Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/General meteorology task force/Archive 12

FAR tropical cyclone

I have nominated Tropical cyclone for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Femke Nijsse (talk) 16:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser

Sandbox Organiser A place to help you organise your work

Hi all

I've been working on a tool for the past few months that you may find useful, especially if you create new articles. Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser is a set of tools to help you better organise your draft articles and other pages in your userspace. It also includes areas to keep your to do lists, bookmarks, list of tools. You can customise your sandbox organiser to add new features and sections. Once created you can access it simply by clicking the sandbox link at the top of the page. You can create and then customise your own sandbox organiser just by clicking the button on the page. All ideas for improvements and other versions would be really appreciated.

Huge thanks to PrimeHunter and NavinoEvans for their work on the technical parts, without them it wouldn't have happened.

Hope its helpful

John Cummings (talk) 11:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Johnstown flood of 1977

Hello, please take a look at the new article Johnstown flood of 1977. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otr500 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Johnstown flood of 1936

Hello, please also take a look at the new article Johnstown flood of 1936. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otr500 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

CfD nomination: merger of Category:Meteorological phenomena and Category:Basic meteorological concepts and phenomena

Category:Meteorological phenomena has been nominated for merging with Category:Basic meteorological concepts and phenomena. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srleffler (talk • contribs) 03:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Sleetbow

Hi! I had a newish user (@WeathermanWill:) approach me about restoring an article I'd moved to the draftspace, Draft:Sleetbow. Long story short, it was tagged for speedy deletion as a neologism he'd come up with on his own and I wanted to give him time to work on it. He wants it restored so he can improve this, but I'm concerned that if this is moved live without proper sourcing to establish how it's notable independently of the main article on rainbows, it could lead to the article's deletion, which could be disheartening.

They're a new-ish/infrequent editor so I thought it would be good to reach out here and tag him so that he could get some help or advice on creating new weather related articles. Wikipedia can always use more editors and all of us were newbies at one point, after all! ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice

I have nominated Climate of Minnesota for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 19:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Extratropical cyclone.

A user called TheGreatDR and I brought the article on extratropical cyclones up to featured article level some years back. I've just got notification that this article is being reviewed.

Some concerns have been raised on the article's talk page, to which I have responded to address them in part. There are, however, many technical aspects to the article marked as citation needed. While I remain convinced that many of these don't actually require citation, some of them could indeed be cited. I don't really edit wiki anymore, so I've just popped along over here (The wikiproject that started the process of improving that article) to let you know that one of the project's key articles runs the risk of falling backwards without attention.

Kind regards, and good luck. Crimsone (talk) 04:31, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

US mid-February winter storm?

Is there an article on the mid-Feb storm that crippled Texas? -- 65.93.183.33 (talk) 09:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

@65.93.183.33: That storm has an article here: February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm. Note that winter storms are covered by WikiProject Non-tropical storms, and for finding articles related to that, you can go there. ~ 🌀HurricaneCovid🌀 16:03, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Is this true?

[1] I'm an amateur astronomer, not a meteorologist. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

More of a comment, I'm not a meteorologist either: It doesn't matter if this is true or not, the only source provided (as far as I can see) is Twitter, which should not even be entertained on Wikipedia. We have to use the best sources available, and if those are 'pop-sci' articles which get some absurdly complicated technicality wrong (while getting the rest right), then so be it. See Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth, even though it is only an essay, I think it captures the essence of the problem is. We can not let go of verifiable claims just because of a random person (a source we can't verify) who claims to have a more complete picture. Uness232 (talk) 21:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

2021 Pacific Northwest heat wave

New stub: 2021 Pacific Northwest heat wave. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:24, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Do we really need an article that is nothing more than a weather forecast? Obviously if some severe extremes do happen, something might be justified, but not now. HiLo48 (talk) 01:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@HiLo48: As we move into the era of the weather project being a thing, there are gonna be more and more of these sort of articles pop up. However, hopefully by working together as a project, we can work out what's worth an article, how to format it etc. However, at the moment I would personally comment that this particular heatwave article might be better presented as a part of Weather in 2021 or Heatwaves in 2021.Jason Rees (talk) 02:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

If this project seeks credibility, this article should not even exist at all, nor should it be part of anything else. Maybe in a weeks times, but not now. HiLo48 (talk) 02:25, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@HiLo48: The weather project does seek credibility but there is very little point in coming and bitching at us, about someone creating an article about a heatwave in the middle of the event, especially when we are looking at developing more articles about significant weather like heatwaves. What would be useful though is to hear your thoughts on when heatwaves/droughts and other weather events are notable enough to deserve an article and how to format them etc.Jason Rees (talk) 13:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Merge/create List of United States heat waves (2020–present). Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 03:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@HiLo48: - what do you think of a list of heat waves? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 14:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

We would need solid, uniformly applied, scientific criteria. Not just media excitement. HiLo48 (talk) 03:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Some places have an official definition for a heat wave. Ireland's definition of 30°C would be too low for a place with 3+ days' highs over 90°F and so on. If Phoenix or South Australia has one it's probably about 110°F lol. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Met Éireann definition is five consecutive days with a maximum temperature of over 25 degrees. (The Journal). French Brittany in the same or similar climatic area same period notes 3 consecutive nights without temperatures below 20°C Ouest-France. That latest is very much used since ten years or more to expect "unusally" oversized storms by the way. If there's a need to meet the criteria, it looks like we are at entry point. --Askedonty (talk) 12:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

