Talk:2022 Pacific typhoon season

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Locations of advisories[edit]

Tropical Weather Outlooks: ABPW10
Tropical Cyclone Advisories:
JMA: 01 // 02 // 03 // 04 // 05 // WWJP27
JTWC: 01 // 02 // 03 // 04 // 05
NWS Guam: 01 // 02 // 03
HKO: WTSS20 // WTPQ20
KMA: 01
ICAO: 01 // 02 // 03
Prognostic Reasonings:
JMA: 01 // 02 // 03 // 04 // 05
JTWC: 01 // 02 // 03 // 04 // 05 // TCFA 1 // TCFA 2 // TCFA 3
PAGASA: Severe Weather Bulletin // Tropical Cyclone Advisory // Typhoon Warning // Tropical Cyclone Index
Archives: CMA // HKO // SMG// JMA // JTWC // NOAA // TMD // KMA // PAGASA// NCHMF// IEM

RSMC Best Track Data[edit]

JMA (all tracks) // NOAA // WIS Portal

Name Date Released
2201.Malakas July 15
2202.Megi July 16
2203.Chaba October 5
2204.Aere October 6
2205.Songda October 7
2206.Trases November 1
2207.Mulan November 1
2208.Meari November 16
2209.Ma-on November 16
2210.Tokage November 20
2211.Hinnamnor November 24
2212.Muifa November 24
2213.Merbok November 25
2214.Nanmadol December 19
2215.Talas December 23
2216.Noru December 26
2217.Kulap January 4, 2023
2218.Roke January 4, 2023
2219.Sonca January 4, 2023
2220.Nesat January 4, 2023
2221.Haitang January 12, 2023
2222.Nalgae January 12, 2023
2223.Banyan January 17, 2023
2224.Yamaneko January 19, 2023
2225.Pakhar January 23, 2023

Draft:Tropical Storm Megi (2022)[edit]

Hi everyone, i made the Draft of Tropical Storm Megi. you are welcome to improve expand the draft. HurricaneEdgar 07:50, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will work on this when I find a slot in my busy schedule. Chlod (say hi!) 00:17, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Malakas - Very Strong Typhoon?[edit]

Hi everyone! I think by now the winds of Malakas are worthy of a Very Strong Typhoon. Should this be changed? 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 12:14, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NDRRMC reporting error for Megi[edit]

The earlier reports saying that the NDRRMC counts 224 deaths from Megi was caused by a reporting error. Please do not restore the 224 count unless included in an official situation report. Chlod (say hi!) 12:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ACE talk page[edit]

Should I begin a ACE calculations page (as a specialized archive) of the season (Just like the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific basins)? Thank you, Kayree kh (talk) 02:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, never mind. I saw the reasons for why the the other talk pages were deleted. Apologies, Kayree kh (talk) 03:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2022[edit]

Typhoon Chaba

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Chlod (say hi!) 01:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Typhoon Chaba (2022)[edit]

If anyone can help me with this draft, I'll be really apperceive. I'm working on the draft article as of right know but if anyone wants to help out please do. PopularGames (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Japan Meteorological Agency Tropical Disturbance Summary[edit]

So when the JMA marks a tropical depression with 30 knots in the disturbance summary, but doesn't give it a tropical cyclone number like "TC202205", the equivalent to a gale warning with advisories, it doesn't get included in the season effect chart as having an intensity? Grifforzer (talk)

Aere and Chaba pages[edit]

