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ACR to do list for July

  • Now only needs source and image reviews. Kges1901 (talk) 03:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

And that is our lot for now. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:53, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


Revista de Historia Militar (ISSN 0482-5748) published by the Ejército de Tierra de España

Hello,

So, this magazine/academic journal by the Ministerio de Defensa of the Kingdom of Spain has been published twice a year since 1957. I created its article (duly referenced to CSIC = the Spanish National Research Council), to Dialnet (an academic research network) of University of La Rioja, to the Real Colegio de Artillería, to the Ministry itself (ejercito.defensa.gob.es), and to a book, namely ISBN 978-84-617-2104-7, citing page 59.

Well, the English Wikipedia entry about Revista de Historia Militar has just now been draftified, four months later, and after others have contributed to it. I would appreciate it if you could have a gander at it, and, if you think it fair, push the big blue button "submit the draft for review!" if you deem it appropriate.

Note: a version of this article (in Spanish) exists at wikipedia in Spanish (I know we consider other wikipedias irrelevant, but it probably does not hurt to mention it).

Else, we can always delete it. Thanks! XavierItzm (talk) 05:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming Coordinator Election

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: Our current coordinator tranche is set to expire in 8 weeks, give or take. Given this, I feel its time we start discussing the upcoming coordinator elections, to determine how many we want, whether that number should include or exclude the Lead Coordinator, when the election should start, how long it should run, and what format we want to use. Thoughts, anyone? TomStar81 (Talk) 09:53, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I think the format we've used the last couple years has worked fine and would support keeping it generally the same as last year. Hog Farm Talk 16:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Agreed. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Thirded. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 18:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps hastily, I've gone ahead and created Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/September 2022, as well as the two subpages that get transcluded onto there (the tally and the status clock). Someone should probably check Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/September 2022/Status to make sure I didn't screw anything up, although it is currently working properly. I did boldly make one formatting change to the status clock, as IMO linking 2022 and the current date is not helpful. It's time to start considering re-running, as well as approaching any promising new potential candidates about running, since if we keep the timing the same nominations will begin in about a month. Hog Farm Talk 19:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: - courtesy ping since we're down to about two months out. Hog Farm Talk 19:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
@CPA-5, Hawkeye7, Indy beetle, Parsecboy, and Zawed: - Sorry to nag, but we're down to only a bit over a week. If there are going to be a large number of vacancies, then we'll need to reach out to more candidates. Hog Farm Talk 14:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder - I won't be standing again, as I've been busier in real life lately and I anticipate a new job within the next few weeks that will unfortunately cut further into my editing time. Parsecboy (talk) 12:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

With a couple coords not returning for the new year, I've been reaching out to some potential candidates, and I don't think it would hurt for others to do the same. Hog Farm Talk 00:21, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: - any objections to me sending the mass message about the nomination period opening out late on the 31st? Hog Farm Talk 04:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

No objection. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:57, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
No objection. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 05:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Without objection. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
No objection. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 09:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I went ahead and sent it out now (which should [hopefully] become obvious in a few minutes). I resisted the urge to begin the message with "Hey y'all", which is probably something my employer wants me to start leaving out of work emails as well. Hog Farm Talk 17:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the running on this, HF! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:18, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Two milestones achieved

Howdy everyone, we are currently at 100.4% of our 250 featured content goal and 102.8% of our 5,000 good article goal per main page; propose bumping milestone to 300 and 5,500/6,000? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: for good measure. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:35, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
I see no reason why we shouldn't bask in the sense of a mission completed for a while. I see no rush to set new targets - although obviously we will need to at some stage. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

ACR to-do list for August

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

ACR to-do list for September

  • And done. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 13:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

While the total review list is not overly long, I get the impression nominators are being deterred by the lack of reviewers. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

  • FYI: The author of Operation Bajrang has been indef blocked.--Catlemur (talk) 01:41, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
    • I've closed the nomination as unsuccessful, since it's been about two weeks since the nominator was indeffed. Hog Farm Talk 03:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

