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C Voter survey over a period of time[edit]

This screengrab shows the survey over a large period. It should be added. Venkat TL (talk) 11:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Survey and polls from unreliable sources[edit]

User:Diptyajit, I have remove unreliable sources and twitter polls by unreliable sources. See WP:REPUBLICTV for more. I have removed Jan Ki baat, Patriotic voter, Matrize, Republic as they are not reliable sources, but closely inline with a particular party's position. Please only refer to reliable newspapers as reference. Links to twitter and youtube should not be added as they are primary sources. It is unfortunate that User:ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ was blocked for rightly removing those unreliable sources. Venkat TL (talk) 07:51, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

thanks ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ (talk) 08:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL: ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ removed some references but did not remove the rest. He also didn't remove the findings of that survey. I am aware of the fact that Republic World is listed as a deprecated source but didn't know that their surveys are also not allowed. I added those links only to back the survey report but the survey was added by someone else. Diptyajit (talk) 09:33, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ok, now it is removed. We should only add reliable source. Venkat TL (talk) 09:45, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jan ki baat and Matrize came closest to the actual numbers. Ofcourse one can claim that Election commission numbers are not reliable and close to a certain party. sunny.......... 03:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

Candidate table[edit]

Since the size of the article had reached and exceeded 100KB (WP:SIZESPLIT), Material has been WP:SPLIT to List of candidates in the 2022 Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly election --Venkat TL (talk) 13:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping only a summary of Opinion Polls[edit]