So I must be misrembering an official or unofficial Irish cutoff for "extreme heat" instead.Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

30 degrees was the subject everywhere except that statement in particular. --Askedonty (talk) 14:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

What statement? "heat wave"? 30 for any amount of time is still a big milestone in much of Europe? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

The Met Éireann statement asserting they have for definition 5 days, over 25°C. And no, one hundred miles away from the coast it can't be unusual to have night temperatures staying hot during summer. The map at Oceanic climate may be misleading to that regard. Compare with the map from this site. By everywhere I meant "in the related Irish news". Without your own note I wouln't have even heard of it, neither for Brittany. Too much of all that all the time, local national news can't cope. And it's happening right now. --Askedonty (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

I think I understand what you meant now: 30 is the start of heat wave in most of Europe, not the start of extreme heat. Makes sense. And presumably heat wave is not 30 in much of Spain, as Madrid average high is 31 or 32 in hottest month and Cordoba is 36.9. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:55, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Start of heatwave is declared at 30°C in Germany springer, 25,3°C in France futura, both after five days duration. With 0.3° difference between Ireland criteria and France's criteria, it's important that "heat-wave" be not assimilated to "highly unnusual". Like you said, 30°C is not a all unusual over continental Europe. --Askedonty (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes I am aware from my own city that heatwaves happen dozens of times a decade, intermediate between average and rare. I was previously confused what you meant by 30 as I knew the German record was ~40 till the ~43 two years ago. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Help needed at Reference Desk

Some informed opinion would be helpful at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#AMOC and NAC please. Alansplodge (talk) 11:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Climograph vs Climatic diagram

Hi,

This article Climograph is language-linked to the French wikipedia article, fr:Diagramme climatique. The latter article has a broader context than just temperature/precipitation charts, and also includes sections on "ombrothermic diagrams" and "wind diagrams". The respective fr:Talk:Diagramme climatique page shows the "ombrothermic diagram" content has been included as a result of a merge. My meandering across wikipedia has led me to translate the French articles for Gaussen Index and Xerothermic index, and, in order to add related explanatory links to the Henri Gaussen article, I'd like to link the translated "ombrothermic diagram" content somewhere appropriate. I could import the French language content to this article, or create a new separate one - whichever is most useful. I don't have strong preferences but the separate content would probably remain fairly stubby so I favour building on this one. In my meteorological ignorance, though, does the definition of "Climograph" solely relate to temperature/precipitation charts, or is it generic enough to encompass the other diagram types?

I'd be grateful for your thoughts and guidance -- KenBailey (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, climograph refers to temperature/precipitation charts. So you could refer to the graphs with something else that is more generic like "Climatic chart". If you are going to do this, I am in favor of adding information about the precipitation stripes from this project and the book it cites. And if you discuss the precipitation stripes, you might as well also discuss the temperature stripes.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

RSN discussion

Dear editors, an RSN discussion is ongoing regarding the reliability of climatic data from this website (example of her page, which seems rather buggy given its load time). Your input will be welcome. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:17, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Question

Can someone please explain the difference between Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology and Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather? We do not have separate Wikipedia:WikiProject Biology and Wikipedia:WikiProject Life, Wikipedia:WikiProject Hydrology and Wikipedia:WikiProject Water, Wikipedia:WikiProject Horology and Wikipedia:WikiProject Watches nor any other similar pairs. It is looking like every talk page is in the process of getting double tagged, which makes no sense to me. Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance, UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I can't fully explain it, but I have some explanation for why they are two separate WikiProjects. Weather and Meteorology are not actually interchangeable (Except in a few instances). The Weather WikiProject will put a higher priority on "weather" articles, like Tornadoes of 2021. In that article, WP Meteorology does not apply as it isn't about Meteorology. Likewise, WP Meteorology will tag meteorologists, but WP Weather won't. It is a weird thing because weather is just a lot of events. Biology and Life are the same WP because in that case, having them in two separate WP's would actually double tag articles. In reality, only a few hundred (Maybe up to 1,000 at most) articles overlap between the two WP's. WP Weather has over 9,000 articles tagged while WP Meteorology has just over 2,000. Grammatically, you can interchange the words at times, but for Wikipedia, it is more of the "science" (WP Meteorology) vs the "science history" (WP Weather). Elijahandskip (talk) 03:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

If meteorologists should be in WP Meteorology, why is there Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather/Biographies task force? And how do you explain Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather/Meteorological instruments and data task force? Doesn't it make sense to have a single Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology and weather if the 2 terms are not actually interchangeable? UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@UnitedStatesian: Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology is currently being gradually merged into Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather along with Severe Weather, non tropical storms, tropical cyclones and a few others, as a result, I am not a fan of @Elijahandskip: adding WikiProject Meteorology tags to various articles.Jason Rees (talk) 23:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Well I did not know that Jason Rees. That is the first of me hearing that. Also, I haven’t added to “various articles”. I have only added it to 2, both being weather by years articles. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, @Jason Rees: and @Elijahandskip: that makes much more sense. But to avoid confusion (mine especially) I am going to add "in process of being merged" banners to WP Meteorology and the other "old" WPs. Thanks you both for your help here and your good editing, UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)