2022 Coordinator Election

{{@MILHIST}} - As it is past the end of the voting period, I've closed the 2022 co-ordinator election. The new term will start on 1 October; there will be enough of time to prepare for the new trench. Many thanks to the outgoing coordinators for their work during the past year and congratulations for the newcomers! Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, CPA! Once the two tranche officially starts, we'll need to update Category:WikiProject Military history coordinators, hand out the coordinator stars to the new coordinators, etc. I've been having migraines from staring at computer screens at work too much lately so I don't think I'll able to keep up with that. Hog Farm Talk 03:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Well done to all the newly elected (and returned) coords, and to Hawkeye for being elected lead coord. Thanks for putting your hands up to help keep the project running smoothly. Bravo Zulu. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
I've made some updates to the two tranche and coord lead. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:23, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves

We've got a new nomination for this project award; it requires a majority of all current coordinators to approve I believe. Hog Farm Talk 18:05, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

A-class medal bug

I feel kinda self-serving bringing this up, but I think something may have gone wrong with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/ACM/Eligibility tracking page. Doesn't seem to be showing my co-nom for CSS Missouri or then Fort Southerland at all. Not a big deal, but if something with co-nominating is throwing an error, we should probably be this sorted out for future co-nominations. Hog Farm Talk 17:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

It's not throwing an error, but assumes that all the nominators use the same format. This will be tricky to work around, so I'll have to think about it a bit. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Looks like I accidentally deleted Fort Southerland. Unfortunately, I can't add it back just yet, because it would be the third one, and would mess up the award processing. I'll re-add it next time you get an A-class article promoted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
@Hawkeye7: - I've had a third one pass (Helena), so it's reset and Fort Southerland should be good to add back. Hog Farm Talk 22:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
It is done. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Also has Georgejdorner listed twice with different articles. Is this something we can sort out manually, or will doing that throw the bot off? Hog Farm Talk 17:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I've repaired this manually. There was a funny character in one of his nominations. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Op-Ed

I created an Op-Ed for The Bugle with a couple of questions. If anyone else would like to do the same, you can add it to User:Hawkeye7/Op-Ed Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I've added some stuff for myself; I think it would be nice if we could get at least 3 or 4 coordinators to do a little write-up. Hog Farm Talk 18:21, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
@WP:MILHIST coordinators: Thanks Hog Farm! I hope some of the others will chip in. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Happy to chip in but I wonder if we could consider doing it as a "column" introducing the coordinators two or three at a time. That way we have some "easy-to-generate" Op-Ed content for the next few months? Zawed (talk) 09:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
That's a thought, Zawed! For variety, as we have the new lead coord and a returning coord already, it'd be great to see one from a new coord as well; I was also considering doing one as a representative of the coord emeriti. Three or four in total is probably enough for the next Bugle, then we could aim for a similar number in the next couple of of issues. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Sounds fine to me. I was uncertain as to whether we could get three or four. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I could write a little paragraph introducing myself. If Pickersgill-Cunliffe also wants to introduce themselves that would be cool. Schierbecker (talk) 20:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I've moved it to the Bugle page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/News/October 2022/Op-ed); the link above is now a redirect. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: if any coord would like to add a blurb about themselves to the November Bugle op-ed page, similar to what we did last month, we'd love to see it! Note that Nick and I are making a conscious effort to get issues out in the first week or two of the month now, so whoever's interested, pls make it a priority -- two to four entries would be fine. Also if someone could add October's contest results to the Project News page that'd be excellent. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 18:02, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Added one :) –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 20:57, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Added another, and will sort out the contest results momentarily. Zawed (talk) 03:15, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
And the contest write up has been sorted and awards handed out. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 03:57, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Great, tks guys! Ian Rose (talk) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Assuming you want to keep these coord blurbs going in future issues, sign me up for December..! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:43, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi guys, we'd like to try and get the December Bugle out in the next week or so, so Pickersgill-Cunliffe and anyone else who's interested, pls add your contribution to the draft op-ed page here. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello again guys, still like to get at least one or two more coords to introduce themselves at the December op-ed page... Also could we pls get the November contest results on the December Project News page? Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I will try and get the contest stuff sorted later today. Zawed (talk) 01:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
And done, the winner (ahem) just needs their award handed out. Zawed (talk) 02:07, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
And also done (one good turn deserves another)...! Ian Rose (talk) 02:15, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

