Talk:2021 Championship League (ranking)

2021 Championship League (ranking) has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: August 25, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

Note: To watchlist this to-do list, click on "watch" at top right of this table. Watching the page it is transcluded on won't watch the to-do list.

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Dashes[edit]

Generally we use three different symbols for "dashes" i.e. - – − . We use the hyphen in text for phrases like "round-robin" and "best-of-five". We use the endash for ranges and frame scores like "3–2". We use the minus sign for negative numbers like "−2". The endash and minus sign do look similar but it is important to use the right one. Nigej (talk) 06:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. These can be confusing, and I understand why you might get it wrong. However, reverting against policy repeatedly is why I put page protection on this page. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:06, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:2021 Championship League (ranking)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Gonzo fan2007 (talk · contribs) 03:18, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this one. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 03:18, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments[edit]

In the prose parts of the article, you lower case groups, i.e. group E and group 9. Yet the sources appear to capitalize "group" and you capitalize group in the tables. Be consistent across the article.
- I was going to comment on this, but it does seem like sources do treat these as a proper noun. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the summary section, you have group eight but in the next section group 9, "eight" should be "8"
- Fixed Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
World number 115 won group 24,, is the reader supposed to know who this is? (sorry, I don't know snooker very well)
- Yeah,you are right - completely missed out the point! Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to the source, Anthony Hamilton scored 5 points in Group 1 during Stage 1 (you have 4)
- The source is wrong. It's impossible for him to have five points after losing a game. Per WP:CALC, it's been fixed to the correct result.Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you get the highest break data for inclusion in all the tables? The sources provided (at least to my eye) don't provide this.
- That's because the WST (organisers) decided to take down their very well made statistics page, and replace it with something that doesn't work. I'll provide archives. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your sources for Stage 2 and Stage 3 are for the wrong year. Also, you have no source for the final. It looks like you already have the right sources in the article (Ref 8, 13, 18). Please fix this.
- It was just the archive. This should be fixed now. I've added the cites for the final. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Refs 1, 26, 31 and 33 seem to be missing a lot of info. Why is this?
- Should be fixed now - although with the combination below, the numbers have changed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 27-30 seems to be missing info, like the website field and the access-date field. That said, a lot of web sources are missing the access-date fields.
- Website field is sorted on all, access-date isn't a specifically required item, but I've updated where I have seen it. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are sources 3 and 4 the exact same? If so, use the ref name function to join them together.
You have a number of duplicative references. Please use the "ref name" function in the reference tag to combine these.
- A quick refill seems to have solved this. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Spot checks: TBD (gonna hold off until you address the items above). Will be easier for me to spot check at that point.

Lee Vilenski, overall good article, but definitely needs some work in the reference department. Let me know when you have addressed the items above, especially the references, and I will then complete the spot check. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- Hi! looks like mostly 'cause I hadn't run IABot on this one, should be fixed now Gonzo fan2007.Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:44, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks. Will finish off the spot check in a few minutes. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Spot checks: 1, 2, 6, 8, 14, 19, 23
- Ref 8 says Group 7, while the article and table say Group 8. Is this an error in the source?
- Indeed. Eurosport doesn't usually make errors like this, but every other source says that it was group 8 that Williams was playing in. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Refs 21, 22, and 23 are dead to me. Are they working for you? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah those refs are live at the added archives. Let me change them to be |url-status=dead. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. Passing. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.