Aere and Chaba need pages. They caused damage and Chaba sunk a ship. They also lasted a while so i think they are notable. I know @PopularGames started a draft but it is incomplete. No draft on Aere though. 2601:547:4280:3020:9D9F:B5C6:BC01:C57F (talk) 21:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. Hurricane Su (talk) 19:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a decent article can be crafted for Chaba, especially given the sinking of the Fujing 001. But, if more noteworthy details cannot be gathered, then perhaps not. Regarding Aere, unless there was noteworthy impact from its landfall, the best way to present the storm to readers may well be in the 'Systems' section of this article rather than through a separate article. (WP:NOPAGE). Drdpw (talk) 21:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Drdpw Ok. I may make a Chaba page eventually. Hurricane Su (talk) 22:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Chaba sinking a ship is not enough to warrant an article. The information about the sinking ship can be written in its section on this article, and related terms can just redirect here. As for Aere, our fellow editors at the Japanese Wikipedia did not pick up on anything noteworthy enough to write an article on, just a landslide in Kōchi Prefecture — I don't see why we should have an article on it given the fact. Chlod (say hi!) 02:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree with your assessment Chlod. Aside from lacking a sentence or two about impact, Aere appears to be fully covered in this article. Regarding Chaba, the information about the storm in this article appears to fully cover it. Furthermore, the existing Chaba draft parrots the storm history and impact from this article without expansion or greater depth. Drdpw (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have helped fix @PopularGames's Draft for Chaba, but I realized I was working on it alone, and then I gave up. GDFilbert (talk) 01:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In Early August. GDFilbert (talk) 01:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have boldly redirected the draft to the "Typhoon Chaba (Caloy)" section of this article. Drdpw (talk) 20:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are we sure they can’t have articles? It’s very rare for a tropical cyclone that causes 12 deaths not to have an article. especially in 2022. 47.21.202.18 (talk) 18:10, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chaba's death toll[edit]

What happened to the other 13 people that was on the ship? Are they still missing? Mobius Gerig (talk) 02:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Tropical Storm Ma-on (2022)[edit]

Hello, I've improved this draft (Meteorological history and leads) Please feel to expand on the preparations and impact of the storm's. HurricaneEdgar 23:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Images and icons of the VSTY and VITY[edit]

Hello everybody. I ended up noticing that all types of cyclones have their respective images except 2: the very strong typhoon and the violent typhoon. In the default only "TC" appears but not the icon image. I created two especially for VITY and VSTY. I just wanted to know if I did the right thing when creating it, just to not get ugly. André L P Souza (talk) 03:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done adding a new icon in Module:Storm categories/icons. anyway, can you create a strong typhoon icon? -- HurricaneEdgar 04:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneEdgar I can, but I don't think there's any need. STY and TY are the same thing. It took me a lot of work to edit these photos because I did everything on my cell phone. Thank you so much for accepting. André L P Souza (talk) 05:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@HurricaneEdgar I sent there in the commons the STY. Hope you like it. André L P Souza (talk) 05:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is an issue. Can you change a STY to a Strong TY Because it will mislead the reader. STY referred by the media as Super Typhoon HurricaneEdgar 05:56, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@HurricaneEdgar I already asked to rename the file. I accidentally renamed the wrong photo file. André L P Souza (talk) 06:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Those are icon overrides. Addition should have been made to Module:Storm categories/categories, much like how icons are set for every other category. Chlod (say hi!) 10:47, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hinnamnor to enter PAR[edit]

If Hinnamnor entered PAR, possibly PAGASA will name Hinnamnor "Henry". If Hinnamnor entered PAR, please edit the page to include the Philippine name. e.g. Typhoon International Name (Philippine name) In this case, Typhoon Hinnamnor (Henry) Thehappygolucky (talk) 10:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We do this literally every time. Chlod (say hi!) 10:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring[edit]

@Daniel boxs: Is this really worth edit warring over? Would have just been easier to add it back in than remove the entire summary. Chlod (say hi!) 01:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

JMA Scale[edit]

I feel that we need to use Typhoon since the JMA does have it. https://www.data.jma.go.jp/multi/cyclone/cyclone_caplink.html?lang=en HurricaneEdgar 10:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hinnamnor draft[edit]

I've been working on a draft for the storm over here. I thought I'd add this here in case anyone wants to help. I added most of its met history and an opening paragraph. StopBoi (talk) 04:22, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article should be needed since it is expected to make landfall as one of the strongest typhoon in S.K. Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 07:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Cyclone 15 (TC202215)?[edit]

