Talk:2018 Masters (snooker)

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Review: July 9, 2019. (Reviewed version).

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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:2018 Masters (snooker)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 20:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at this one, will post review as soon as possible. Kosack (talk) 20:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kosack, thanks for taking some time out and checking this one out. Let me know your feedback. I just did a quick copyedit on the article, as I realise I missed a few things - hope that's ok. Congratulations on the sysop bit, btw. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lee, yeah that's no problem, less for me to review! Thanks for that. Here's my initial review:

Lead[edit]

England is probably a bit of an WP:OVERLINK here and in the infobox.
- I always thought infobox links and things in the captions for pictures etc were exempt and should always be linked. No worries, I've removed from the text. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:38, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tournament summary[edit]

"A notable absentee was former Masters champion Neil Robertson", maybe point out he missed out by falling outside the top 16 (which is what I assume happened?)
- He actually had to fall out of the top 17. He was ranked at 20 in the world prior to this tournament. Ironically, had the event been held at any other time of the season, Robertson would have made the cut. I've made a slight rewording Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:39, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First round[edit]

"Playing in his first Masters tournament in eight years", was this sentence meant to be connected to the one before it?
- The one after. I've removed punctuation. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Kyren Wilson had his first victory in a Masters match", had seems a little clunky here I think. Secured, claimed or something similar perhaps?
- I've put claimed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All of the first round matches are mentioned here apart from Higgins/McGill. Is that deliberate?
- Nope, I'm not sure how I missed it. There's nothing in the MOS that states you have to mention every match (especially as other tournaments have 128 competitors), but I'll add a bit on it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good point but with only eight matches it seems odd to exclude one. Plus, Higgins features fairly often after that so it helps the time line I think. Kosack (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quarter-finals[edit]

Do we know what the crowd was doing to antagonise Allen so much?
- Just yelling. It's actually a surprisingly common thing. Nothing I can source, just that Allen was offput by some O'Sullivan fans. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:41, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, no worries. Kosack (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage[edit]

United Kingdom is another WP:OVERLINK.
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In the same way that you use broadcast rather than broadcasted, should it be simulcast rather than simulcasted?
- Broadcast and broadcasted, regardless of what anyone will say, are identically acceptable in UK English. I'll defer on the second, but I'll change. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Ref 22 is the Daily Star which is a bit questionable as a reliable source. Any chance of replacing that with something else?

Yeah, the information isn't particularly difficult to source. The BBC ref says the same thing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:53, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 35 runs afoul of WP:ALLCAPS so drop the title to normal case.

Worldsnooker.com does this all the time. Bane of my referencing. Fixed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:53, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that, the refs are formatted immaculately.

Nice article overall, very little to complain about. Placed on hold for now until the above issues are addressed. Kosack (talk) 10:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your quick review, Kosack, I've made most of the changes above, I hope this is suitable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:53, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work, I'm happy with the changes made and this article meets the necessary criteria for GA in my opinion. Happy to promote. Kosack (talk) 19:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]