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Wisconsin fire stations

Hi, I wonder if Wisconsin editors could possibly please pitch in and create articles for four NRHP-listed fire stations, contributing to a nation-wide effort to complete out List of fire stations, which mostly covers NRHP-listed places, and has about 115 redlinks in total. Help getting NRHP documents, etc. is covered at wp:NRHPHELP. The following four are in Wisconsin (vs. 6 bluelinks in the state):

It would be a help for me to be able to focus elsewhere. User:Jeff the quiet, User:Royalbroil, anyone else? Thank y'all for considering. --Doncram (talk) 08:06, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Don, I'll work on them a little. The Sauk City one, at least, looks interesting. Jeff the quiet (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! There are also:
I think the List of fire stations is developing nicely, with help from several others in Michigan and elsewhere, too. --Doncram (talk) 16:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you to Jeff the quiet for developing three new articles so far. The fire stations list-article has been interesting for discovering that the U.S. fire station photos show a lot of narrow towers, some of which turn out to be hose towers (currently a redlink), for hanging fire hoses to dry. I had never heard of such a thing. Then in Australia I haven't come across any towers identified for hose-drying, but there are numerous stations with towers for fire lookout purposes. And there are drill towers and clock towers and bell towers. But about hose towers, per this "what is a hose tower" source the National Historic Landmark Greendale Historic District, Greendale, WI, has a notable Hose Tower that is a big deal, the most salient of any I can find (though no mention in the historic district article yet). So perhaps something like Police Station, Fire Station and Municipal Court and Hose Tower Annex could cover the fire station and separate hose tower. The "what is a hose tower" source includes the only photo showing hoses in the interior of any tower that I have ever seen. Any chance anyone could get pics in Greendale, inside and out? --Doncram (talk) 04:47, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome, but I did only two of them. Packerfansam did Jefferson. -Jeff the quiet (talk) 06:06, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format

An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 57 15:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Baraboo High School

There is a discussion regarding a recent event taking place at the page above that may be of interest to members of this project. Your participation is appreciated. John from Idegon (talk) 19:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Fredonia Town vs Village

Please see this change now according to Fredonia (town), Wisconsin, "The village of Fredonia is surrounded by the town" so can I rename Category:People from Fredonia, Wisconsin to Category:People from Fredonia (town), Wisconsin and include people from both town and village, assuming people from the village are therefore also from the town ? Or can I undo the change to be as it was originally. Note three of the category members are from the village, and two from the town. Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 19:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

  • @GrahamHardy: The town and village are completely separate municipalities and are governed by separate boards, etc. -- so technically a resident of the village is NOT a resident of the town and visa versa. User:RFD usually mentions the article Administrative divisions of Wisconsin, which explains the workings of local Wisconsin government reasonably well. That being said, I don't know of anyone that would make that distinction in casual everyday conversation. Most everyone would say that they were from Fredonia. Personally, I have no problem having a combined category for those situations that have a reasonably small number of notable individuals. -- Dolotta (talk) 20:11, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
And for the record, the category's title page explains that residents of both municipalities are included in the category. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:50, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Meetup

Have Wisconsin editors ever had a meetup? Many places are planning one this month for Wikipedia's birthday, as well as Public Domain Day. I plan to be in Madison on Sunday, January 27, and would love to meet some of you informally at a coffee house or restaurant near the Capitol. If interested, please reply here. Also, I invite suggestions for a venue. Jonathunder (talk) 04:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Alas, much as I would love to see such an event, I will be in Chattanooga that weekend. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:48, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Same here. I'd like to meet you fellow encyclopedists, but I'm committed elsewhere that day. --Jeff the quiet (talk) 13:06, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

New Legislators

Would anyone be interested in helping me create articles for the new legislators? I count nine red links at Template:Wisconsin State Assembly. I'll take Jesse James. -- Dolotta (talk) 15:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