In continuation of discussion above at #Survey and polls from unreliable sources

I have Removed the detailed Opinion poll data and only kept a short summary. Refer to the news article, ओपिनियन पोल इतना इतराते क्यों हैं:इनके 90% दावे गलत, फिर भी इतना हो-हल्ला; आइए ओपिनियन पोल की पोल-पट्टी खोलते हैं where Bhaskar newspaper has published a scathing survey of Opinion Polls and found them unreliable. No internationally reputed news paper has published the results of these opinion polls. In such cases it is not appropriate for Wikipedia to publish in details these polls. I believe a short summary of the latest Opinion poll is enough. --Venkat TL (talk) 11:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Skmiiita: Please feel free to add position statements of other parties on Opinion Polls. Dainik Bhaskar is a reliable site. 2 major polls are already included. No need to include 1 year old opinion polls from C Voter. Please discuss your concerns here on the talk page first. Venkat TL (talk) 15:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In past, multiple editors have removed the Opinion polls from this page, for similar reasons. Most recent example [1] Venkat TL (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Venkat TL: Keeping only last few months poll. This page is for UP Elections 2022, not for discussing validity of opinion polls. DB live is not an authentic source it is a Youtube channel. DB live does not mean Dainik Bhaskar. NDTV article is written by social media head of Congress Party. What is the need for adding 2017 article if you are asking me to remove polls which are just one year old. For every election in this world, there are predictions. Wikipedia already has separate page for Opinion Polling. You can add examples of validity and authenticity of opinion polls there. Skmiiita
Skmiiita Please only keep the most recent opinion polls. No News agency is publishing old opinion polls when they have the most recent ones. This page is discussing the Opinion Polls of UP election, in context of 2022 Election. It is entirely relevant to this page and should not be removed. DB live poll was added only after it was quoted by Dainik Bhaskar, a reliable source. Prior to this, they were not included. DB live poll should be restored as it shows the variation in the range of opinion polls. The reader should not get the wrong impression that all the Opinion polls were supporting BJP majority, because that is not the case. No comment by Congress party leader was added in the article. Only facts were used. --Venkat TL (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Venkat TL If you read article by Dainik Bhaskar, they have only used it as an example. DB Live is a Youtube Channel and cannot be used as reference. Polls from only prominent agencies like C-Voter, Axis My India etc should be added. Also, the section on the page is to show the predictions for 2022 Legislative Elections. If you want to add objections, you can create a new section or page and add it their. Anyway I have created a new subsection. Any comment by a political party cannot be included as proof as it will always be biased. It is their point of view. While many polls may be incorrect when it comes to seat projections, most of them show the vote share almost correct. --Skmiiita (talk) 16:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Skmiiita. Let me quote from the Dainik Bhaskar article
so clearly Dainik Bhaskar have published both C Voter and DB Live. Accordingly I had mentioned both of them in the Wikipedia article. Why are you only supporting CVoter and removing DB live. CVoter Directer, Yashwant Rao Deshmukh, is open supporter of BJP. CVoter is also a youtube channel. So if you are removing, you must remove CVoter also. If you remove all the Opinion polls, I will not object. Creating another page is a different matter, whether another page exists or not is not a reason to remove 2022 relevant material from this page. Regarding point of view, feel free to add other party comments too. Opinion Poll is also Opinion. "Most of them show vote share correct?" says who? please dont present your personal opinion as fact. Venkat TL (talk) 16:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Venkat TL If you go by this logic, then DB live is open supporter of all anti BJP parties. Have you ever watched their videos. I am not supporting C-Voter. It is just that they most often predict vote share correct even if seat share is way off. Is it my fault that all major survey agencies are predicting this poll. The same survey agencies predicted TMC victory in Bengal, DMK in Tamilnadu, Left in Kerala. I just can't understand, why you want to keep survey from DB Live which predicts SP victory, even though it is unreliable. --Skmiiita (talk) 16:58, 5 February 2022 , 5 February 2022
SkmiiitaI have never watched their videos, nor C Voter videos. Do I need to watch? I am not a fan of either of them. Here Dainik Bhaskar is the reliable source. Dainik Bhaskar found it relevant to report the poll of DB LIVE in their article. Since Dainik Bhaskar is the secondary reliable source, Wikipedia can quote the reference of Dainik Bhaskar. Please read WP:SECONDARY SOURCE. Look, in case it is not clear from my earlier comment. I am not supporting either of them. I am supporting Dainik Bhaskar. I am ok if you remove both CVoter and DB LIve. I am ok if you add both CVoter and DBLive, AS LONG AS you also keep the Dainik Bhaskar reference. I am not ok with removing DBLive and Keeping CVoter. I am not OK with removing CVoter and keeping DBLive. What works for goose also works for gander. If you read my last edit in the article, You will find that I had kept both CVoter and DBlive just as Dainik Bhaskar had mentioned in their article. But you only removed one of them and added older versions of CVoter poll. This is not appropriate, neither justified by any meeans. Venkat TL (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Venkat TL Dainik Bhaskar may be reliable but DB Live is not. In the past surveys by Zee News, NK Digital magazine, DB Live, Times Now, Navbharat Times, India TV, Republic TV has been removed as it was mentioned that they are not reliable. [Sources] Dainik Bhaskar has just mentioned them as one among many surveys to show that they can be unreliable. Just take example of Puducherry. All major surveys predicted NDA victory, which came out true. They have mentioned survey conducted by Axis My India for the same. However, they conducted exit poll not opinion poll. Exit polls are conducted after elections. Also, they never predicted 24 seats for Congress. Just check yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Puducherry_Legislative_Assembly_election. https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/story/axis-my-india-exit-polls-results-assembly-elections-bengal-assam-tamilnadu-kerala-puducherry-1796438-2021-04-29. You did not care to mention other 5 surveys but only DB live. Why? You just show me survey by Axis My India which gave 24 seats to Congress in Puducherry opinion poll for 2021 elections. What is not justified is adding wrong information. I don't have to do anything with any party. Today I added manifesto for Congress. When BJP releases its manifesto, I will add that too. --Skmiiita (talk) 17:44, 5 February 2022 , 5 February 2022
Before reading my reply, first read WP:PSTS. unless you read it you will not understand my reply. You are repeating fundamental fallacies again and again. We both agree that Dainik Bhaskar is reliable. So we are citing content from Dainik Bhaskar. As simple as that. I did not care to mention other surveys, because Dainik Bhaskar did not care to mention other surveys in their article in prose. Why do I care what Axis says? If a reliable source has published AXIS Poll for UP. Please bring it here and we can discuss that. --Venkat TL (talk) 20:27, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Venkat TL Dainik Bhaskar article is flawed. It says Axis My India gave 24 seats to Congress in Puducherry Opinion poll. However, Axis My India never conducts opinion poll, but only exit polls and they gave 20-24 seats to NDA not congress. I have already shared link. You share link where Axis My India gave 24 seats to Congress in Puducherry Opinion poll. --Skmiiita (talk) 08.15, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Skmiiita, dont waste time with irrelevant discussion. It does not matter because we are not reporting Puducherry. Why you have restored old CVoter polls again? Venkat TL (talk) 08:21, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I Removed disputed section as you are not allowing both polls and keep adding old polls. Dainik Bhaskar published a survey of past opinion polls and concluded that the opinion polls in India had failed to predict the correct election outcome more than 90% of the time and were unreliable. Please work on this thread to achieve a WP:CONSENSUS version. Once agree with a consensus version, we can then add it into the article. Dont force your preferred version without discussion, as that amounts to edit warring and is a blockable offence. Venkat TL (talk) 10:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Akashphougat27 Please read the thread and share your comments to reach a WP:CONSENSUS version. Do not add the section till a consensus version is reached. Venkat TL (talk) 12:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of opinion Polls[edit]

