the backround already and I could not get rid of it. At least we are on the same page. Thanks for the comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LucasMartinFrey (talk • contribs) 21:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
• They are nice which look like Chinese miniature gardens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetian (talk • contribs) 22:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
• If you render as a tif, save the alpha channel and you can remove the background from the imageDevonBoutte (talk) 17:15, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
• Sorry, but I don't really understand what the disturbances are doing--whether they are pointing at specific things, whether these are 'in between' the stages, or what. Besides that (and the background--me too) it's real nice. Thanks, Dr Aaij (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember to write a short description explaining your image and also list the references from researching your topic. Submit Monday or sooner. ˜˜˜˜

Yue Guan

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Atmosphere circulation

Text for Image Caption: Due to water having a higher specific heat capacity than land and thereby absorbs and releases more heat, but the temperature changes less than land. This effect is what brings the sea breeze, air cooled by the water, ashore in the day, and carries the land breeze, air cooled by contact with the ground, out to sea during the night.

Sources for image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_circulation

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Vear cute image!!!Sweetian (talk) 21:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I really like the graphics, but I am missing arrows showing the air movement in higher altitudes. That way the circular fashion of this wind system would become more clearly! LucasMartinFrey (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I have also noticed that :). Thank you Lucas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yueguan (talk • contribs) 21:32, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't forget to cite your sources you used to design/make your diagram. Also include short paragraph explaining the diagram.--Lasharky (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Kyle Jacobson

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Dead zone (ecology)

Text for Image Caption: Climate has a significant impact on the growth and decline of ecological dead zones. During Spring months, as rainfall increases, more nutrient rich water flows down the mouth of the Mississippi River. At the same time, as sunlight increases during the Spring, algal growth in the dead zones increases dramatically. In Fall months, tropical storms begin to enter the Gulf of Mexico and break up the dead zones and the cycle repeats again in the spring.

Sources for image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:La-Jolla-Red-Tide.780.jpg

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Kyle, the image is neat. Only the icon for storm is not read as well as the other two. Yuu126621 (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I love this set of diagrams. It is easy to get the point.Yueguan (talk) 22:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It is cute and coolSweetian (talk) 22:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember to write a short description explaining your image and also list the references from researching your topic. Submit Monday or sooner. ˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Are the contained images compatible with Wikipedia's Image Upload guidelines? If you have any questions post the source for the image and I'll take a look. Any image that contains non-free images within it is a candidate for deletion under Wikipedia's fair use guidelines. Learn more here.

The image would benefit from being in color. Also, a better caption is needed; what I see is that the "affect of climate on ecological dead zone" involve something white-ish encroaching and retreating from something black-ish, on the (presumably) water. The graph suggest to me that the white-ish is the dead zone. Don't forget to cite your sources (for the data and the images). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Although the image would look quite alright in color, I think it reads very well in black and white. Clear and direct as is, color might confuse the message. Don't forget to write a short description of your diagram and also include your sources.--Lasharky (talk) 22:59, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Yuting Jiang

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Wetlands of Louisiana

Text for Image Caption:

Sources for image:

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Nice orgnization,yutingIvylee13kg (talk) 22:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The images which show the process of eroding is valuable, and you always do a good job in graphic design!Sweetian (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I love this! Nice color and nice layout :) Yueguan (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Include arrows that point each of the human uses to its location on the aerial map. Remember to write a short description explaining your image and also list the references from researching your topic. Submit Monday or sooner.˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on the image: 1) What is the purpose of those photos? I am afraid they are not informative and could be confusing 2) I like the rest of the image, but it is also a bit confusing, and I'd suggest splitting it up into three separate images (unless an argument can be made that having everything on one is better). The three images would be: a) map on the top left and legend on the top right b) graph on the bottom plus second, lower legend on top left and 3) the series of satellite images in the middle row. 4) Don't forget to list sources for the image (both sources for the data, and sources for the images themselves). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:38, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't forget to include a brief description of your diagram and the reference you used to construct your diagram. Okay? --Lasharky (talk) 23:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Jia Li

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Fire ecology

Text for Image Caption:Fire impacts on plants including grassland, shrubland and forest overtime

Sources for image:USDA Forest Service http://www.nature.org/initiatives/fire/

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I love the simple color combine with black n' white. And it is easy to read. Yueguan (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The image is simple but clear like your style, nice!Sweetian (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember to write a short description explaining your image and also list the references from researching your topic. Submit Monday or sooner. ˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Comments: Considering that images are preominantly viewed as thumbnails, it would help if the legend was bigger and if you used colours instead of various black and white patterns IMO. It might be best not to use red and green too as I think that people who are colour blind find images with them more difficult to view. You can also get rid of the "fire ecology" since you'll explain this in your caption. The border is a bit big at the moment and could probably be about half what it is at the moment, making the graph bigger in the thumbnail. Similarly, the numbers on the x-axis could be larger. Another technical point, .tiff is a very messy large format, it would be better saved as an .svg as it is vector based. Finally, as a plant ecologist myself, it's a little bit simplistic, which isn't a problem, but just make sure you note in the caption where successions such as this occur. I also just noticed that the proportions end up different - is this deliberate? Sorry for the essay! SmartSE (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, make the type size larger in the legend. Also position the legend closer to the image to reduce the amount of white space. Increase type size for the title. Don't forget to include a brief description of your diagram and the reference you used to construct your diagram. Okay? --Lasharky (talk) 23:04, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