WP 1.0 Bot Beta

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Input sought 02-JUN-2019

There is a COI edit request-related discussion at this talk page involving the Wisconsin-based S.C. Johnson & Son company where input from other editors would be helpful. The issue involves the mentioning of a lawsuit where the particulars alleged in the lawsuit (tax evasion) were never fully resolved because of the failure of the lawsuit's plaintiff to obtain a specific type of affidavit. It seems WP:DUE might come into play here, as mentioning the lawsuit in the first place seems drastic considering the only sources provided are the court documents themselves and a local publication which is biased towards Racine events. Does this failed lawsuit merit a mention? Any input would be most appreciated. Regards,  Spintendo  09:09, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

St Agnes-by-the-Lake Episcopal Church (Algoma, Wisconsin) AFD in progress

Please consider Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St Agnes-by-the-Lake Episcopal Church (Algoma, Wisconsin). To me the topic of St Agnes-by-the-Lake Episcopal Church (Algoma, Wisconsin) seems obiously historic, notable, but it would be good to get others' views and perhaps sources/material. --Doncram (talk) 05:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Wisconsin Portal

The Wisconsin Portal is up for deletion. Any thoughts? I'll ping WI editors that I know to be fairly active: @Orangemike: @RFD: @Royalbroil: @TheCatalyst31: @KDTW Flyer: @Willsome429:

Have a good Independence Day! -- Dolotta (talk) 18:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

fire lookout towers?

Are there really only two fire lookout towers in Wisconsin? I would think any existing one, and many historic ones, would be notable. And didn't Wisconsin practically all burn away a few times? But only Fifield Fire Lookout Tower and Mountain Fire Lookout Tower appear in Category:Fire lookout towers in Wisconsin, and I can't otherwise find any others to add to Wisconsin section in new List of fire lookout towers. Help? User:Jeff the quiet, anyone? --Doncram (talk) 11:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

There are quite a few. Though I wouldn't say that they're all notable without more investigation. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 13:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for that link, explaining what's gone on in Wisconsin. It states that all 72 are decommissioned, and lower sections of ladders removed to prevent all public access. No overnight rentals allowed, oh well. And National Historic Lookout Registry maps and lists 56 for Wisconsin. No criteria explained for what's required for NHLR registration, except for 50 years age and a complete application, from anyone, AFAICT. You are right, my intuition was wrong about their rarity and likely documentation, and i agree they do not all appear to be notable. --Doncram (talk) 17:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Image Request

I've updated the article on Elizabeth Plankinton, who financed the Washington Monument (Milwaukee). It was restored and returned to display in January 2018. Our articles only have images of it looking green and I think an updated photo would be great. Can anyone upload one? Thanks. EdChem (talk) 08:27, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Sheepshead (card game)

I added Sheepshead (card game) to this project; feel free to remove the stub if there is a more formal way to add pages to the project. GoldCoastPrior (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

A discussion of interest to this project

There's a content dispute that may be of interest to this project at Talk:Middleton High School (Middleton, Wisconsin). Your participation is welcomed. John from Idegon (talk) 19:23, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Redirects

RFD, TheCatalyst31 and others: an editor has been incorrectly redirecting unincorporated communities that may need cleanup. I am still sorting through things, but Fox Lake Junction, Wisconsin is the first one that I've noticed. -- Dolotta (talk) 11:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I redirected a number of stubs that failed verification as "unincorporated communities". They were mass created from the GNIS database which often mislabels railroad junctions, sidings, etc as "populated places". Happy to discuss if any of these were in error. –dlthewave ☎ 01:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

TV Lenny

If there's any interest, I'd really appreciate some help fleshing out an article on Crazy TV Lenny, you know the ad guy from the 80s? I have some pretty good sources, but I always have trouble writing the prose. User:Neko-chan/sandbox/Len_Mattioli --~ฅ(ↀωↀ=)neko-channyan 20:03, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Article request: Housing in Wisconsin

Wikipedia readers would be grateful if your project would consider creating a new article about Housing in Wisconsin. Here are some sources of information:

  • Category:Housing in Wisconsin
  • Housing Needs By State: Wisconsin, Washington, DC: National Low Income Housing Coalition, retrieved October 24, 2020
  • "Wisconsin", COVID-19 Housing Policy Scorecard, Eviction Lab, retrieved October 24, 2020
  • "Wisconsin Homelessness Statistics", Usich.gov, Washington DC: U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness, retrieved October 24, 2020
  • (Housing), Wisconsin Historical Society (assorted materials)
  • (Wisconsin+housing), Digital Public Library of America (assorted materials)
  • (Wisconsin+housing), UK: Core.ac.uk Open access icon (assorted materials)
  • (Wisconsin+housing), Germany: Base-search.net Open access icon (assorted materials)

Best regards, -- M2545 (talk) 13:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Good idea, I'll get working on that article soon. JackFromReedsburg (talk) 14:21, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you!! -- M2545 (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

The population for Beaver Dam, Wisconsin is wrong

I was born there and from 1946 onward the population was never less than around 11,000. In the 2010 Census, Beaver Dam's population is shown to be over 16,000, and the US Census Bureau estimates the 2019 population at 16,403. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.95.197.74 (talk) 21:00, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a source to back up your claim? An official census website showing that the population was infact, over 11,000?JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 21:33, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Tropical cyclones in Wisconsin

No that isn't a typo or a global warming-induced fever dream. A fellow hurricane enthusiast was working on a list of tropical cyclone effects in Wisconsin, and I think he could use the help finishing it, ideally from a Wisconsinite. He has things formatted back to 1992, and from there, he has a list of storms (and their remnants) affecting the state back to 1898. Eventually, we hope to have tropical cyclone effects articles for every major area, and that includes inland areas such as Wisconsin. Don't think that your state can see a tropical cyclone? You had one back in June actually!

So with that, is there anyone part of this project interested in meteorology who might be able to help with the list? Thanks in advance. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: I'm interested and as a bonus I'm a trained weather spotter. I have high variable interests. What are some sources that could be used to flesh out the early 1920s - 1940s hurricanes? I looked through my photography collection and only found one related image (which I had previously uploaded). I got a real eye opening experience when I drove the entire coastline path of devastation for Hurricane Michael's landfall in Florida during the last two Januarys. I had driven Hwy 98 on the January before the hurricane and have some before and after pictures (especially Mexico City). Royalbroil 01:52, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey there Royalbroil, thanks for the reply! There probably isn't much for the 1920s to 1940s. The Atlantic hurricane reanalysis might have a bit. At the very least, it might point you in the right direction for what storms went toward Wisconsin. Another good resource it the Monthly Weather Review summary of each season. Here is 1921, for example, which doesn't go into much detail about the inland effects of a hurricane hitting Texas that year. Maybe newspapers will give it a mention? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

New to-do list for Wisconsin Highways, feel free to help me out!

Hello folks! So I recently created a to-do list for improving Wikipedia's coverage of Wisconsin Highways. I find that having defined goals makes it easier to work. Anyway, if you are interested and want to contribute, please see my page at User:JackFromReedsburg/WISCHWY. Thanks! JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 01:25, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I wrote one of those delisted GAs, and while I don't write about highways as much as I used to I still might be interested in helping out. If you find a good source for older state highway maps, let me know; part of the reason both of the GAs got delisted is that they cited self-published sources in place of official highway maps because the maps weren't accessible. The Wisconsin Historical Society's online collections have some of the older ones, and I have physical copies of some later ones (but sadly no easy means of scanning them), but there's nothing comprehensive short of going to a physical library. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 03:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! It seems that for Wisconsin Highway 131, it just needs the single self-published source replaced, and it would be good to go, according to the 2011 reassessment. I'll have to check out the Wisconsin Historical Society site, as I haven't found a replacement source yet. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 18:45, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