@Skmiiita in your most recent edit summary [2] What are you calling as unnecessary content? and Which source is unreliable? As far as I can see everything is relevant to UP election and reliably sourced to reputed newspapers. Edits cannot be reverted without proper reasons. Disruptive editors may be blocked from editing. Please explain your revert. Or it will be restored. Venkat TL (talk) 08:43, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on Opinion poll section addressed to the points mentioned by @Venkat TL[edit]

It was observed by me that in an edit you added opinion poll by an agency 'DB Live' which was not Dainik Bhaskar but you cited it as Dainik Bhaskar's article. When I edited it, you took the discussion in different way that according to an article by Dainik Bhaskar that 90% opinion polls are incorrect.This discussion should be made point wise:

  • coming on the sanctity of opinion polls and why every poll page on Wikipedia has a section of opinion polls, exit polls and result comparison

I say it again that that this phenomenon is not new, even exit polls of 2019 Australian elections proved to be wrong. Opinion polls are done and published to know which way the opinion of public is shaping. Kindly refer to any wiki article on any poll whether Indian or any other, Subsections include opinion poll then followed by exit polls and then followed by result for a comparative study that how events affected the election scenario and what were the calendar wise trends of a specific election. With due respect I request you to read any other poll-based article on Wikipedia.

  • Regarding the 'Dainik Bhaskar' article you've shared

The article is based on selective data and prejudices. I can discuss this with follwing points

    • Regarding UP polls 2017- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Uttar_Pradesh_Legislative_Assembly_election refer to this article, not one opinion poll was completely correct compared to results and even many exit polls were wrong in predicting this but still this section has not been removed because this is part of convention.
    • Bengal polls- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_West_Bengal_Legislative_Assembly_election Only one opinion poll predicted BJP to win election with 183 seats rest other polls projected TMC to win that election but the article you shared only picked that figure which shows prejudices and conservatism of author.
    • Puducherry polls- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Puducherry_Legislative_Assembly_election Not even a single opinion poll projected victory of UPA and Congress but the dainik bhaskar article cited an incorrect figure of 24 seats for congress.
    • Bihar elections- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Bihar_Legislative_Assembly_election Bihar election opinion polls showed a mixed response and this was all due to higher voting percentage of women in that election in favor of NDA which was not expected in exit polls and the same was analyzed by many pollsters through data provided by election commission. But still the data is published on the article to show the failure of opinion polls and exit polls in predicting or calling an election.
    • Irony is that you've objected in publishing opinion polls on Wikipedia but the article(dainik bhaskar) itself shares a screenshot from wiki article on up polls of opinion polls section this shows transparency of Wikipedia.
    • Lack of references in the article, strong language and absence of author's name pit suspicion on sanctity of article and appears to be opinion rather than being an informative analysis as opinion of only one political party's leader was added and no proof regarding sanctity of opinion polls was provided if they were influenced by money power.
  • The warning I got on my talk page that there is no rule of adding paid opinion polls on Wikipedia

There is not a single proof or evidence in public if the opinion polls are being influenced by any political or muscle power. It was your personal opinion that opinion polls are influenced and you were forcing your personal opinion on me threatening me of blocking my account but with due respect I ask you why every Wikipedia election based article across the world includes them? Kindly don't be selective towards data and be liberal towards each idea. With due regards I again request you to refer any other election article as reference how every poll-based election looks like and how comparative studies are important in future of an election too. Discussion should also be made on opinion poll section in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Punjab_Legislative_Assembly_election,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Goa_Legislative_Assembly_election,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Uttarakhand_Legislative_Assembly_election,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Manipur_Legislative_Assembly_election as these states are also going for elections, if consensus is made on up polls page parameters then it should also be applied on these articles too. I welcome discussion/criticism based on the points made by me as well as ask to restore the page as it was. By @Akashphougat27 User:Akashphougat27 — Preceding undated comment added 13:30, 6 February 2022