ACR to-do list for October

As you can see, my quixotic effort to get the backlog down below three months is not making much progress, as we are still working through the June/July hump. However, there are only two articles from August and one from September. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: - Any ideas on a coordinated way for the project to pick up on some of these? It really feels like ACR has been stagnating lately, and I'm not sure what the best way to "liven up the party" at ACR is. Hog Farm Talk 18:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Hog Farm: Have a competition, with barnstar prizes. It's been a while since we had one, and this might make a good focus. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I remember us doing a review drive maybe last year or so, and then me never getting around to checking entries ... Hog Farm Talk 18:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I think we can AGF for most. I mean, we could check your reviews if you insist, but why? We could just random sample the rest and rely on nominators to howl in really egregious cases. Similar to how GoCE work. What's the worst that can happen - someone gets an undeserved barnstar? If they are that desperate, they should email me, and I'll just give them one. I'm happy to do the lion's share of random sampling. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm an external auditor by trade, so I am probably not a good choice for sampling laid back things. Hog Farm Talk 18:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought that might be contributing. Let me take the lead on the checking. (I used to lead what were known as "verification teams": non-random, risk-based checks. Happy days.) Gog the Mild (talk) 19:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
At least for Americans, November and December are probably bad months to run a reviewing contest. Any ideas for a good month in early 2023 to run it in? Hog Farm Talk 14:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
@WP:MILHIST coordinators: - any further thoughts on putting something together for January or February? Of our 12 ACR noms and one reassessment currently open, the reassessment and 7 of the 12 nominations are all at least 2 months old. Hog Farm Talk 20:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
The GA backlog drive runs on points for reviews, and more points resulting in better barnstars. I don't see why a similar system couldn't be used here, with the assumption that unlike the GA drive we'll be able to actually finalise the rewards quickly after the end of the event! For MILHIST specific awards I think the service stripes and WikiChevrons could be used. Barnstars like the WikiProject Barnstar and Content Review Medal could also be used. I'm not entirely au fait with which awards are seen as more valuable, but something like WikiChevrons > service stripes (1,2,3) > WikiProject Barnstar > Content Review Medal could work for an order, with the WikiChevrons being the reward for the lowest point threshold. Assuming points are the way to go, would someone get the same points for a content review as they would for a source or image? More questions than answers I'm afraid, but I don't see why it isn't possible..! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:16, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
For awards, we could probably base something off the quarterly reviewing awards we already do. (Looks like we do WikiChevrons > The Content Review Medal of Merit (Military history) >The Milhist reviewing award w/ between 1 and 3 stripes). Source and image are just as necessary as content reviews, and are sometimes harder, so I'd say to weight it all equally. Hog Farm Talk 22:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
How would it be announced? Is this a mass message appropriate situation? Also, organising how we illustrate what needs to be done; assuming a contest page is created for it, do we let reviewers individually list off what they're working on/have completed, or do we create a table/checklist that people can sign up on to fulfil a certain task? (or something completely different?) Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:31, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
We did something kinda similar last year, and I think we did a mass message because I remember getting the numbers of days in the month wrong on a mass message I sent to everyone. We had a format set up for the prior one, but I don't remember where exactly it's located (also, I don't know if we ever handed out the awards). FWIW, the prior one was for all levels of assessment, because there was a GAN backlog and we were pretty far behind on the monthly autocheck at that point. Hog Farm Talk 22:37, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Autocheck seems to be pretty settled right now, and there's hardly anything available for picking up at warfare GANs. Could add points for FAC reviews, I suppose? They're not in any particular difficulties (AFAIK) but can always do with more look-overs. Copying something else from the GA drive, it might be good to include extra points for reviews on articles that have been waiting for longer than others. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

September contest

Hi all, I have sorted out the September contest and dished out the second place prize/done the competition write up for the Bugle on the basis of the points table as it stands. My entries still have to be verified and the first place prize dished out. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 09:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Taken care of. Hog Farm Talk 02:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Outstanding B class checks

Woo hoo! We have nearly caught up with ourselves. Nice work everyone. The last few which still need checking are consolidated below.

Well I'll be, this cleaned up pretty nicely. Good job, everyone! –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 20:29, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

International affairs

Hello everybody.

  • Frist of all: congratulations for the new elected Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators.
  • 2nd: Has one of them an idea for international affairs or to stay in contact with members in international projects?
  • On german WP i do coordination and support for de:P:MIL and de:P:WF.