William Mcnab

File:Cloud Seeding Process2.jpg

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Cloud seeding

Caption for image: This image explaining cloud seeding shows the chemical either silver iodine or dry ice being dumped onto the cloud when then becomes a rain shower. The process shown in the upper right is what is happening in the cloud and the process of condensation to the materials.

Sources for image: http://www.fletcherboland.com/photos/mountains/11.php

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I like your background image. What's the mass on the right down side?

Lower Right? Rain. Upper right? process in the cloud.


I believe the image is a little too dark. Is there a way to lighten the image to gain more detail?Mpetty1 (talk) 21:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It's so cool!Xuebai1030 (talk) 21:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I can take a look at it. See if it looks better. Thanks Xue Smcnab386 (talk) 21:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The background is cool! Make sure zoom in the point what you want to express. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetian (talk • contribs) 22:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember to write a short description explaining your image and also list the references from researching your topic. Submit Monday or sooner.˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Try lightening up the line work that points from the circle to the clouds.˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

What is AGI? ˜˜˜˜ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.181.129.57 (talk) 02:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Silver Iodine, guess it would be better spelled out. Smcnab386 (talk) 20:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on the image: 1) What is the source for the plane? 2) Is such a plane used in cloud seeing? 3) Spell out AGI 4) Agi or Dry Ice are obscurred by the dots. Make the text larger or move it to a clear area 5) I assume that the image is set chronologically from left to right, with I. Plane seeding the cloud II Processes occurring in the cloud and III. Cloud raining. This is not very clear, I'd suggest addition of those three steps, spelled out roughly as I did so above, to the the image (I'll also add that it took me a few seconds to figure out that the drops on the right are rain). 6) The image may benefit from being in color. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Another editor posted this so I figured that I should explain it here. The image itself is great, except for the plane. Currently, it shows an A-10 Thunderbolt II seeding the clouds. You can even see what looks like bombs on the wing. This might imply to the casual observer who doesn't know much that the United States Air Force seeds clouds or that fighter planes are being used for something else. Then again, anyone who has no idea what the plane is probably won't question it but it is something that we should be aware of when we post it. I'm wondering if someone with photo editing skills could just put an image of a crop duster up there, but I am dead against having this image out there right now as it is misleading. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Additionally, you don't have to rename the image every time that you upload it. Under the file history, there is a link that says, "Upload a new version of this file". If you click on the link, it will allow you to upload a new image over the old one without having to do much else. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Have you got permission to use this guy's photo? I noticed that we already have this image in the article which does quite a good job of showing the plane etc. How about focussing more on the mechanism of how the chemicals form clouds (i.e. the top RH corner of the current image). SmartSE (talk) 23:07, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Consider the suggestions of other reviewers. I would move the lines pointing to where the chemical reaction takes place in the clouds and position the pointer closer to where the dry ice is entering the cloud area. Don't forget to include a brief description of your diagram and the reference you used to construct your diagram. Okay?--Lasharky (talk) 23:11, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Michael Petty

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Subsidence

Text for Image Caption:

Sources for image:

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Well done. I like your icon and use of vector graphics.ChaseWilliston (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It's very easy to understand.Xuebai1030 (talk) 21:32, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The sections are clear and cute!Ivylee13kg (talk) 22:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I like tne organization and icon, they are niceSweetian (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember to write a short description explaining your image and also list the references from researching your topic. Submit Monday or sooner.˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• This is really good! Unfortunately, it's hard to get anything from it in a thumbnail, though. One thing that would help would be dramatically reducing the blank padding around the edges. For the subsidence article, I think it might actually make more sense to break this apart into four separate images, one for each of the relevant sections.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 14:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Suggest you tighten up the text, that is position the headings closer to the icon...too much white space. Diagram would have more visual impact. Don't forget to include a brief description of your diagram and the reference you used to construct your diagram. Okay?--Lasharky (talk) 23:13, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

i have taken all your suggestions and updated the photo. I got permission to use the mountain image and i took the US air force logos off of the plane, however the US did do cloud seeding in the 60s and 70s mostly for trying to prevent hurricanes. **** — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smcnab386 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Peter Summerlin

File:11-3-25-water salinity.png

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Salinity

Text for Image Caption: Visual breakdown of water salinity levels by parts per thousand
Sources for image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salinity
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES (UCLA) MARINE SCIENCE CENTER "Density and Salinity"