User:Akashphougat27 Thanks for commenting in detail. Please read the article below to understand the main concern points.
  • "Akhilesh Yadav Is Correct In Asking For Ban On Opinion Polls". NDTV.com. Retrieved 6 February 2022.
  • 'DB Live' is different from Dainik Bhaskar There is no confusion in this regard in anyone's mind. Dainik Bhaskar have referenced and reported on the Poll results of DBLive. DB Live is the primary source of the information. Dainik Bhaskar a reliable newspaper is the secondary source of the same information. Read WP:PSTS to understand the difference.
  • I know that there are pages on election with Opinion polls. The problem with the polls in this election are that they are wildly inaccurate and being reported to ECI.
  • 'Dainik Bhaskar' is a reliable newspaper.
  • There is no convention that Wikipedia has to report wild and inaccurate polls that have been disputed both by Political parties as well as national newspapers.
  • Bhaskar article have used Graphics of the polls in one table. The source of that information is not wikipedia but the respective polls. Wikipedia is not in the business of producing polls.
  • You were warned for not using the talk page for discussion and continuing the WP:EDITWAR.
  • Once you read the links I posted, we will continue our discussion. Thanks for your patience. Venkat TL (talk) 14:43, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL: Why you keep sharing that NDTV link, which is written by the head of social media of Congress party. It shows your prejudice. We have read all the links referenced by you. Most of them are flawed. I already gave you example of Puducherry. Dainik Bhaskar article contains false information based on opinion of the author. I can give examples of all other past polls from that article, how that is flawed and one single data from each election is used to justify that all of them are wrong. This is not done. We need to restore it to original tabular format. And based on few flawed articles you are declaring that all polls are wrong. This is nothing but extreme prejudice, enforcing one's opinion on others without discussion and threatening to block them if they do not agree to your terms. --Skmiiita (talk) 09:17, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why should these unreliable sources who were caught in sting video manipulating opinion polls, be added to the article? There is no original format as you are claiming. Please see WP:CONSENSUS Venkat TL (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the Opinion polls[edit]

Bahujan Samaj Party


- Venkat TL (talk) 15:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you intend to prove by quoting anti-opinion poll comments of BSP politicians. Politicians always support opinion polls when it shows them winning and question it's reliability when it shows them loosing. Opinion polls have always been displayed on Wikipedia's election pages, not sure why are you suddenly demanding it's removal. Do you have proof that these are paid polls? If you have a credible source that says C-voter/polstrat polls are paid, then they will be removed. GJ 06 (talk) 16:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is not just BSP. Opinion polls have breached all limits of decency and engaging in blatant propaganda. See below. I will add more sources Venkat TL (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:08, 6 February 2022
Samajwadi Party
Congress
Others

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Venkat TL (talk • contribs) 17:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does it matter if some political parties say that opinion polls need to be banned? Election Commission has not banned opinion poll, why should Wikipedia remove content that the Election Commission has not banned. furthermore the cited NDTV & National Herald articles are opinion pieces and can't be used as references to discredit opinion polls. I will again repeat my above question, do you have any substantive proof that these opinion polls are 'blatant propaganda/paid polls'? GJ 06 (talk) 17:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it matters. It shows that these polls are disputed. Election commission has suggested that the Pre election opinion polls should be banned.[1] Why should Wikipedia publish these unreliable opinion polls whose authenticity has been disputed. There was a Sting operation that exposed these poll agencies accepting money to manipulate polls. This further strengthens the case that Wikipedia should not report these polls. Venkat TL (talk) 07:47, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL Who are you to decide if polls are disputed? Political parties question whole election procedure after losing, it doesn't matter which party. So, should we delete all election pages just because few politicians question elections. In 1972, parties in opposition to Congress, blamed Indira Gandhi for manipulating ballot ink. Similarly, in 2009 after losing elections, BJP blamed EVMs are manipulated. Today politicians are demanding ban on EVMs. So, it is natural for politicians to questions. Here, we are adding predictions by major and generally reliable survey companies for a election. Every election page on wikipedia has such section where predictions are added. Whether, they are wrong or right is not to be discussed here. There is separate page for opinion poll. Election commision, Supreme Court nor any law has banned opinion polls. And if you are providing links of the wire, NDTV, national herald as proof, then you should look at their credibility. In my opinion, predictions of all major survey companies like c-voter, pmarq, axis my India should be added in tabular format, just like every other election. If you don't like the predictions then it is your problem. --Skmiiita (talk) 09:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Skmiiita, I am not deciding, I am pointing that they are already disputed, even by ECI that has recommended a ban. Rest of your comment is a very weak strawman argument and off topic. "Reliable survey company"? Reliable according to whom? Who are you to decide? What is your authority? They were caught on sting video taking money to manipulate the polls. See below. People who want to read their polls should visit their website. Wikipedia has no compulsions to help in spreading their propaganda. Venkat TL (talk) 09:22, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Manipulation of Opinion Poll: a sting operation by a news channel found that agencies (including CVoter) which conduct opinion polls before elections are willing to tweak their findings for money.[2][3] It included global giants like Ipsos and CVoter. After the expose, India Today Group suspended its CVoter contract.[4][5] Venkat TL (talk) 07:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Vij, Shivam. "As sting operation finds firms willing to tweak data, the case for regulating pre-election opinion polls". Scroll.in. Retrieved 7 February 2022.
  2. ^ "TV channel claims sting exposes opinion poll agencies". Hindustan Times. 25 February 2014. Retrieved 7 February 2022.
  3. ^ "Sting operation reveals massive manipulation by opinion poll agencies". The Economic Times. 26 February 2014. Retrieved 7 February 2022.
  4. ^ "India Today Group suspends CVoter poll following sting". LiveMint. 25 February 2014. Retrieved 6 April 2014.
  5. ^ S, Rukmini (February 26, 2014). "Pollsters ready to manipulate surveys for a price: TV report". The Hindu – via www.thehindu.com.
Election Commission of India (ECI)