Hinnamnor was tropical cyclone 13. 13W was tropical cyclone 14. 14W is currently being called tropical cyclone 16 (TC202216) by Japan Meteorological Agency. We're missing a depression somehow. Grifforzer (talk) 08:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Grifforzer: Source? But either way this seems extremely false. The JMA only designates storms when they are tropical storms (By the JMA). As of this edit, 14W have became Muifa, which is JMA's Tropical Cyclone 13 (2213). Hinnamnor was 12. Typhoon2013 (talk) 00:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://imgur.com/J79VtW1 - Hinnamnor (TC id 13)
https://imgur.com/ODPrQ2m - this would be 13W BUFR message from JMA (TC id 14)
https://imgur.com/ZKdxFeg - Muifa (TC id 16)
If I'm reading these wrong, I'm sorry. Grifforzer (talk) 01:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
also the Japan Meteorological Agency website https://www.jma.go.jp/bosai/map.html#5/23.921/126.83/&elem=root&typhoon=TC2216&contents=typhoon addresses "typhoon=TC2216" or year 2022 and ID number of system 16. Grifforzer (talk) 02:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Grifforzer: The JMA website clearly states Muifa as "12" in their official site currently. The other sources you have provided is not really from a reliable site, but either way, the ID number of Hinnamnor clearly states "2211". Please follow reliable sources such as the JMA. Typhoon2013 (talk) 02:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
okay, I just wonder if we missed information from Welcome to Tokyo Global Information System Centre https://www.wis-jma.go.jp/d/o/RJTD/BUFR/Satellite(Himawari)/SAREP/ messages when it's "translated" into data. Grifforzer (talk) 03:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Grifforzer: That's alright. Just follow through the JMA website and all that. The JMA designates a TC when a system has become a TS by them (JMA designation wise). I hope that helps! :) Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, this is an identification number used internally by the JMA. The JMA uses an additional numbering system which includes 30-kt TDs. The following is included in the best track format:
BBBB 4 columns <International number ID> Last two digits of calendar year followed by 2-digit serial number ID of the storm of Tropical Storm (TS) intensity or greater
DDDD 4 columns <Tropical cyclone number ID> Serial number ID of the storm of intensity with maximum sustained wind speed of 28 kt (near gale) or greater
So, while the internationally recognized TC number is 2211 for Hinnamnor and 2212 for Muifa, the TC numbers 13 and 16, respectively, are used in the JMA as well. The reason we're missing TC 15 may be that it was not expected to develop into a named storm. The JMA issues TD forecasts only for those that have the potential to develop into a TS within 24 hours and have winds of 30 kt. --Weatherlover819 (talk) 04:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Supposed tropical depression.[edit]

Hello everyone at Wikiproject: Tropical Cyclones. I'm not sure, but it looks like the JMA has detected a tropical disturbance with 1006 hPa. Is it a depression or not? To prove it, here is the link: of the upposed tropical depression. André L P Souza (talk) 23:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC) André L P Souza (talk) 23:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@André L P Souza: The system or "developing low" with 1006 hPa is an extratropical low. No new TDs have formed as of now. The JMA would state there otherwise. Typhoon2013 (talk) 01:23, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
if the JMA state TROPICAL DEPRESSION 1006 HPA we can include on the article. HurricaneEdgar 13:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
[Developing/Developed] lows are all considered as extratropical systems by the Japan Meteorological Agency. Low-pressure areas (not "lows") are tropical systems but they are not treated as tropical cyclones. Only tropical depressions, tropical storms, severe tropical storms, and typhoons, are included.  🐱💬 07:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

Merbok Article?[edit]

Ex-Merbok is expected to deliver extreme impacts to Alaska like the 2011 Superstorm or even stronger. I feel like this deserves an article if the impacts are big enough. RandomInfinity17 (talk) 01:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think an article would be necessary if it were to bring rains Hurricane Su (talk) 13:42, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Impacts in Alaska were not all that extreme. A paragraph about Merbok's Alaska impact in Weather of 2022#September should be sufficient. I'd be willing to put it together. Drdpw (talk) 17:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Polillo Islands now Signal Number 4[edit]