New Article: Wisconsin dairy industry

Hello editors, I have recently created an article, Wisconsin dairy industry. Feel free to come help me out with the article. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 03:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

YMCA Camp Minikani

This camp seems to be notable, but the article needs work and more sources. Please help. Bearian (talk) 22:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Ordinary, WI

This is a fictional place in Wisconsin in a 2019 paranormal video game called Control. The town was called Ordinary, WI. I like to imagine they were next door neighbors to Willows, WI. I'm trying to figure out how to have the link to the game page listed in the categories of fictional places in WI while having the title be Ordinary, WI and not Control. I'm a new wiki editor. Any help here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robotrightsactivist (talk • contribs) 14:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Youngblood Brass Band

Would someone from this WikiProject mind taking a look at Youngblood Brass Band and assessing it? It's not clear how the band meets WP:NBAND, but maybe this is a case of WP:NEXIST. The article was created in 2006 and over the years it might have been primarily edited by band members or fans. Its talk page had no WikiProject banners or formatting until I tried to clean things up a bit; so, the article never seems to have been properly assessed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Looks like this article was deleted. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 23:37, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Deprecation of A-class

(Pinging active members @Royalbroil:, @Dolotta:, @Jeff the quiet:, @Packerfansam:, and @TheCatalyst31: )

Hello WikiProject Wisconsin editors, I am proposing that we formally deprecate "A-class", and use the more standard GA and FA classes. For the Wisconsin project, the A-class is unnecessary, as all articles that meet the quality can be submitted for a Good Article Review or a Featured Article Review. Additionally, many WikiProjects have stopped using A-class. This change would standardize our review process (stub - start - C - B - GA - FA).

I propose that all A-class articles are either re-assessed as GA-class (if it was a GA-class prior to the A-class), be submitted at Good Article Nominations, or at Featured Article Nominations for a formal review. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 00:19, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Oppose -- Other projects still use the A-class and it is still a part of the overall assessment scale. To be honest, I have seen very little interest in the promotion of articles to Good or FA status by WPWI members, myself included, in the five years I have been a Wikipedian. -- Dolotta (talk) 02:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

  • @JackFromReedsburg: Danger and I have together assessed probably 90% of the articles tagged for the project. I wouldn't mind working with you to update our project's assessment criteria. I would venture a guess that nobody has really taken a good look at them since TShilo12 and BaronLarf created the project in 2005. -- Dolotta (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
  • @Dolotta: the main reason I brought up A-class specifically, was due to its place above GA, and below FA, and requiring a review by this WikiProject. You can read the criteria here: WP:ACLASS. Because A-class requires reviews anyway, I personally don't see the point in having it seperate from the GA process. In regards to assessments, I think the vast majority of it is fine. I recently went through and did assessments on a bunch of recently created unassessed articles. I think it would be useful to encourage wisconsin editors to write Good Articles on many of our important topics. For example, Wisconsin is at B-class, and is close to GA, it would just need some copyediting and sourcing of the last unsourced content. Since this May 29th is Wisconsin's 174th year as a state, maybe we could coordinate a drive to write new Good Articles or bring other articles to B class. Anyway this is just an idea and maybe should be proposed and discussed in a proper section. I have proposed it below. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 13:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

No preference -- I don't pay much attention to article ratings. --Jeff the quiet (talk) 02:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Oppose --- Attaining GA class is a major accomplishment and FA is extremely difficult. Several of the 7 articles haven't received either status. Who would do the major work required to meet at least GA status and follow it through? I put the work into one of these 7 articles to meet GA but it failed FA despite my effort (hundreds of hours). Royalbroil 00:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

  • As I said to Dolotta, achieving A-class requires a review from the WikiProject. I personally feel that it would be more useful to just use the GA review process instead of having our own for A-class. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 13:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Article improvement drive proposal

This month of May is the 174th year of Wisconsin statehood. For this occasion, I am proposing an article improvement drive, where we get as many articles to GA-class, B-class, as possible. Barnstars could be given out as awards. I will set up a subpage for it if people are interested. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 13:34, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Potential improvements could include:

  • reaching 100 Good Articles (need 11 more)
  • destubbing Wisconsin related articles
  • bringing articles to B-class
  • bringing new editors to the wisconsin project
  • bring all Top and High importance articles to B-class
  • make some Featured Lists

--JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 13:49, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Discussion over the Door County Wisconsin article

There is currently a discussion about what to keep, what to remove, and what to split off into separate pages at Talk:Door_County,_Wisconsin#Article_length_and_amount_of_sources; things are still being sorted out.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Greenville, Wisconsin

Can anyone remind me as to what is done when a town with an unincorporated community of the same name is incorporated into a village? -- Dolotta (talk) 21:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

ABS Global

This was WP:PRODded; I declined the prod and expanded it a bit. There is quite a lot of coverage still out there. If anyone's interested in bull semen, please have at it. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Waukesha parade attack#Requested move 26 December 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Waukesha parade attack#Requested move 26 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 17:36, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

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Requested move at Talk:Kehl Winery#Requested move 22 April 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kehl Winery#Requested move 22 April 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 18:44, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Proposal to make a Door County barnstar and a Reward Board listing

In the last few years, some editors have been uploading photographs related to Door County. I don't think there is enough interest in the county to create a separate taskforce, but I still appreciate the new photos and want to encourage more. I propose to create a Door County barnstar under the auspices of WikiProject Wisconsin and use it for a WP:Reward Board listing and to describe it on the page for Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Wisconsin. The listing would be for a special project to take and upload specific photographs to Commons, with a list of the suggested photographs available as a separate subpage on this Wikiproject. The photographs would be required to be natural photographs without a matte finish or color enhancements, although the glare from a camera flash would be allowed. The barnstar would be earned when 10 photographs from the uploads matching the suggested photographs list are used on Category:Door County, Wisconsin related articles prior to a specific date, such as December 31, 2022. The photos could be added to the articles by the original uploader or by anyone else, including me. The barnstar would not be awarded to someone who does not take the photographs and only uploads others' photos from other websites, or who only uses others' photographs from Commons on the articles. After the Reward Board listing is done, the barnstar could remain on this listing of templates here in case anyone finds a use for it. Does anyone object to, or have suggestions to improve on this plan? Does anyone want to work on the proposed list?--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

No one made any comments. If this was a bigger sort of proposal that could be grounds to reject it on the basis of "no consensus". Since this is a smaller thing I will go ahead with what I proposed on the basis of WP:Silent.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 00:40, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
The Reward Board listing is at Wikipedia:Reward_board#Add new Door County photos to articles.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 20:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I'll try to remember this the next time I'm up there! Heeps of Wiki (talk) 03:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
This particular project is over early because of my soon-to-be site ban. But people can still take and add photos.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Tyrol Basin

Would some members of this WikiProject mind taking a look at Tyrol Basin? There's lots of unsourced content in the article and it seems to have a bit of WP:NOTGUIDE feel to it. I recently did some basic MOS cleanup to try and improve the style of the article, but these were all reverted by a new editor named DyslexicNerd 01. I reverted back and posted something on both the article's talk page and the user's talk page to explain why, but perhaps some others might take a look as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know, I'll take a look over the article and respond on its talk page. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 03:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Thank you JackFromWisconsin. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

GAR notice

1899 New Richmond tornado has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Sports seasons stub proposal

Hello fellow cheeseheads! I've been working on reassessing the 11,000+ stubs of this project in an effort to upgrade as many as possible to higher assessment levels and help the project reach its goal of having 60% of articles be start-class or better.

While doing that, I noticed a huge number of stubs (about 500) are sports season recaps, tournament brackets, race results, and the like. Most of these stubs cite only a single primary source, generally a team archive. In format, the articles (such as 1889 Wisconsin Badgers football team or 1904–05 Wisconsin Badgers men's basketball team) generally follow the same pattern: a brief lead followed by tables of game results, rosters, and often a listing of the conference results. They do not demonstrate general notability within the article, and guidelines for sports seasons are pretty vague. In most cases, I'd argue that these stubs do not meet the standards set out in that latter guideline.