"We have reminded the Union government a dozen times since we made our first request to ban opinion poll and exit poll surveys in 1997…Opinion polls influence unlettered and undecided voters. They can misguide young voters, too". The Election Commission (EC) of India cannot ban opinion polls ahead of elections; all it can do is remind the Union government about its long-pending request. Source
Venkat TL (talk) 10:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the removal of Opinion polls by @Venkat TL[edit]

@Venkat TLis removing opinion polling/predictions for UP elections based on a article of Dainik Bhaskar and other articles written by social media head of political parties and other similar sources, buy mostly on basis of Dainik Bhaskar article. Dainik Bhaskar article is flawed and contains wrong information, which shows the prejudice and biases of the author.

  • Puducherry Polls: Article mentions that Axis My India predicted 24 seats for Congress in their opinion polling. However, Axis My India has not done a single opinion poll for Puducherry elections and they conducted exit polls and gave 24 seats to NDA not Congress.
  • Bihar elections: In Bihar elections, they are mixing opinion polls with exit polls. They are quoting figures for exit polls and claiming it to be opinion polls. One can check here. 2020_Bihar_Legislative_Assembly_election
  • Bengal elections: Same, mixing exit polls with opinion polls. [[3]]

Not only this author has picked one poll from all the polls and used that to declare that all polls are incorrect. Take example of Bihar, even though they are exit polls, only Axis My India said Mahagathbandhan will get 139-161 seats. All other predicted close fight which came out true. How can a section be removed based on flawed articles and few comments from politicians and vested interests. Politicians call for ban on EVMs, question whole election procedure when they lose. Also, neither Election Commission nor Supreme Court, High Court nor Parliament or any authorised body has banned opinion polling. For every election in this world, there is a page, where predictions are added. They are just predictions, they can be wrong. If someone manipulates with final results or engage in conspiracy theory like EVM hacking then that should be removed. But predictions, from survey companies should not be removed. Venkat TL is constantly removing the opinion polls/predictions and adding what he likes. It has already been established that no polls from Youtube channels, Twitter should be added still he is insistent on adding polls from such sources. It seems he is trying to impose his POV on others. Anything which doesn't matches his opinions, he terms it as fake and unreliable and then justify it with dubious links. If you don't like the polls then it is your problem. Why are you deleting them for everyone? Wiki already has page for Opinion Polling. One can add their authenticity, reliability on that page. Under the section of opinion polls only predictions from major survey agencies should be added and nothing else. What is the problem of user @Venkat TL, if one wants to keep last one year polls.

  • Suggestion to incorporate all the views: Opinion polls in tabular format should be added from all the survey agencies for last 6 months like P Marq, Zee News, ABP-Cvoter, DB Live, Times Now or any other if it exists. That way this meaningless debate can be ended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skmiiita (talk • contribs) 10:03, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why should these unreliable sources who were caught in sting video manipulating opinion polls, be added to the article? Venkat TL (talk) 08:16, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My previous comment was construed as personal attack, while I was only trying to point out the hippocricy. So now I'd only like to point you to two very opposite edits by the same user.

Please draw your own conclusions. - Wikieditor4206946 (talk)

Three months ago, on this page, I was asking to add the same content here. see #C Voter survey over a period of time. Overtime after reading the reliable sources on thsi topic, I have updated my opinion. You can see my last few comments in threads above this to understand my position and the reason I gave for the position. --Venkat TL (talk) 08:56, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Its strange that on one hand he dissmisses opinion polls as unreliable but supports the same polls in Punjab elections.