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I especially enjoy the water bottle graphic. It was a good choice of a way to represent the topic!Mpetty1 (talk) 21:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I really like your creativity and excellent graphic deisign! Come on for next project!Sweetian (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember to write a short description explaining your image and also list the references from researching your topic. Submit Monday or sooner.˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasharky (talk • contribs) 22:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Question: where did you get the photographs which you used for the design of this image? If they aren't your own, what license were they originally released under? Sadads (talk) 22:10, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - this looks really good, but it would be clearer if the "brine water" etc. were in plain black text rather than the scratchy font used at the moment. Following on from Sadads, if the images you used aren't under a free licence, I'm sure we can find some similar images on commons that you could replace them with if necessary. SmartSE (talk) 22:25, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, make the font bold black and not the "scratchy" grey. Perhaps move the words closer to the bottle, to reduce white space. Don't forget to include a brief description of your diagram and make sure your references are complete, otherwise good diagram. Communicates the ideas clearly. Okay?--Lasharky (talk) 23:17, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. The bottle image is not my own but one I had saved some time back. I'm unaware of any license for this image so if anyone is aware of a similar bottle image through wiki-commons, I will replace it with that one. As for the text, I will replace it with a more crisp text and move that information closer to the rest of the image. Psummerlin (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC).

Hui Tian

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Saltwater intrusion

Text for Image Caption: Saltwater intrusion is the movement of saline water into freshwater aquifers which results into diversified habitats loss and land subsidence. Most often, it is caused by ground water pumping from coastal wells, artificial levee, or from construction of navigation channels or oil field canals. The channels and canals provide conduits for salt water to be brought into fresh water marshes. But salt water intrusion can also occur as the result of a natural process like a storm surge from a hurricane or sea-level rising up.

Sources for image: http://envision-studio.org http://www.treehugger.com/iraqi%20dam.jpg http://wilderside.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/bushd-again-new-orleans-mr-o-and-mr-go-by-greg-palast-via-dandelion-salad/ http://www.life.com/image/82064584 http://www.birminghamwatermainrepair.com/ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bBlNFyLU7Ik/TUmIojMRTZI/AAAAAAAABlk/gKljgOI1n5I/s1600/nycunderwater.jpg

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Nice color, and labels are clear. But is the perspective view a little bit off? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yueguan (talk • contribs) 22:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Comments: The image would be better saved as a .png rather than .jpeg as they are slightly more compact, actually, it looks like you drew this as vectors, in which case .svg is best. I don't understand what the graph on the right hand side is showing - I may be being stupid, but if you could explain what it is showing, hopefully it can be made clearer. Did you draw all the fish and birds yourself, or did they come from somewhere else? SmartSE (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Some good suggestions for you to consider have been made by others. Don't forget to include a brief description of your diagram and the reference you used to construct your diagram. Okay?--Lasharky (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, if you want to make sure your diagram is accepted you should respond to the questions written to you by others. Okay?--Lasharky (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Chase Williston

My image is intended to enhance this Wikipedia article: Human-wildlife conflict

Text for Image Caption: As human population extends from urban centers in the form of suburban sprawl, natural wildlife habitat is displaced. The population density of wildlife and humans overlaps increasing interaction thus resulting in increased conflict. Byproducts of human existence offer un-natural opportunity for wildlife in the form of food and shelter, resulting in increased nuisance and potentially destructive threat for humans.

Sources for image: google maps

Sources for information: http://is.cbr.tulane.edu http://www.e-pioneer.com/Animals/Impacts/index.html

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Chase, I like it! Especially the diagram in the middle.Ivylee13kg (talk) 22:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I like the black and white impact, very nice organization.Sweetian (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid that as a person not very familiar with the Human-wildlife conflict, I am not sure what this image is supposed to show. The first five images in both rows are the same. Then they change, but why? How do they relate to one another and the graph in the middle? This may be clear to an expert, but encyclopedic graphs should be helpful to entry levels readers, too. Mind you, my confusion could be reduced with a good caption. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:44, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Text for the caption would help non-experts to "read" and understand your diagram. Increase the font size of descriptors for the timeline. Include reference sources you used in developing your diagram. Okay?--Lasharky (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand the confusion. I have tried to represent several dimensions in a two dimensional diagram. I am working with time, growth, population, biodiversity, and conflict and I have arranged these aspects as logically as possible. Perhaps the amount of aspects represented is causing confusion? I have added a caption to clear up some confusion. Let me know what you think. -Chase ChaseWilliston (talk)

The links you gave for picture credit seem to be copyrighted material. Did you get permission to use the pictures and re-release them under CC BY? Cheers --Guerillero | My Talk 04:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. The sources that were placed were for the information from which my image was derived. This image posted on this site is composed of screen shots from google maps and data that I represented using Adobe Illustrator. ChaseWilliston (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC).

Google holds some form of copyright for all satlight images found on google maps/earth. Permission Guidelines for Google Maps and Google Earth. I think the USDA has public domaim photos that you may be able to use. (They want to be attributed so think of it as under CC BY) sorry for totaly ripping appart your image --Guerillero | My Talk 01:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)