These stubs account for roughly 4% of the entire stub category and doing something with them would go a long toward reaching that start-class goal.

To that end, I have a few proposals for what could be done:

  1. Delete these stubs. They do not meet Wikipedia guidelines for notability, and coverage of these seasons is WP:ROUTINE in almost all cases. These articles may also violate WP:NOTEVERYTHING and/or WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Wikipedia does not need to be a place that lists every Badger football player in history. Relevant details which can be verified in reliable secondary sourcing should be added to the articles of the team if those details are not already present in the article about that team. Exceptions should be made for those articles about championship seasons per WP:NSEASONS unless the championship cannot be verified in reliable secondary sources. This is the option I would vote for, but I'm a deletionist, so take that with a grain of salt.
  2. Remove these stubs from the purview of WikiProject Wisconsin. The only connection these stubs have with Wisconsin is a loose geographic connection. These stubs should be removed from WikiProject Wisconsin and added to the appropriate WikiProjects that focus on their related subject matter (such as WikiProject College Football, WikiProject College Basketball, and WikiProject Sports) if they are not already part of those projects.
  3. Change these stubs to list-class. Each article is functionally that already, a preamble follwed by lists of players, scores, and statistics, organized into nice tables. This does not answer the question of if these articles are notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia entry in the first place, but it would go a long way toward reducing the number of stub-class articles.
  4. Merge these stubs into larger articles covering a set period of time, such as a decade, using collapsible elements. Thus, rather than having 10 articles about Badger football in the 1890s, one for each year, we would have one article, "Wisconsin Badgers football in the 1890s", with headings for each year that contain the information currently in the stubs. For those seasons that are especially notable in their own right, the stub would remain and a summary would be added to the new decade article.

I'd love to hear some additional thoughts on these ideas! I'm more than happy to take on the work, whatever the consenus is (though I certainly wouldn't mind some help if the consensus is "merge"). M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 06:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

You may want to talk to the college sports WikiProjects about these proposals; WikiProject College football in particular has already put a lot of time into the season articles, and articles about lesser teams than Wisconsin easily survive AfD. That being said, you left out what seems like the best solution to me, which is to expand the articles so they are no longer stubs. It should be easy to find newspaper sources on a major team like Wisconsin, and de-stubbing the articles should just mean adding a summary of the major events of the season and maybe some short game summaries. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 19:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
An excellent idea! The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me convert them to list-class. I certainly don't want to ruin anyone's hard work (the code for those tables makes my head swim). I feel like converting them to list-class would be less controversial than deleting all of them, and that making them list-class is really just classifying them correctly. However, I'll take that idea to the college football and college basketball projects and see what they think after this has had a chance to percolate here a little longer. Thanks for chiming in! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 04:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Note that once the articles are properly fleshed out, they don't really resemble lists anymore. Articles like 1896 Michigan Wolverines football team and 1901 Michigan Wolverines football team (both GAs) are examples of what they could become. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 04:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
A very good point! I will revise my thinking on this. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

update to superintendent

HI, Anthony Burrell (retired) is no longer state Superintendent of the Wisconsin sTate patrol. just fyi 75.100.4.4 (talk) 14:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

FAR for USS Wisconsin

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Project-independent quality assessments

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Terminology around Wisconsin town articles