Also he dismisess Indian media as not being free, and then uses sources from the same media to support his own views.

There should be a consistency in views.

Opinion polls should be allowed and they have been allowed on Wikipedia since i joined here years ago.

Suddenly one editor wants them removed. sunny.......... 21:26, 14 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

Election Commission of India (ECI)

"We have reminded the Union government a dozen times since we made our first request to ban opinion poll and exit poll surveys in 1997…Opinion polls influence unlettered and undecided voters. They can misguide young voters, too". The Election Commission (EC) of India cannot ban opinion polls ahead of elections; all it can do is remind the Union government about its long-pending request. Source
Venkat TL (talk) 06:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But opinion and exit polls are not banned and has never been banned. So whats the point of posting the views of ECI? Opinion and Exit polls are used all over the world.

Jan ki Baat exit polls were closest to the actual figure. sunny.......... 03:43, 12 March 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

Adding Opinion Polls[edit]

Opinion polls are just predictions and survey results. Removing them is ridiculous and an unwanted exercise. Surprising thing is that the Poll results are still prevalent in Punjab elections page. Looks like people are vandalizing the page by removing Predictions when the numbers do not meet their expectations. -Vijethnbharadwaj (talk) 18:08, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are several threads on this why are you creating new ones? Unfortunately these Indian Opinion polls do not pass the critera of being called a WP:RS reliable source. People running poll agencies were caught on sting video agreeing to manipulate the results for money. Even Election Commission of India have recomended banning them. What is the reason for adding these fake polls from unreliable source? If an internationally reputed polling agency does a poll, they can be added. We dont have them now. This is not Punjab page. Venkat TL (talk) 18:14, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Venkat TL, your position looks like original research to me. Because some problems have been reported, we can't unilaterally decide all polls are unreliable. Other editors support including them. Bondegezou (talk) 08:22, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All polls are not unrelaible. The ones that this user is trying to add are unreliable. And I have explained in detail in the threads above, why and how. Venkat TL (talk) 08:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are currently no polls in this article. If you accept some polls are reliable, can they be added? I note again that other editors support including more polls than you do. Bondegezou (talk) 08:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Internationally reputed pollsters like Nielson etc also conduct polls in India. If you can find a reliable poll worth their salt, you can propose them and work towards Consensus and inclusion. Godi media is not reliable. Not having a poll in the article is a better position than including unreliable manipulated polls to influence readers. Venkat TL (talk) 08:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You have removed polls by both ABP News-CVoter ("Godi media") and by Polstrat-NewsX. The former, you contend is not reliable because of a news article about a sting operation from 8 years ago. What's your evidence that they are unreliable today? My apologies if I've missed it, but what's your argument for removing the Polstrat-NewsX poll? Bondegezou (talk) 09:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The channel News-X is run by a politician and his son. Venkat TL (talk) 09:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just an info, opinion polls for US elections are usually all included, but some are indicated as Democratic or Republican-leaning by adding (D) or (R) and sometimes are paired with notes, eg. that the poll is sponsored by a candidate's campaign. I don't know how it works in India exactly – considering its parliamentary system, among others – but I think unreliable polls should be added with a note, especially if its unreliability is due to a conflict of interest in some way. —twotwofourtysix(My talk page and contributions) 10:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Twotwofourtysix In India they are biased in favour of the ruling party in the Federal govt. The intention is to influence the fence sitters into supporting the ruling party. And they are so brazen that they will claim 3% error rate while their results are off by 30%. Most of the polls done by Indian companies are scam. Only reputed ones are the international ones like Nielson etc who have a reputation to live up to. The reputed pollsters have not published results for UP. The opinion polls being discussed in this page fall in the category of "Paid news" and hence unreliable failing WP:RS. Venkat TL (talk) 16:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL: There seems to be pretty clear and nearly-unanimous consensus that these polls should be kept. The page version including them was the status quo until you removed them. They should be restored until the discussion is finished, if you are attempting to change this consensus. पदाति (talk) 09:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is no consensus to include these unreliable polls from Godi media sources. They do not fall under WP:RS criteria. Venkat TL (talk) 09:33, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not edit war. If you have an opinion against the points of objections I raised please discuss it on the talk page. Venkat TL (talk) 10:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why have you left up the opinion polls up at 2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election? --पदाति (talk) 10:27, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Vandalism and edits that are unsourced or poorly sourced can be removed anytime. Consensus is needed to restore them back. Please feel free to remove the opinion polls at Punjab. I have no objections if you do. Venkat TL (talk) 10:32, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think that it's unreliable there? Why did you only remove the polls here? And doesn't the fact that those polls report things badly for the BJP contradict your assertion that these polls are biased against the BJP? Those polls also predicted a TMC victory in Bengal last year, another election which was hotly contested. Frankly, your assertion that they are unreliable based on the fact that there was a sting operation many years ago is WP:OR. Maybe, if you want, and could provide better & more relevant sources, we could include some sort of bias warning, but we shouldn't omit the results altogether. --पदाति (talk) 10:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Look I am not alone in saying they are unreliable. Election Commission of India and many others (list above) have said that they are unreliable. ECI has asked a dozen times to ban them. BIAS warning is not practical. Moreover ECI is not asking to give BIAS disclaimer, although it could ask. ECI along with many others are asking for an outright ban. Venkat TL (talk) 10:49, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An exit poll is different from an opinion poll. --पदाति (talk) 02:45, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Election Commission of India (ECI)
"We have reminded the Union government a dozen times since we made our first request to ban opinion poll and exit poll surveys in 1997…Opinion polls influence unlettered and undecided voters. They can misguide young voters, too". The Election Commission (EC) of India cannot ban opinion polls ahead of elections; all it can do is remind the Union government about its long-pending request. Source
Venkat TL (talk) 06:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I might want to add, despite what ECI or GoI says or bans, WP is not censored. If reliable sources publish them, we add them. If they don't, we don't. — DaxServer (t · c) 09:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL: This quote has nothing to do with whether or not they're reliable. --पदाति (talk) 09:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Godi media is not reliable for politics. You wrote "An exit poll is different from an opinion poll", What was this random statement about? where is the head and tail of this statement? I agree that they have some difference but what is the point of your post? Venkat TL (talk) 10:58, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was clarifying that only exit polls seem to be banned, since you didn't seem to realize the difference. You can't just throw around accusations of the polls being biased towards the government without backing it up. As far as I can tell, their polls seem to have been decently accurate in the past, even when going against the BJP government. Even if they are biased, that's not grounds to remove them - that bias should just be noted. And, again, the ECI didn't actually say that they're biased. --पदाति (talk) 12:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did you miss the bolded text? Election Commission of India (ECI)"We have reminded the Union government a dozen times since we made our first request to ban opinion poll and exit poll surveys in 1997…Opinion polls influence unlettered and undecided voters. They can misguide young voters, too". The Election Commission (EC) of India cannot ban opinion polls ahead of elections; all it can do is remind the Union government about its long-pending request. Source. --Venkat TL (talk) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you read the quote, you see that opinion polls haven't actually been banned. Anyway, it doesn't matter whether they're banned or not, because wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED --पदाति (talk) 12:46, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
what you are saying, is not enough reason to add unreliable source and content from unreliable source into the aritcle. Venkat TL (talk) 12:34, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't shown that the source is unreliable, and looking at past elections, they don't seem to have been particularly unreliable. Maybe someone can do statistical analysis on the difference between their polling and the actual results and see if there's any bias, but you haven't provided any. --पदाति (talk) 12:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Godi media is not categorically unreliable. Some of them including, but not limited to, Republic TV, OpIndia are unreliable. — DaxServer (t · c) 12:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will let the sources do the talking.
"ABP News invents 'research' to praise Modi. BJP's Amit Malviya amplifies the fake news". Newslaundry. Retrieved 17 February 2022. Venkat TL (talk) 16:43, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion polls should not be removed. FofS&E (talk) 19:16, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should AAP be retained?[edit]