Best regards and if somebody likes to contact me: that fine! Best --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 08:18, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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ACR to-do list for November

As you can see, there are two nominations inactive for already more than a month and two nominations that are almost ready for promotion. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Reading list & December Bugle

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: Hi guys, last year we ran the coords' 2021 reading list in the December Bugle. If a few of you would like to get cracking on a 2022 list, Nick and I would be happy to run that in next month's (200th) issue. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

In anticipation of some entries to augment the 2021 list, I've created a separate 2022 page here. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Something we did last year

We've run the Military historian of the year and the newcomer of the year every year since 2008, and it looks like last year we opened nominations on December 1. @WP:MILHIST coordinators: is this something we're planning on doing again? Hog Farm Talk 14:37, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd say so. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Yep. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:51, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
If there's no objections, I'll try to roll something out after work, using PM67's introduction to last year's as a guide. Hog Farm Talk 17:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Sounds good. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
It's up now. I don't see anything in my user talk page archives suggesting that we ran a mass notification. If it's deemed necessary I can send one out, but I'm going to try to add it to the announcements header to give it at least some visibility. Hog Farm Talk 00:41, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
@Hog Farm: Looks like the nomination pages got archived by the bot? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
It was missing part of the do not archive template. I've put the template up so that it won't be archived for four weeks (can be shortened if needed). Hog Farm Talk 15:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Can we vote yet? Gog the Mild (talk) 19:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Oh shoot ... had inlaws visiting and forgot to start the voting period. Yes, that's open now. @WP:MILHIST coordinators: - I've got to go soon - would anyone be willing/able to set the voting portion up? I think last year we made new sections for the voting. The candidacy period didn't get input from very many editors, so does anyone have thoughts about a mass message? I think some years we've sent one, and other years we haven't. Hog Farm Talk 20:31, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Set up now. Hog Farm Talk 22:18, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: - would somebody be able to close this? I'm recovering from COVID. Hog Farm Talk 04:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Get well soon Hog. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
I've closed the discussions, so it's up to The Bugle now. Hope you feel better, HF. -Indy beetle (talk) 18:44, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
I've updated WikiProject Military history/Awards and handed out all the awards to the recipients on their talk pages but my own. If someone could present my silver wiki, that would be great. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Good work Hawkeye. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Assessment criteria examples

Do some of these need to be updated? The GA example, Punic Wars, is looking like it might be a FA soon and the B example, 10th Texas Field Battery is now a GA. The list stub example, List of supercavitating torpedoes, redirects to Supercavitating torpedo which is list class and to me seems like more of a bad article rather than a list. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, they probably need to be updated at some point. We did a bigger update over a year ago because they were about 10 years out of date at that point. Hog Farm Talk 18:56, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
I suppose one could try linking specific revisions. Which would also have an advantage of showing how an article grows and changes, as you could use the same article. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 18:58, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Jane's year book archive

@WP:MILHIST coordinators:

I've started to curate a Milhist-themed library at User:Schierbecker/sandbox. I've collected about 70 Jane's year books so far. All of these are available to browse online courtesy of the Internet Archive Books to Borrow program. My goal is to make these sources—fully formatted in citation style—available to all of the subprojects of Milhist. I welcome your feedback. Please also feel free add to this work in progress if that interests you. Schierbecker (talk) 23:35, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

This is a really good idea. I also have a wide range of works on the Internet Archive favourited due to its not very good search system, and would be happy to share them. I found out yesterday that what looks like the entire British official history of the Second World War is on the site! Would there be interest in setting up a Internet Archive library for the project? (eg, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Internet Archive books or similar) so members can share what they've found? It's an excellent resource, but frustrating to use due to the difficulty of finding anything. Nick-D (talk) 23:47, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Feel free to add. Search is indeed definitely not one of Internet Archive's strong suits. In the future it may be worth exploring a partnership between a collection and WP:Milhist to scan books that are not yet in the Internet Archive's library. There is currently a lawsuit by Hatchett against the Internet Archive for its book-lending service, so this is all somewhat up in the air. BTW, I was also thinking about setting up a shared Google Drive/OneDrive for sharing public domain pdfs. What do you think? Schierbecker (talk) 01:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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