PAGASA officially announced at 0:00 UST, 8:00 PHT that Polillo Islands now in Signal Number 4. PLEASE EDIT RIGHT AWAY. Thehappygolucky (talk) 00:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Calm down next time. Chlod (say hi!) 01:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request for Severe Tropical Storm Kulap[edit]

The "see more Detailed Information" tab under STS Kulap directs people to the Typhoon Noru bulletin links. Munchyhunch (talk) 04:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. Chlod (say hi!) 04:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Munchyhunch (talk) 04:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Depression 97W[edit]

Is the 25 September tropical depression actually Tropical Depression Luis (97W)? The Google Earth satellite has started tracking TD97W from 25 September instead of 27 September like currently being listed. Vinhson27 (talk) 03:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. You can check the weather map archives for JMA and see that the September 25 TD was way up north and dissipated shortly after. The current September 27 TD on the other hand, matches the same movement as analyzed by the JTWC in the TCFA for 97W and by PAGASA in their TCB #01 for Luis. Chlod (say hi!) 03:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Roke reached category 2 according to the JTWC[edit]

I made a small mistake on the bulletin, but the JTWC reported, and I saved, proof that Roke reached Category 2 with winds of 85 knots. Typhoon 20W (Roke) Warning #06 Issued 29/1500Z André L P Souza (talk) 13:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC) André L P Souza (talk) 13:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Tropical Storm Mulan (2022)[edit]

I started a draft for Mulan if anyone wants to expand. I am pretty busy so I haven't had much time to work on it but I gave it a little start. If anyone wants to help than thanks! Hurricane Chandler (talk) 23:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’d be willing to help Hurricane Su (talk) 00:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Colour scheme of Categories[edit]

How come is it that the colours for the categories of typhoons in the timeline in the summary tab are different to the categories of typhoons in the systems tab? For example, in the summary it shows Hinnamnor as purple, yet in the systems tab it shows it as red. I know there was a huge overhaul regarding the colour scheme for the different categories, has it not been implemented fully here? AnDeargMor (talk) 20:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus was to revert the color scheme back to the old colors. See discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather#RfC: Full-scale reversion HurricaneEdgar 11:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chaba and Sonca[edit]

I think Chaba and Sonca need an article now. I mean for Chaba >$400 million and the sinking of a ship probably is notable enough for an article. For Sonca, >60 million and 10 deaths. ~Hurricane Su (talk) 17:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Color scale issues[edit]

I am going to reiterate my concerns (raised elsewhere) here. The color scale used on this page (and other PTS articles) is harder to visually distinguish than the color scale used in every other basin, and ultimately, has no reason to be different from every other basin now that very strong and violent typhoon categories are used. Not to mention that despite being the hardest to distinguish color scale, the timeline has none of the accessibility features (category abbreviations after the storm names) seen in basins which use the more visually distinguishable scale! – atomic𓅊7732 04:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring[edit]

@Noru111344 and @Daniel boxs: Please discuss here regarding the content you are edit warring over. Do not make further edits or reverts unless resolved, no matter how correct you think your own version of the article is. You are both in violation of three-revert rule and may be blocked from editing should this disruption continue. Chlod (say hi!) 15:44, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Chlod I'm sorry if that's the case, I just want him to learn how to properly edit his summaries, so I always revert, but anyway, I hope next time your grammar and summary editing will be fine :) Daniel boxs (talk) 15:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

if we violate, we will just help each other in editing as he is wrong in Grammar and I will fix it for that, no more Violation :) Daniel boxs (talk) 15:50, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

why would you revert without summary 🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru 🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru (talk) 06:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft for Nalgae[edit]

I have a draft for Nalgae (Paeng) at Draft:Tropical Storm Nalgae (2022). GDFilbert03 (talk) 18:50, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Was your draft mistakenly moved to main space? It seems premature, needs more history, preparations and impact detail. Drdpw (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

whats with the odd descriptions[edit]

i've noticed recently that a editor in here (André) as been making some extremely odd and very strange (using bulletin instead of advisory/warning in all seasons, etc etc) descriptions for a all the storms its time we should rewrite those sections considering how very poorly written they are FleurDeOdile 02:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstate the Typhoon Chaba Draft?[edit]