AAP is covered extensively in this article, but they dont seem to have any impact at all in the elections. Should those sections be removed? It seems to be unnecessary information for this page. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No it cannot be removed. Their electoral performance does not undo the fact that they were considered a major party in the election by Media. See Talk:2022_Uttar_Pradesh_Legislative_Assembly_election/Archive_1#AAP. Information about a major party in an election is not unnecessary. It is mandatory. --Venkat TL (talk) 19:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Which of those reports called it a major party? Or is that your personal inference? As I see it, getting fewer votes than NOTA (None Of The Above), with AAP getting 0.38% votes and 0 seats, it can hardly be called a major party. Giving AAP as much coverage as it is given here, often eclipsing that to INC, BJP, SP is not a balanced approach. If you do want to keep the sections, it needs to be trimmed considerably. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 20:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The significant coverage proves it is a major party. AAP had won 64 seats in the UP Panchayat elections. "UP Panchayat Elections: AAP Wins One Seat Each in Varanasi, Gorakhpur; AIMIM Raises its Graph". News18. 6 May 2021. Retrieved 10 February 2022.. Who is preventing you to expand other parties? The article needs lot of work. The reason given by you is not justified to remove reliably sourced content entirely relevant to this article. Take your biases elsewhere. --Venkat TL (talk) 07:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As for the coverage, AAP has gotten far, far less coverage than other parties. Coverage is grounds for inclusion, but it does need trimming, by a lot. 64 out of over 3000 in panchayat elections is not a major party either (Note the fact that panchayat seats are won with the "backing" of political parties, but none of them are actual members of any party. In the previous election, independent candidates have won the most number of seats, further highlighting how disconnected panchayat elections are with the state elections). I will also remind you that if you are going to be that aggressive and non constructive, throwing around loaded terms like "bias", I doubt there can be any collaboration here.Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 11:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The tenses need to be changed[edit]