@Topeka Sam has raised some issues with articles surrounding Wisconsin towns, including our current naming conventions. Usually, we tend to name town articles with conventions such as Akan, Wisconsin; Madison (town), Wisconsin; or Germantown, Washington County, Wisconsin; and in the article text we say something along the lines of "Madison is a town in Dane County, Wisconsin, United States." Topeka Sam suggests that instead we should say "The Town of _______ is located in ______ County, Wisconsin, United States" in the ledes of town articles. On the one hand, we tend to shorten the names of cities and villages to their WP:COMMONNAME (e.g. "Milwaukee" instead of "City of Milwaukee"), but on the other hand, geo articles for other states such as Iowa and Michigan tend to use "Township" in titles and in-text (e.g. Iowa Township, Iowa County, Iowa: "Iowa Township is a township in Iowa County, Iowa, USA."). Topeka Sam is starting to win me over that maybe Wisconsin's articles are inconsistent with geo articles for other parts of the country, but I think we need more people's thoughts before making so many changes to so many articles. Does anyone know what sources we should use to gauge if Town of ______ is actually the WP:COMMONNAME for Wisconsin towns? Happy to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter. CoatGuy2 (talk) 15:19, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

CoatGuy2 nicely summarized the issue from the naming perspective. I will offer another view, that naming many places the same has lead to factual errors. Last night I spent roughly an hour looking at the coordinates shown for towns, and I couldn't find a county (I only looked at ten or so) without multiple errors where coordinates for communities or CDPs were shown for towns. Because the template calls for coordinates to be shown twice, the town is shown with two different coordinates. Another resulting shortcoming is factual content for communities being attributed to towns. Examples would include post offices described for 36 square mile towns and a photo of "downtown" for a 70 square mile town. A few articles are badly confounded. The names have caused a quality control issue and calling towns by a distinct name would help. Topeka Sam (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
As both a Wisconsin resident and someone who's worked on Wisconsin community articles for a while now, I still find the town thing confusing, but here are my thoughts. For towns that share a name with a city (e.g. the defunct town of Madison), they're always prefixed with "Town of" in practice to avoid confusion. For towns with unique names, it depends on the town. Larger towns are sometimes commonly referred to by their name without "Town of", like Grand Chute (recent news: [1] [2] [3]) while smaller towns are more inconsistent. For example, in Vienna in the Madison area, I got this mix of stories when looking at local news: [4] [5] [6]. That's one headline with "town of Vienna" vs. two with just "Vienna", but the ones with just "Vienna" are more local and still call it "town of Vienna" in the article itself. And of course, this might all vary depending on the conventions of any given news outlet, and some of the really small towns might not have much local news coverage to examine in the first place. So good luck making a consistent policy out of all that. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 01:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Milwaukee area stations tend to say the name of the place without distinction (unless reporting on municipal government), with the exception of the few where there is still a "Town of". So if the story is in the City of Brookfield, it will just say, "Brookfield"; but if it's in the remaining fragmented Town of Brookfield, and it's relevant that it is (police jurisdictions, etc.) the story will say "the Town of Brookfield". --Orange Mike | Talk 22:17, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Another option would be to reconsider what a town is. A political subdivision created primarily to provide road and trash collection services can't realistically be considered a "community."
Even if the term is adequate for some purpose, it is totally inadequate to inform and restrain your contributors.
A long month ago I picked Fond du Lac County (randomly) and looked at its towns. I quickly found three with two different coordinates. It was easy -- I just looked for similarly named villages, CDPs and unincorporated communities.
As I am addressing a group of motivated editors dedicated to this website, I must ask you not to correct these goofy errors for a while so everybody who really cares has a chance to look for themselves.
I hope this motivates someone to continue to troll me. I'm not wasting any more of my time, but I don't mind wasting yours. Topeka Sam (talk) 04:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't have strong opinions on the styleguide for the text of articles, I just do hope that the articles that are about the municipalities themselves are very clear about that. The MDS site from the Dept of Administration might be helpful. There was also a good discussion on Hawke666's Wikidata talk page about bringing some organization for this to the wikidata classifications for these items which might be relevant for the actual municipal governments vs just unincorporated places. Erik s paulson (talk) 01:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:George L. Waite

I would be glad to have some help with the draft on this Wisconsin photographer. Not sure on his middle name. Did he go by G. L. Waite given the time period? Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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