Since it cause more than $400 Million dollars in damages should we make a another draft and remake it into a article? PopularGames (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we should. One for Sonca could be made too. Hurricane Chandler (talk) 23:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Chaba is definitely notable now. Hurricane Su (talk) 12:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to continue this discussion, seeing that, at some point, someone made an article for Typhoon Chaba. However, there was no expansion to what was in the season article. I expect this to be undone, but in anticipating that, I ask that whoever recreates the article for Chaba add more than what is in the section already? Otherwise, it is a content fork, and serves no purpose to the encyclopedia as a whole. Thanks. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Draft:Tropical Storm Yamaneko (2022)" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Draft:Tropical Storm Yamaneko (2022) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 4#Draft:Tropical Storm Yamaneko (2022) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. HurricaneEdgar 15:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PAGASA Consistency[edit]

I've noticed that there are inconsistencies in referring to PAGASA as simply "PAGASA" or "the PAGASA." Has there been a norm to referring to the agency as either one, or are both equally fine? I made an edit to the article to correct what I initially thought was an inconsistency, but upon looking at older season articles, it seems more or less random. Figured I'd check anyways here. Rosalina2427 (talk) 01:33, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosalina2427: "the PAGASA" is more grammatically correct, and is usually used by veteran editors. Plain usages of "PAGASA" mostly come from Filipino editors who treat "PAGASA" as a word (see wikt:pag-asa) rather than an acronym. Chlod (say hi!) 01:39, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Noted, I'll undo that part of my edit then. Thanks! Rosalina2427 (talk) 01:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2022[edit]

The 2022 Pacific Typhoon season is an ongoing cyclne season. 60.231.163.114 (talk) 22:56, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 23:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rosal was the first time after replaced Rosita[edit]

Rosal is here in today stay safe Coconuttree121 (talk) 03:06, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal[edit]

I propose merging Typhoon Nesat (2022) into 2022 Pacific typhoon season. I think the content in Typhoon Nesat can easily be explained in the section in 2022 Pacific typhoon season, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in the article. It may not pass WP:NWEATHER, especially since you can search Google’s news tab for “Typhoon Nesat” and set it to the last month. No news articles have been published within the last month mentioning the non-deadly and minimally impacting typhoon, so there is no lasting impact/coverage. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:48, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Elijahandskip: Good points; will you be opening a formal AFD/redirect discussion? Drdpw (talk) 23:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Drdpw: It shouldn't be necessary since this is a formal merge proposal, with a template on the top of Typhoon Nesat (2022). Elijahandskip (talk) 23:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, this doesn't really look necessary to have as its own article. Jamisonsupame (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey look what I found! 10 devastating extreme weather events in 2022 | News | Eco-Business | Asia Pacific SarikaHaimaParmaMolaveWelpring (talk) 19:23, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But it's the only thing mentioning Nesat published within the last thirty days... SarikaHaimaParmaMolaveWelpring (talk) 19:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The main reason why I created the article was because while the storm was active, I thought it would have more of an impact than what it actually did, especially because it was forecast to make landfall in Vietnam. SarikaHaimaParmaMolaveWelpring (talk) 19:25, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with the proposal to merge the article – no casualties, minimal impact and little media coverage. Drdpw (talk) 22:20, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also support merging unless someone expands the article enough to get rid of the “expand section” maintaince tags. 70.23.39.2 (talk) 18:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this in the article?[edit]

"On November 15, a low-pressure area and the Intertropical Convergence Zone brought flooding and heavy rain to the Philippines due to the combined effects of the weather systems. Landslides were said to have occurred in some parts of the Philippines. By November 18, extreme flooding was experienced in some parts of Mindanao. The Philippine Red Cross served hot meals to 1,691 displaced people due to the effects of the flood. Localities in Cotabato have also suspended classes. At least five casualties had occurred."


This is an article on the typhoon season, not some low pressure area causing flooding in the Philippines. If it was designated a depression by the JMA or PAGASA, that'd be different. But this is not a TC, and it has no business being in the season page. Infinity The Second (talk) 23:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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