Since the election is over now. Was and were should be used in the opening paragraph of the article. 106.77.79.144 (talk) 02:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Map for Kanpur[edit]

213 Arya Nagar seat is won by Amitabh Bajpei of Samajwadi Party

Wrong data in Up map showing colour of party winning the mla seat.[edit]

Ac. No.- 370 366 375 368 and many more seats are wrongly shown. Plzz administrator plzz correct it with latest available data. Or it will lead to misinformation Ashutosh singh 761980 (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Plzz update the map which is showing wrong party colour .That are AC.No.106 220 267 366 368 370 375. 

Ashutosh singh 761980 (talk) 10:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ashutosh singh 761980 There is no administrator here. what is wrong? what is the right colour? Venkat TL (talk) 19:46, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sir. In the map of UP showing party colours of the party which won the assembly seat. But 7 seats are showing wrong colour which means wrong party is being shown which has won that seat so I request you to change it.106&366 are won by bjp. 220,267,368&375 won by sp and 370 won by Nishad party. Ashutosh singh 761980 (talk) 04:18, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ashutosh singh 761980 Image creator has been informed. See update on Talk page Venkat TL (talk) 14:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot sir. It feels honoured when there is someone to act on your suggestions. I will work with more power Ashutosh singh 761980 (talk) 18:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ashutosh singh 761980 No problem. It seems you caused a mistake. 370 seems to be won by Apna Dal (Soneylal). But based on your request it has been changed to NISHAD. Please check the results page, link below and check the image once again. Also check if your other requests have been made correctly.
106, Jalesar = bjp
366 Jaunpur = BJP
220: Kalpi = SP
267
368
375
370 : Apna Dal (Soneylal) Venkat TL (talk) 19:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sir. 370 is with apna dal (soney lal) plzz make it blue. It's currently showing sp colour not nishad party. Ashutosh singh 761980 (talk) 19:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ashutosh singh 761980 Ok requested from Furfur. Thank you for checking it and requesting the change on the talk page. Venkat TL (talk) 19:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you sir. I assure you I will never repeat this mistake again. Ashutosh singh 761980 (talk) 19:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding update of Uttar pradesh assembly election 2022 page[edit]

Plzz administrator update the page with latest available data. And correct some wrong information in it Ashutosh singh 761980 (talk) 22:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unsanitized HTML in table of contents[edit]

The button for National Democratic Alliance in the Table of Contents seems to show some unsanitized HTML when viewed on mobile. Billert12 (talk) 23:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Billert12 what are you seeing? looks good to me. Venkat TL (talk) 10:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On my S22 Ultra, it shows: ".mw-parser-output.legend{page -break-inside:avoid;break-inside: avoid-column).mw-parser-outpu t.legend-color{display:inline-blo ck;min-width:1.25em;height:1.2 5em;line-height:1.25;margin:1px 0;text-align:center;border:1px solid black;background-color:tra nsparent;color:black).mw-parse r-output .legend-text National Democratic Alliance" Billert12 (talk) 19:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Billert12 out of curiosity, I checked it on my phone and I can see it is opening just fine. No such error. You can use a different browser to see if it gets fixed. Another thing you can do is try to click the Desktop view option at the bottom of the page. Venkat TL (talk) 19:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apna dal{ kamerawadi} vote share[edit]

Apna dal{ k} was in alliance with SP+ and it received a total of 0.3 percent votes in the election. However, it has not been added to the result/ alliance. The total vote share of SP+ thus is 36.62 and not 36.32. Thank you. 180.94.33.117 (talk) 12:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion[edit]

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Numbers missing[edit]

I have noticed that the numbers of valid votes, invalid votes, etc. are missing in the result section. Kindly add it. AshuTri912 (talk) 16:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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